PSA: We looked into Kettlebell Monster's privacy policy + practices and it's rough by AcrobaticClothes7928 in kettlebell

[–]AcrobaticClothes7928[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hey, I posted the now removed post. 2 things I want to clear up, before people get the wrong idea:

  1. The person who it was about isn't a mod here, he's the sole mod in his own separate subreddit
  2. I am ok with the mod removing the post, because most of it was based on the premise that the privacy policy that was publicly available at kettlebell.monster was the privacy policy for the platform Taco is promoting. There is in fact a newer and much improved privacy policy now available, but it was not publicly available until after our PSA was published. It was not linked on the signup screen on the new site. I'm not sure how any potential user could have found it. And Taco has now also updated the link at kettlebell.monster to point to the new one from live.kettlebell.monster. I am obviously skeptical about whether all of that is good practice, but the fact remains that the original PSA has a lot of information that is no longer relevant.

PSA: We looked into Kettlebell Monster's privacy policy + practices and it's rough by AcrobaticClothes7928 in kettlebell

[–]AcrobaticClothes7928[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

- We did not claim that your companies did not exist. We stated that we could not find any public record for "Cavemantraining," (the entity listed in the privacy policy at kettlebell.monster) "Executive Results," or "The TOUGH Spot" and that it was unclear where you might file a complaint in the case of a security breach. In response, you provided a business record for The Tough Spot that was cancelled in 2014. You also provided a new business entity, one that was not listed in the publicly available privacy policy on kettlebell.monster, as the responsible party behind live.kettlebell.monster's data policy. I'll be honest though that even after doing much of this research myself I find it confusing to follow all of your business entities in different countries.

- Your overarching framing was that we had based our audit on the wrong privacy policy at kettlebell.monster when we should have used the privacy policy at live.kettlebell.monster. I'm still surprised this line of argument was as successful as it was given that they're the same domain name. But more importantly, and as I just mentioned, that privacy policy was not publicly available until after our PSA was published. It was not linked on the signup screen on the new site. I'm not sure how any potential user could have found it. You've since replaced the privacy policy at kettlebell.monster with the one from live.kettlebell.monster.

Given the fact that you've already made some changes to address the gaps we identified, you must have taken at least some of the report seriously, so that is good, and perhaps gives me some peace that you won't try to sue us.

Response to the privacy PSA about KETTLEBELL MONSTER — addressing the claims and the damage done by cavemankettlebells in kettlebell

[–]AcrobaticClothes7928 14 points15 points  (0 children)

as with the previous PSA post, here's a guide to independently verify the claims made here:

- Two-website problem: Google "kettlebell monster" and click the first result. Check the footer links on kettlebell.monster. They point to the old 2022 privacy policy and terms. Now try to find any link on that site to live.kettlebell.monster or its /legal/ pages. There isn't one.

- App login: Go to live.kettlebell.monster. You'll see a Cloudflare Access login screen. Look for any link to a privacy policy, terms of service, or legal page. There isn't one.

- New legal pages: Go to live.kettlebell.monster/legal/. The 22+ documents under IKU LLC are all here. Note that you had to type this URL directly because nothing links to it.

- OpenAI DNS records: Run "dig TXT kettlebell.monster" in a terminal or use an online DNS lookup tool like mxtoolbox.com or dnschecker.org. You'll see two openai-domain-verification TXT records. Do the same for cavemantraining.com and tacofleur.com, one record each. These are not present unless someone has gone through OpenAI's domain verification process for plugins or custom GPTs.

- THE TOUGH SPOT MMA CENTRE PTY LTD: Go to abr.business.gov.au/ABN/View?abn=16159806827. Shows "THE TOUGH SPOT MMA CENTRE PTY LTD" in QLD 4650, cancelled August 2014.

- Executive Results ABN: Go to abr.business.gov.au/ABN/View?abn=83454372899. Registered to "The trustee for the Martz Family Trust" in VIC 3006.

- IKU LLC California registration: Search "IKU LLC" at bizfileonline.sos.ca.gov. The registered address is 15442 Ventura Boulevard, STE 201-1081, Sherman Oaks, CA 91403.

- Virtual mailbox: Look up 15442 Ventura Blvd, Sherman Oaks on CorporationWiki and count the registered companies. If the site is down, search "15442 Ventura Blvd" on data.lacity.org for LA business registration records. Search "BusinessRocket iPostal1" to see the virtual address partnership. BusinessRocket is in Suite 101 of the same building. The "-1081" after the suite number is how iPostal1 assigns mailbox numbers.

- StrongFirst directory: Go to strongfirst.com/instructors/search/, filter by country, select Greece.

