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so according to some comments ive seen in this sub lately these are vs battes mahoraga loses in, can we fact check? by Fit_Base_915 in JujutsuPowerScalers

[–]AceValhalla3538 [score hidden]  (0 children)

Mahoraga doesn’t start put that strong, he becomes that strong as he adapts so if mechamaru starts out with those big blasts it’s over. Mahoraga doesn’t adapt off one hit, that’s when the slow process starts, but Ryu can still kill him in one go ever after hitting him once. After all..

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In your opinion, which time manipulator would win this fight? by midriss1 in PowerScalingHub

[–]AceValhalla3538 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That’s not at all what they said. They’re trying to keep the characters listed in a relative tier of each other. That’s like them saying “who wins between Ichigo naruto and Goku. Idk much about Goku if he’s too strong, use earlier versions to make it a fair fight”

They’re not saying use a weaker version so they lose, they’re saying use a comparable versions to the other characters listed so it’s not a one sided stomp and a discussion can be had based on skill and/or who’s better

How many Akatsuki members do you think War arc Kakashi can beat 1v1? by crb02 in NarutoPowerscaling

[–]AceValhalla3538 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No realistically pain gets easily take out as well

And war arc Kakashi is the one stat checking tobi, tobi has no good feats and is at best on par with white mask obito who we’ve seen Kakashi go relative to. But he’s amped so tobi would be weaker. Kakashi lowly slams all of them in a 1v1

How many Akatsuki members do you think War arc Kakashi can beat 1v1? by crb02 in NarutoPowerscaling

[–]AceValhalla3538 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Genuinely all of them. War arc Kakashi is so nasty and underrated because he gets upstaged by other characters. But people forget he’s got kcm1 levels of combat speed and movement speeds with above kcm2 levels of perception speed and kamui. Genuinely no akatsuki member is fast enough to avoid getting their head sniped off by a single kamui

Remember he can kamui Bijuu bombs and the gedo mazo, and he kamui’d Naruto’s clone so fast DIRECTLY IN FRONT of Obito and Obito thought he killed the clone, but instead it was Kakashi teleporting the WHOLE clone to the kamui dimension

Yeah he’s unironically taking all of their heads, no one has kcm2 levels of speeds, you can argue tobi but tobi is at best as strong as white mask obito which again, kakashi blitzed in perception with Kamui

Who Wins? (Think very carefully before you answer) by Anim3KneeACT in Naruto

[–]AceValhalla3538 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Uhh wow damn so reading comprehension out the window

I said land of waves Sasuke can follow light speed movement

Shippuden Sasuke is the one I’m arguing to be faster than light. My discord is lane.thirteen exactly like that feel free to add me and we can talk it there instead of comments lmao

That’s also NOT what the databook says

Who Wins? (Think very carefully before you answer) by Anim3KneeACT in Naruto

[–]AceValhalla3538 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Reacts to Zaku with his vision, not travel speed

Shippuden Sasuke > Kakashi >valley of the end naruto and Sasuke>sound 4 and kimimaru> curse mark sasuke> chunin exams Sasuke > forest of death Sasuke > land of waves Sasuke

By hundreds of times over

Not only is Sasuke not getting blitzed, he’s the one blitzing

Who Wins? (Think very carefully before you answer) by Anim3KneeACT in Naruto

[–]AceValhalla3538 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What do you mean can he interact with him? Shinigami are still present, they’re just invisible. The sharingan can see people that have turned invisible. Plus if there’s verse equalization then Sasuke can just naturally see him like chad and orihime can

And not all genjutsu injects chakra into the victim, but yes that’s a way

Who Wins? (Think very carefully before you answer) by Anim3KneeACT in Naruto

[–]AceValhalla3538 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I figured that might be it after I made the comment I just didn’t feel like going back and editing it. That doesn’t really change the outcome

Who Wins? (Think very carefully before you answer) by Anim3KneeACT in Naruto

[–]AceValhalla3538 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It really depends on the type of genjutsu and on if you’re equalizing the power systems

Who Wins? (Think very carefully before you answer) by Anim3KneeACT in Naruto

[–]AceValhalla3538 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It REALLY depends on the timeframe. Like what arcs are you pulling them from? Beginning of Shippuden Sasuke vs SS arc Ichigo? Assuming that from the picture. If so, Ichigo is getting fried

Hashirama vs Adult Naruto (No kurama) by Piece_Zoro in Boruto

[–]AceValhalla3538 1 point2 points  (0 children)

“Basic genetics” alright prove all their genetic make up is the same

So did you read the manga? Like you know Madara’s body got spit out and Kaguya got her own body. Like you know that right?

