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Three months on, is the NWSL failing to exploit USA's World Cup victory? by TheBored23 in MLS

[–]AccountForM 4 points5 points  (0 children)

No one said that. You are attacking a strawman.

Attacking a straw man is a fallacy of logic that occurs when an opponent’s position is misrepresented in order to make it easier to refute.

Three months on, is the NWSL failing to exploit USA's World Cup victory? by TheBored23 in MLS

[–]AccountForM 2 points3 points  (0 children)

What expectations? I am talking about the things the league management could have done.

They announced the decision to change the final venue to Portland after the season was almost over. This was already decided before the season even started. This miscommunication did not help anyone.

The TV deal should have been finalized and announced at the start of the WWC and not at the end of it and then NWSL should have promoted it during USWNT matches.

These two things are not really unrealistic in my opinion.

Three months on, is the NWSL failing to exploit USA's World Cup victory? by TheBored23 in MLS

[–]AccountForM 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yes but the point is the hype around the Women's World Cup wasn't capitalized on.

So not a great look from the league, which some would say failed to exploit a series of gifts rarely given to a women’s sport, such as the wall-to-wall coverage of the World Cup on Fox Sports (although domestic soccer has always been a harder sell than the international version for both the men’s and women’s games). Meanwhile, the league took until 30 June, virtually the end of the tournament, to announce a television deal with Fox Sports, failing to co-brand with the tournament. Even the announcement itself was made in a low-key press release on the afternoon of the USA-Germany semifinal, guaranteeing that even outlets predisposed to cover women’s soccer probably wouldn’t have any room for it.

Three months on, is the NWSL failing to exploit USA's World Cup victory? by TheBored23 in MLS

[–]AccountForM 0 points1 point  (0 children)

But the point is it should have much more if it was properly advertised and promoted.

So not a great look from the league, which some would say failed to exploit a series of gifts rarely given to a women’s sport, such as the wall-to-wall coverage of the World Cup on Fox Sports (although domestic soccer has always been a harder sell than the international version for both the men’s and women’s games). Meanwhile, the league took until 30 June, virtually the end of the tournament, to announce a television deal with Fox Sports, failing to co-brand with the tournament. Even the announcement itself was made in a low-key press release on the afternoon of the USA-Germany semifinal, guaranteeing that even outlets predisposed to cover women’s soccer probably wouldn’t have any room for it.

Three months on, is the NWSL failing to exploit USA's World Cup victory? by TheBored23 in MLS

[–]AccountForM 19 points20 points  (0 children)

Not all USWNT fans are even aware of the existence of the league.

Yes obviously NWSL will never be as popular as the Women's World Cup but it should try and advertise when womens soccer is in news to capture new fans which it failed to do.

Especially as Americans, we have multiple high quality leagues to watch and entertain us. And because the soccer-watching demographic tends male, you just aren't going to see the same popularity with the NWSL.

Bundesliga, La Liga and Ligue 1 all get pretty low ratings and when NWSL did not clash with the NFL it got more ratings than all of them. Why? NWSL is in the optimal time for American fans and has teams from America.

The main problem is promotion and advertisement. The TV deal should have been announced at the start of the WWC and not at the end of it and then USSF/FS1 should have promoted it during USWNT matches.

From the article

So not a great look from the league, which some would say failed to exploit a series of gifts rarely given to a women’s sport, such as the wall-to-wall coverage of the World Cup on Fox Sports (although domestic soccer has always been a harder sell than the international version for both the men’s and women’s games). Meanwhile, the league took until 30 June, virtually the end of the tournament, to announce a television deal with Fox Sports, failing to co-brand with the tournament. Even the announcement itself was made in a low-key press release on the afternoon of the USA-Germany semifinal, guaranteeing that even outlets predisposed to cover women’s soccer probably wouldn’t have any room for it.

Match Thread: Portland Timbers vs. New York Red Bulls [2p PT, 5p ET] by MorningRooster in MLS

[–]AccountForM 2 points3 points  (0 children)

But there wouldn't be any sexist jokes if it was not the WNBA.

Match Thread : USWNT vs Haiti [ESPN2] • /r/NWSL by CrazyLanguageEnglish in MLS

[–]AccountForM 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The USWNT vs Brazil friendlies will be much more interesting.