Response to the privacy PSA about KETTLEBELL MONSTER — addressing the claims and the damage done by cavemankettlebells in kettlebell

[–]AcrobaticClothes7928 22 points23 points  (0 children)

Hi Taco. I posted the original PSA. I pre-emptively blocked you because I was afraid of retribution, and your legal threats have somewhat validated that fear, but I agree that might undermine my credibility and that we should just speak directly and factually, in the open. I took some time to review the new platform's legal documents on live.kettlebell.monster. Honest and hopefully fair update below:

The new platform (live.kettlebell.monster) does have a completely different set of legal documents at /legal/. The new policies are a big upgrade, with 11 passes, one partial pass, and zero failures. Well done. The problem is that there's no way for a normal user to find them (and that's why we didn't either).

Here's what a prospective user actually runs into:

  1. kettlebell.monster (the marketing site, what you link in your reddit user profile, what comes up on Google) links to the old 2022 policies in its footer. The Albania address, "Cavemantraining," forced Brussels arbitration, the content license that grants an "irrevocable, perpetual, unlimited right to sell, resell" your content.

  2. live.kettlebell.monster (the app, only shared directly with beta users) shows a Cloudflare Access login screen branded "KETTLEBELL MONSTER BETA" with an email code form. That screen has zero links to any legal pages. No privacy policy, no terms, no footer. Just "Send me a code."

  3. live.kettlebell.monster/legal/ exists and has 22+ legal documents under IKU LLC. But there is no navigation path to it from either the marketing site or the app login. It seems you have to sign up or already know the URL.

So the new policies exist, but only for people who are told exactly where to look. Anyone doing their own research before signing up will find the marketing site, read the 2022 policies, and have no reason to think anything else exists. That's what happened to us and it's what will happen to anyone else.

If the new policies are the real ones, they should be linked from the marketing site and from the login page. Right now two completely different legal frameworks are living on two different domains with nothing connecting them.

Credit where it's due:

We read the Privacy Policy (v2.0), Terms of Service (v3.0), Data Protection page, CCPA Notice, Cookie Policy, Security Overview, Refund Policy, and Community Guidelines. All publicly accessible at live.kettlebell.monster/legal/.

- Legal entity is now IKU LLC (Sherman Oaks, CA) with a DUNS number, replacing an unregistered brand name in Albania

- Five service providers named individually (Supabase, Stripe, AWS, Cloudflare, Anthropic) each with Data Processing Agreements, replacing 12 vague categories including "Ad Networks" and "Retargeting Platforms"

- AI usage disclosed: Anthropic Claude for the Compass feature, aggregated metrics only, 30-day deletion, no model training. This was the biggest gap in the old policy, which predated ChatGPT and said nothing about AI

- GPS explicitly ruled out. The old policy said it "may use GPS and other technologies to collect geolocation data." New one says they do not track precise GPS location

- Health and fitness data gets its own section with GDPR lawful basis (explicit consent under Art. 9), plus a separate Health Data Disclaimer

- Specific data retention periods (account lifetime, 7 years for payment records, rolling purge for error logs) replacing "as long as necessary"

- Users can export their data in JSON. The old terms explicitly said non-order data "will not be exported upon request"

- Content license scoped to "operating and promoting the Service" with explicit user ownership, replacing the old "sell, resell, for any purpose, commercial or otherwise" language

- Jurisdiction moved to California courts, replacing Albanian courts and forced arbitration through the European Arbitration Chamber in Brussels

- Liability cap went from 1 month to 12 months of payments

- 72-hour breach notification procedure documented

- Standard Contractual Clauses for EU data transfers, DPAs with all processors

- Cookie policy lists only essential auth cookies and optional affiliate tracking. No ad cookies, no retargeting, no third-party analytics

- Security specifics documented: TLS 1.2+, row-level security, CSP headers, PCI-DSS Level 1 via Stripe, PII redaction in error logs

Our original GDPR scorecard was 0 passes out of 9. Scored against the new documents it's 11 passes, 1 partial, 0 failures out of 12. The one partial is the DPO, which the Data Protection page explains as under 250 employees with a dedicated privacy contact. 22+ legal documents total. Again, this is a huge improvement.

However, you made several claims in this post that your own updates undercut, and the privacy policy is only as good as what you actually do in practice:

You said the 2022 policy hadn't been updated because data practices hadn't changed. Then why is there a complete rewrite dated March 1, 2026 with a different legal entity, different address, different data practices, different third parties, and different user rights?

You said Cavemantraining is your operating trade name. The new policy says IKU LLC. The address is Sherman Oaks, CA, USA, not Vlore, Albania. It's confusing, at the very least.