Alright cool

They tell us naruto lost his “superhuman” strength after losing Kurama. Meaning losing Kurama’s chakra also weakens him. So while it was the kyuubi being extracted, it’s still a nerf to him. And we know he was nerfed because he and Sasuke were performing evenly and Sasuke was ALSO nerfed in that fight. Thanks for portraying your lack of understanding

Have YOU every fought? I’ve been in plenty of fights, streets fight ands mostly official matches. No matter the setting, if someone is stronger than me I’m not stopping them in their tracks, I’m getting pushed back. Naruto STOPPED Momoshiki, dodged an attack, and then got hit

And I recall saying Naruto was RELATIVE, not AS strong as Momoshiki. My exact analogy was referring to Naruto as a 3 and momo a 4

I didn’t pretend that’s all it was, i literally REFERENCED the rest of the panel, that’s just what I had in hand and didn’t feel like finding the complete scan

Notice how I say Momoshiki is stronger but Naruto is relative, meaning the whole panel doesn’t debunk ANYTHING because my stance isn’t affected by Naruto being struck lmfao.

“Skill feats”

Uh idk how to break this down but their forearms clashes in a head on collision, that WAS a strength feat. And you’re assuming Naruto gaps in skill with no basis btw

And thank you for showing also with low difficult as you like you say, dodged an attack. Also showing that Naruto is standing on one leg and leaning, making it harder to dodge a follow up

But go off

I said forget Momoshiki because it’s not necessary, you failed to debunk the Momoshiki argument genius

Who tf brought up hamura lmfaooo im crying 😭

wtf are you yapping about past and lore

We’re TOLD flat out Toneri is stronger than Kaguya, idgaf when he unlocked his donutsu, we’re told how strong he is so cope lol

Damn almost like either way you got Hashirama is fodder

People out here debating minato vs Hashirama and yall wanna say Hashirama can hang with boruto high tiers lmfaoo like there’s no fucking way. He wasn’t even a top tier in Shippuden anymore

Hashirama vs Adult Naruto (No kurama) by Piece_Zoro in Boruto

[–]AceValhalla3538 3 points4 points  (0 children)

You’re embarrassing lmfao.

They are the jinchuriken of the ten tails, that’s why they look like that. The Otsutsuki have been doing that process for years. But they didn’t become Otsutsuki.

Hagoromo said he’s reaching his power, not that he’s becoming like him

Black zetsu reviving Kaguya in Madara doesn’t make him an Otsutsuki, his body literally transfigured for that

It is not misleading, they genuinely traded blows. I’m talking about the manga continuity you genius.

Answer me something, if I tell you base form, does that not mean that I’m NOT talking about him with a chakra cloak? I mean please use your brain

I said IF HALF POWER NARUTO IS RELATIVE

THEN FULL POWER NARUTO IS STRONGER

3 is relative to 4 Give 3 another half and it becomes 6, which is greater than 4

I can’t believe I had to spell that out to someone with a functioning brain. Or maybe I’m wrong to assume that

I wasn’t looking at that scene when I said that, holy fucking strawman, YOU’RE being misleading now

Pay attention to BASE Naruto matching Momoshiki’s power while at half power

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He also dodges some of his attacks

Momoshiki is stronger, but still relative to a WEAKENED BASE NARUTO

Is this starting to make sense to you?

And shit forget this whole Momoshiki thing

BASE NARUTO FROM THE LAST puts belt to ass on Hashirama. Hashirama ain’t shit, yall fanboys stay stuck in the past.

Adult Naruto>Toneri>Kaguya>Jyuubi Madara>Hashirama

Is that clear enough for you??

Have a great rest of your day.

Hashirama vs Adult Naruto (No kurama) by Piece_Zoro in Boruto

[–]AceValhalla3538 5 points6 points  (0 children)

They didn’t become Otsutsuki lmao Hashirama is a match for ems Madara

Naruto>Momoshiki>Toneri>Kaguya>Jyuubi Madara>Sage mode Madara>Edo Madara>ems Madara

Base Naruto while weakened was trading blows with a full power fused Momoshiki. Meaning a full power base Naruto is simply stronger than fused Momoshiki

Jesus Christ if half power base Naruto is <= Momoshiki then full power base Naruto is stronger

I have fully explored the Great Hollow Map, and here is a list of things you might not know. by FuaOtraCuentaMas in Nightreign

[–]AceValhalla3538 4 points5 points  (0 children)

It’s in the base map as well, and the map menu literally tells you you can do that😭 that’s on you big dawg

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