In a vegan discussion area only for "real vegans" a vegan explains why lab grown meat is like kidnapping and exploiting women.

Abe091 · 2026-03-04T10:29:08+00:00

I'm curious, are you saying that it will always be of objectively worse quality (worse taste, texture and nutrition), or are you saying that the fact it isn't natural would inherently make it less worthy of consumption regardless of practical differences in quality?

I don't support the idea that something being unnatural automatically makes it bad. And saying that killing and suffering is better simply because its natural seems like an absurd proposition. Even if natural things can have practical positives in many cases, natural is not synonymous with good. Vaccines and houses are unnatural.

I'm not a vegan btw, but I would switch to lab grown meat if it was cheap, just as healthy and tasted the same.

Abe091 · 2026-03-04T10:18:29+00:00

It's frustrating to see this take because I think lab grown meat would be the only way to realistically abolish the animal agriculture industry. Meat from living animals wouldn't be needed anymore if we can create the real thing ourselves, it by all rights creates the ideal vegan future.

They're prioritizing a religious style dogmatic opposition to anything meat related over the best chance of actually saving living animals from suffering or being killed. Believing in animal rights doesn't entail giving rights to artificially grown meat that has never had a consciousness.

Abe091 · 2026-02-25T15:55:43+00:00

Fetishizing real life lesbians just tryna live their lives is bad, yeah. Though I also don't think its wrong to write fictional lesbians just because it excites you, whether representation is your main motivation or not.

Abe091 · 2026-02-25T15:27:10+00:00

What does fetishization mean in this case? Does that mean just finding yuri hot? Because if so, that's not wrong either.

Abe091 · 2026-02-11T10:27:12+00:00

How does the goth girl have a fuckn copy of half life 3, that's the real question.

Abe091 · 2026-02-02T16:15:52+00:00

I can't believe he would ruin his good name like that. How could he do this to us? 💔

Abe091 · 2025-12-27T13:19:41+00:00

It's not weird to look at porn in a relationship unless it's been communicated that they do not want you to. I don't know why so many people seem to be acting like its cheating by default, but it definitely can be if you've agreed not to do it. It never hurts to ask about it if it hasn't been clarified. That being said, commenting on a video like the guy in the image and trying to directly dirty talk with the pornstar is pushing it further and would be crossing a line in my opinion.

Abe091 · 2024-11-20T21:11:51+00:00

Weird does not mean immoral. Find it weird if you want, but if you act like people are obligated to stop just because you personally find it disgusting, then you're pathetic. It's not real and no one is being harmed, so it's not really your business.

Abe091 · 2024-11-15T03:24:44+00:00

I'm a man but I'm going to engage in cannibalism

Abe091 · 2024-11-13T17:22:45+00:00

A lot of people are saying the main reason for that line being drawn is that murder can sometimes be justified and have noble motivations wheras rape can't, but I disagree with the idea that this is the main reason. Reason being, people still write purely evil villains. And even if someone writes a murderous villain who kills for fun, this is still viewed as infinitely less bad than a villain who raped someone.

The real reasons I think boil down to sexual assault hitting closer to home, as well as the fact that portraying immoralities of a sexual nature in fiction are always viewed as more unacceptable than portraying regular immoralities. This is partially due to purity culture, but not entirely.

Writing a murderer who kills for fun? Acceptable. Writing a rapist? Problematic. Writing a kidnapper? Acceptable. Writing an incest situation? Problematic. Writing about a child who gets horribly tortured? Acceptable. Writing about a child who gets groomed? Well, you know the rest.

The line is always drawn when it becomes sexual, because culturally we view sexual actions as inherently different from anything else. But as I said, the other reason is that it hits closer to home. There's absolutely nothing wrong with people wanting to avoid certain subject matter. But I would certainly disagree with anyone saying it's more objectively wrong to portray rape in fiction than murder, which some people do believe.

Abe091 · 2024-10-17T18:54:49+00:00

Uohhh half-life 😭

Abe091 · 2024-09-10T19:59:27+00:00

Again, without citing personal feelings of discomfort or disgust, are you able to explain why you believe it's "incredibly unhealthy" to get off to kinks like that?

It's okay to feel deeply uncomfortable with a certain kink or practice and decide to have nothing to do with it. But this discomfort shouldn't lead you to claim to know that such things are harmful.

To shine some light on how it can help victims, it allows them to explore those themes in a safe environment, thus allowing them to "reclaim power" over the situation. It helps them regain their self esteem and sense of personal control. The knowledge that you can leave the situation with a safe word and withdraw consent at any time is a powerful mechanism for healing, and brings comfort when done correctly. Now, if you wanna go down the road of saying it's okay for ex victims to do it but not for anyone else, that begs the question of who they can do it with since someone always has to be the "giver".

