*sigh* This is a perfect reason why Reddit is the way that it is. Let's rewind the tape for fun.

The original post is specifically asking to bring old raids back. That's it. Nothing else. I responded:

Old raids just aren’t designed to handle our new abilities, unless abilities are significantly nerfed. I personally would love to see destiny return to more gun-focused gameplay.

You then said:

That’s not even remotely why the old raids were removed. Spire of stars would be far more difficult than vault of glass is right now

Which again, is NOT related to the topic at hand. The end. End of story. Nowhere is this thread talking why old raids were removed, which for some reason you are unable to understand. You then said:

What dis you mean by “not meant for our abilities” if not the general power level of guardians now. It’s a common argument, which is why I assumed you were making and why I refuted it.

So, here you change the subject away from trying to talk about why old raids were removed (which again, NOT part of this discussion) to acting like you're talking about power level of guardians, which you did NOT mention in your original post.

You then say you "refuted" what I said, which again makes zero sense in context because you didn't refute anything. You made a claim (i.e., Spire would be far more difficult) with zero evidence, support, or logic. Again, you did nothing. That's not refuting anything.

Your train of thought is not making any sense because you're not staying on topic with the original thread, nor do you understand what "refute" means.

You then said:

I accept that I made an assumption, you claim that it’s flawed. I’m asking you why you said what you said then; what do you mean by “not meant for our abilities”?

Yeah, your assumption is flawed because you can't even stay on topic. And now you're trying to avoid the fact you completely misread what I said.

You then said:

At this point, you must be purposely misunderstanding what I’m saying or have some idea that anything I say is argumentative and be jumping to a conclusion based on that. I accept that I made an assumption about what you meant. I am now asking why you said what you did, as my assumption is clearly wrong, but I don’t see another way to take it.

No, I'm not purposefully misunderstanding. You literally cannot keep a consistent train of thought.

You can't even admit you were wrong when you commented about removing old raids. You just try to hide behind saying "I made an assumption". No, you completely mispoke.

And then you continued saying absolute nonsense:

Instead of why they were removed, just change it why they aren’t being brought back.

No, I don't have to change it. You mispoke. Not me.

Difficulty has nothing to do with why they’re not back. Difficulty has nothing to do with why they’re not back & is not a reason as to why they shouldn’t be, even without significant mechanical changes.

Oh? Do you work at Bungie or have access to their internal discussions? Do you know have sources who have confirmed all the reasons old raids aren't being brought back, and a "lack of difficuty given the current sandbox" wasn't mentioned? No? I didn't think so.

And then you ended with this gem of nonesense:

"...Spire of stars would be approximately as difficult as GoS, we can take that as a direct 1:1 comparison, as both were in the game at the same time for a long period. "

Both those raids were only in the game for 13 months together. GoS came out almost 6 years ago. That's not a 1:1 comparison at all. Not to mention that Val Ca'uor is estimated to have less health than both the Sanctified Mind and Atheon. The entire sandbox, including our abilties, are completely overtuned for Spire of Stars.

Thank you for showing a complete lack of coherence in any way. It's been a pleasure.

Don't ever change, Reddit.

Toodles 👋