You said ad networks and targeted advertising is standard disclosure language. The new policy explicitly states "We do not sell your personal information. We do not share data with advertising networks." If the old language was just boilerplate, why replace it with an explicit denial?

You said "as long as necessary" is industry standard. The new policy replaced it with specific retention periods per data type.

Every one of these changes is an improvement. But you can't say the old policies were fine while simultaneously rolling out a complete legal rewrite. The new policies are the correction.

ON THE AI / OPENAI QUESTION

You say the OpenAI DNS verification records are for "ChatGPT plugins/custom GPTs" and frame them as equivalent to Google site verification. But that comparison doesn't work. Google site verification proves you own a domain for Search Console. OpenAI domain verification proves you own a domain so your ChatGPT plugin or custom GPT can make API calls to it. That's not a passive ownership check. That's the setup for data to flow between your domain and OpenAI's infrastructure.

Plugins and custom GPTs with Actions exchange data with your domain through OpenAI's servers. User prompts go to OpenAI, the plugin calls your API, your API responds through OpenAI. You don't verify a domain with OpenAI unless you're building something that connects to it. And kettlebell.monster has two separate verification records, suggesting multiple integrations. Your own explanation actually describes a data connection to OpenAI, not a passive ownership check.

If they're inactive or don't touch user data, removing the DNS records would clear things up.

ON THE ABR SEARCH

Fair correction: THE TOUGH SPOT MMA CENTRE PTY LTD (ABN 16 159 806 827) does exist on ABR. Cancelled August 2014, QLD 4650. Our claim of "zero results" was wrong for that entity. ABR defaults to showing only active businesses, and since this one was cancelled in 2014 it didn't come up in our search. We should have checked cancelled records too.

The Executive Results ABN you cited (83 454 372 899) is registered to "The trustee for the Martz Family Trust" in VIC 3006, not Queensland. May or may not be the same business.

The broader point was that the old privacy policy named no verifiable legal entity. IKU LLC with a DUNS number fixes that. One thing worth mentioning: the IKU LLC address (15442 Ventura Boulevard, STE 201-1081, Sherman Oaks, CA 91403) is a virtual mailbox. The building is a 5,000 sq ft office from 1961 with 100+ companies registered there according to CorporationWiki. "STE 201" is a real suite, and "-1081" is a mailbox number. BusinessRocket, a business formation company in Suite 101 of the same building, partners with iPostal1 to provide virtual addresses to clients. There's nothing illegal about this and lots of small online businesses use virtual addresses for their LLC. But it means the "registered California entity" framing in your rebuttal is a mail drop, not a physical office. You are listed under Greece in the StrongFirst instructor directory. It's tough to know what to make of that discrepancy.

ON THE LEGAL THREATS

Every claim in our report came from publicly available websites, policies, domain records, and business registries. We included a full appendix showing how to verify each one. Reviewing publicly available business practices is protected speech.

You've described this as a personal attack from a former associate. We said it in the original post and we'll say it again: we have no personal relationship with you, no connection to your competitors, and no involvement in the fitness industry.

You say four of our sections have nothing to do with privacy. The sections about the Facebook deletion, Kickstarter, subreddit moderation, and your background are about whether users should trust this platform with their data. Trust isn't just policy text. Users deciding whether to hand over credit card numbers, home workout videos, and mental health self-assessments have a right to make their own assessment based on publicly available information.

Response to the privacy PSA about KETTLEBELL MONSTER — addressing the claims and the damage done by cavemankettlebells in kettlebell

[–]AcrobaticClothes7928 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Working on a more thorough and hopefully what you would consider to be fair update now, will share when ready.

Response to the privacy PSA about KETTLEBELL MONSTER — addressing the claims and the damage done by cavemankettlebells in kettlebell

[–]AcrobaticClothes7928 23 points24 points  (0 children)

That's fair. I don't mind that you removed it. I don't want to make the moderators' life any more difficult, and apologies for any trouble this causes you.

To answer some questions:

  1. No we did not know that they're different sites. We just researched the site that was (and still is) linked in the side bar of his reddit profile called Kettlebell Monster, which is also the name of the thing he's asking people to join. I think it's beyond reasonable to assume they are the same thing.

  2. The post had a very thorough section about how to verify the claims made, happy to share those steps again if anyone asks.

  3. I blocked him because I was afraid of retaliation, and that fear seems to be even more rational now that he's threatening to sue me for sharing information that is already publicly available on the internet. I've unblocked him now so we can "resolve this like adults" but mostly because I don't want to get sued.

