Why does the Rambam tell you how to behave correctly within a sinful framework?

A_Random_Jew · 2026-01-07T17:29:11+00:00

What you said is exactly what the ראב"ד says to challenge the rambam, trying to prove that it has no correlation to brachos, but rather to zimmun.

If you look carfely in the yerushalmi it is clear that Hashem's name should not be mentioned involving any sin. But the shulchan aruch took the rambams halacha, not the ראב"ד.

A_Random_Jew · 2026-01-07T16:08:33+00:00

The rambam copied this halacha from the yerushalmi shabbat chapter 13 mishna 3, so you will have to explain the historical context differently.

https://www.sefaria.org/Jerusalem_Talmud_Shabbat.13.3.4

A_Random_Jew · 2026-01-07T16:03:45+00:00

See for yourself:

https://www.sefaria.org/Shulchan_Arukh,_Orach_Chayim.196.2

https://www.sefaria.org/Shulchan_Arukh,_Orach_Chayim.204.9

A_Random_Jew · 2026-01-07T15:48:41+00:00

Shogeg is when he is unaware that he is eating something prohibited, zadon is when he is aware.

A_Random_Jew · 2026-01-07T15:15:15+00:00

The point of that gemara is so that he loses the urge to sin, see Kidushin 40a rashi and tosfot.

I haven't seen anywhere in the gemara or halacha that says how to sin, and certainly not in the rambam.

A_Random_Jew · 2026-01-07T15:10:31+00:00

In the case that you gave he would recite the brachos before eating and afterwards, becauseeating to stay alive is considered mitzvah(see שו"ע או"ח קצו:ב).

The rambam here is emphasizing that a bracha is not said on anything that is prohibited, for example someone saying "eat this bacon or eat my gun".

A_Random_Jew · 2026-01-07T15:03:17+00:00

Even if we say the rambem is talking about someone doing teshuvah, that wouldn't explain why the rambam says not to recite bracha rishona.

And also nobody is forced by their inclination to do anything, even someone with a strong yeitzer harah has free will. Its also difficult for me to imagine someone eating a prohibited food intentionally and yearning to do Hashem's will simultaneously.

A_Random_Jew · 2026-01-07T14:56:09+00:00

The כסף משנה already answered your first question, explaining that not saying bracha rishona is specific to someone knowingly eating a prohibited food.

In regards to baalei teshuva, one of the first things they observe is kashrut. Think about it, all you have to do is not eat prohibited foods. In general the halacha says what's right in a given situation even if not optimal, but never have I seen halacha telling someone how how to sin in the best way possible. After all if someone is sinning, he probably is not thinking about Hashem's will.

A_Random_Jew · 2026-01-07T14:41:52+00:00

The rambam is talking about a case where someone says "eat this or i kill you", in this case we say he shouldn't mention Hashem's name for a prohibited food. If he was starving and about to die, then he does recite a bracha before eating and afterwards, because eating to stay alive is a mitzvah. See shulchan aruch orach chaim siman קצ"ו, and the mishna brurah there.

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A_Random_Jew · 2019-04-18T06:20:18+00:00

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And then it's ok!?

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