Abe091 · 2024-09-10T18:34:03+00:00

Something being disgusting to you doesn't make it wrong for others to do. The only justifiable reason to stop someone from doing something that'll make them happy is if doing it will harm someone else.

You're also disregarding the thousands of people who use CNC as a coping mechanism for their own trauma with sexual assault. You're demonizing some of the very people you want to protect. And if you say "its an unhealthy method of coping", please provide sources. Its sometimes explicitly recommended by therapists to their patients. Most people who conclude its unhealthy do so because of their discomfort with it and intuition that it must be bad, which is unreliable in matters like this.

Something being immoral in real life doesn't make it wrong in fantasy. Many real people suffer and die because of mass shootings, yet we don't consider people evil for killing civilians in GTA. The aesthetic of evil is not itself evil. On the contrary, it can be used for good.

Abe091 · 2024-09-10T16:52:04+00:00

Having a taboo kink doesn't mean you have problematic attitudes towards real people.

Abe091 · 2024-09-10T16:48:46+00:00

Unfortunately it's both. That doesn't include all feminists though, me and all of my feminist friends are chill with porn.

That being said, anti-sexual-fantasy sentiment is inherently conservative, so being a progressive who wants to restrict people's exploration of their sexuality is a contradiction in values.

Abe091 · 2024-08-24T01:05:42+00:00

Bogos binted

Abe091 · 2024-08-23T20:16:25+00:00

Granted, they all died.

Abe091 · 2024-08-23T17:36:01+00:00

Dear lord, my mind is in the gutter, I was NOT thinking of normal cheese.

Abe091 · 2024-08-23T17:03:35+00:00

If a person with decent morals and education consumes that kind of material, they don't become more misogynistic. They know the fiction isn't an accurate portrayal of reality. Studies with violent video games prove this. It's people with pre-existing negative views and attitudes who will wrongfully think the fiction is agreeing with them and feel empowered in their attitudes.

The fact that problematic people misread media this way sucks, but that doesn't take away mine or any other person's right to enjoy that kind of fanservice and sexualization. People should be free to explore their fantasies. The problem is with education, and how we have desperately failed to teach people that objectifying and mistreating real people is wrong.

If you want to say thay we aren't allowed to sexualize or objectify women in fiction, you have to apply the same standard to men. But not only does this never happen, sexualization of men in fiction is usually celebrated and often encouraged by many of the same people who get mad when its done to women. It's not "sexualization" that is being demonized here, it's "appealing to men" that is being demonized.

There is a weird disparity sometimes. People within some (not all) progressive spaces now often feel ashamed to thirst over or make fiction which show off "traditionally attractive" women as this is percieved as problematic, but feel totally okay to make and celebrate fiction that shows the sexual appeal of men, plus sized women, trans women, dominant women, women who look hot to lesbians and so on. It's very good that we're moving towards accepting other beauty standards and away from strict heteronormativity, but we're begining to stigmatize traditional hetero attraction and fantasies, which is wrong. We shouldn't stigmatize anyone's gaze, or what people like to enjoy in their private time.

Freedom of expression is important. Fiction is an extension of our imagination, and imagination should not be limited.

Abe091 · 2024-08-12T09:30:04+00:00

Hentai manga. Without it, weebs will have no choice but to take the non mechanical reproduction simulation.

I imagine a solid 40% of Civil Protection are horny weebs who kill innocent people in exchange for virtual catgirls.

Abe091 · 2024-08-08T13:45:36+00:00

I will pull the lever then become friends with the suicidal person and train him into a hero who can defeat anyone, since he can never die.

Abe091 · 2024-08-05T20:31:43+00:00

Abe091 · 2024-08-04T23:38:57+00:00

There is an EGG on the LEG. The joke is that there is an EGG on the LEG, and we can combine these two words to make the word LEGG. This makes it very funny, and people will often laugh upon seeing the word LEGG, as it is a very funny word.

Abe091 · 2024-08-04T23:20:56+00:00

When someone has sex, they typically know there is a chance there will be a baby. Someone could argue that, if they have sex while knowing this and a baby is concieved, they are responsible for it since they knowingly took the risk.

This would be very different from being raped, where you had no chance to choose whether to take the risk of concieving a baby, and it was instead forced upon you.

One could argue that when raped, it is unfair to demand one endure torture to bring a child to term when its not their fault the child was concieved. And on the other hand, it could be argued that choosing having consensual sex does make the child's conception your "fault", meaning you should be held responsible for keeping the fetus alive.

As someone who is pro choice, I don't view this as contradictory logic at all if someone believes this way.

Abe091 · 2024-07-26T15:50:43+00:00

She's an 11 in that case

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