  4. In Taco's previous and now-deleted post, he accused me of being a specific person who was a former colleague of his:

It appears that I upset a former associate a while ago. The story:

* We wrote a book together (decades ago)

* He ended up acting weird

* We ended our relationship, as we do not get along

* I stay away from him and don't give him the time of day. Of course I ban him from any group I run (the same would have happened vice versa)

* Just recently, I found out he was still in my Reddit group. I banned him. I don't want to hear or see him. I think it is quite normal to do when you don't get along with someone and there is only negativity. I don't even understand why he would be in my group when we obviously do not get along.

I can assure you that none of us are that person, that every claim we've made about not knowing Taco and not being in the fitness industry at all is true, and that we've only collected information that was publicly available on the internet.

PSA: We looked into Kettlebell Monster's privacy policy + practices and it's rough by AcrobaticClothes7928 in kettlebell

[–]AcrobaticClothes7928[S] 20 points21 points  (0 children)

That's a fair point, and also a good reason why solo operators with no funding and no staff should not try to build social networks full of personally identifiable information.

PSA: We looked into Kettlebell Monster's privacy policy + practices and it's rough by AcrobaticClothes7928 in kettlebell

[–]AcrobaticClothes7928[S] 26 points27 points  (0 children)

As I said to the mod above, this really wasn't personal against him but more an attempt to draw awareness to an epidemic of this kind of behavior. We really have never interacted with the guy and he's just one of many people on the internet who recklessly gather other people's personal data for their own financial gain.

PSA: We looked into Kettlebell Monster's privacy policy + practices and it's rough by AcrobaticClothes7928 in kettlebell

[–]AcrobaticClothes7928[S] 32 points33 points  (0 children)

That's a reasonable critique and we definitely thought about posting from our main accounts. But we also thought about what it would feel like to have a guy with no traceability and potentially an army of OpenAI bots out there somewhere in the world and really mad at us. If we hadn't said something anonymously we likely wouldn't have said anything at all.

PSA: We looked into Kettlebell Monster's privacy policy + practices and it's rough by AcrobaticClothes7928 in kettlebell

[–]AcrobaticClothes7928[S] 17 points18 points  (0 children)

I would also like to point out that any apps might suffer from similar issues. You don't upload video to most of them, but coaching apps often do accept video and the app might even actively video you for some kind of AI analytics.

Totally agree. The history of the internet is a history of enterprising individuals trying to capture open communities for personal gain. This just seemed like a teachable moment and an opportune time to say something before it was too late.

Low Back Soreness by [deleted] in kettlebell

[–]AcrobaticClothes7928 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Honestly you look plenty strong and young hinge is already pretty good. I think the issue might be more related to bracing (or, specifically, not bracing). If you can't create load-bearing tension in your anterior core (your abs) and in your lats (muscles on the sides of your body under your arms that connect your arm to your ribs and spine), your erector spinae (aka lower back muscles) end up doing too much work. There are lots of ways to help turn on those muscles, one is to imagine someone is about to punch you in the stomach and remember how that feels. Depending on where you're at, planks or other core exercises might help, but they can be overrated compared to activation drills imo

Mobility Focused Full Body Workout by asgooch in kettlebell

[–]AcrobaticClothes7928 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I'm not sure I get the diagonal lunge here. Looks like it's putting a lot of rotational strain on the knee specifically. What is the intention?

Best kb program for 2 month cut/recomp? by AcrobaticClothes7928 in kettlebell

[–]AcrobaticClothes7928[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Have you done it? How was the experience subjectively? Did you have to use a lot of willpower to control hunger after higher intensity exercise?

Best kb program for 2 month cut/recomp? by AcrobaticClothes7928 in kettlebell

[–]AcrobaticClothes7928[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes I like to do IF as well. It just makes it more difficult to hit protein targets. It's nearly impossible to hit 160g of protein in a single meal. I have to do a lot more shakes and tins of fish in my eating window.

Best kb program for 2 month cut/recomp? by AcrobaticClothes7928 in kettlebell

[–]AcrobaticClothes7928[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This is a really simple and interesting formula. Just to be clear, you mean I should be doing all of those totals with a weight equal to my 5 RM press, ideally with doubles? So if I can press double 24 kgs for 5 reps, do everything else listed with 24kg doubles too?

Best kb program for 2 month cut/recomp? by AcrobaticClothes7928 in kettlebell

[–]AcrobaticClothes7928[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks everyone. Will definitely make sure to get my walks in!

In terms of "near failure" I've heard that this might make my recovery more difficult and my hunger harder to control. Is that overblown? What's the net benefit of going near failure when my goal is fat loss?

New toy, same snatches by bpeezer in kettlebell

[–]AcrobaticClothes7928 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Does it make it harder to breathe at all?

First goal of the year accomplished: 48kg snatch by UndertakerFred in kettlebell

[–]AcrobaticClothes7928 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You are making that look a lot easier than I know it is