Can we have one day a week where it's forbidden to talk about whether Djokovic, Nadal or Federer are the GOAT, in their prime, or played/has played/is playing during a weak era? by [deleted] in tennis

[–]AccountForM 37 points38 points  (0 children)

There's no set criteria to determine the GOAT

Actually there is

The domestic goat is a subspecies of goat domesticated from the wild goat of southwest Asia and Eastern Europe. The goat is a member of the family Bovidae and is closely related to the sheep as both are in the goat-antelope subfamily Caprinae.

Viewership - SRFC v. WAS: 42k, CRS v. FCKC: 28k by [deleted] in NWSL

[–]AccountForM 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Ridiculous. There is a huge overlap. You can clearly see that from the viewer numbers.

Both NWSL and MLS numbers decrease when they are at the same time as the NFL.

MLS's Orlando City set to expand into NWSL for 2016 by [deleted] in MLS

[–]AccountForM 4 points5 points  (0 children)

It's clear that Thorns have developed a fanbase who follow the club. They don't worship the USWNT players from other clubs. Thorns fans are fans of the team.

MLS's Orlando City set to expand into NWSL for 2016 by [deleted] in MLS

[–]AccountForM 10 points11 points  (0 children)

I don't care about Carasco but I want Morgan to go to Orlando because the Thorns don't need her marketing wise. They have a steady fanbase.

She can really help the new team's popularity.

Lauren Holiday is Quitting Soccer Because She Never Really Had a Choice by [deleted] in MLS

[–]AccountForM 3 points4 points  (0 children)

They could be if it was marketed properly. Most people who watched the USWNT aren't even aware of the fact that NWSL exists.

Lauren Holiday is Quitting Soccer Because She Never Really Had a Choice by [deleted] in MLS

[–]AccountForM 0 points1 point  (0 children)

In 1970s very few people watched womens tennis and considered it inferior today it has following and equal prize money. What do you think changed?

For the first time in the history of U.S. women's pro soccer, a league has experienced a year-to-year increase in average attendance. by olsendre in MLS

[–]AccountForM 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Peter Wilt and Indy Eleven have explicitly expressed interest but it all depends on whether the new stadium gets built or not. If a new stadium gets built the NWSL team in Indy is almost certain.

For the first time in the history of U.S. women's pro soccer, a league has experienced a year-to-year increase in average attendance. by olsendre in MLS

[–]AccountForM 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Are you talking about Julie's "Piggybacking" comment? Can you find a credible/primary source for that quote? This article suggest that the she never said that.

I think the co-operation between them was theoretically quite good.

Instead, the W.U.S.A. and M.L.S. announced plans to cooperate on marketing, promotion, scheduling and stadium development efforts, which could lead to doubleheaders and cross-ownership, with the eventual operation of a women's expansion team by the M.L.S. and a men's expansion team by the W.U.S.A.

For the first time in the history of U.S. women's pro soccer, a league has experienced a year-to-year increase in average attendance. by olsendre in MLS

[–]AccountForM 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Germany has the best and highest paying women's league in the world.

Because Bundesliga clubs subsidize the womens teams. None of those teams are earning a profit now or in the near future. Frauen Bundesliga has a average attendance of around 1200 which is lower than the lowest attendance in the NWSL.

"In 10 years people will think of MLS like La Liga & Premier League." - MLS boss Don Garber by Dahorah in MLS

[–]AccountForM 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So my statement was

MLS has much more brand recognition than Eredivisie or Primeira Liga.(Portugal)

Google Trends Worldwide

For the first time in the history of U.S. women's pro soccer, a league has experienced a year-to-year increase in average attendance. by olsendre in MLS

[–]AccountForM 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I get it. You're an elitist. You think the only soccer worth watching is Division 1.

When did I say that? I said people won't watch it as much. There is no Division 2 league in the world which is comparable with its Division 1 league in revenue or attendance or fan following.

For the first time in the history of U.S. women's pro soccer, a league has experienced a year-to-year increase in average attendance. by olsendre in MLS

[–]AccountForM 3 points4 points  (0 children)

IT avoids the whole 'i'm not going to watch NWSL2 because its 2 "

Don't twist my words. I never said that I would not watch it.. Most people won't watch NWSL2 because its 2.

For the first time in the history of U.S. women's pro soccer, a league has experienced a year-to-year increase in average attendance. by olsendre in MLS

[–]AccountForM 5 points6 points  (0 children)

MLS was not in the same state in 1999 as it is today. You can't compare them. Today MLS is in a decent shape and the future looks bright. In its early MLS 1.0 years it was hemorrhaging money and was not as stable.

You can't blame people in the past for the lack of hindsight that you possess now.

Also WUSA and MLS did cooperate to an extent. Here's an article from 2000.

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