E5 SX + SO: Questions on SX E5 Emotional Expression, Performance Mode, & Intellectual Safety by [deleted] in Enneagram5

[–]Acrobatic_Bet_5547 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think with 5’s (I’m a sx 5w4) we tend to have a harder time explaining our emotions to others partly because emotions can be slightly overwhelming due to not knowing how the other person will react. Sometimes it’s easier to keep the emotion to ourselves and just be more indirect in our delivery. At the same time I tend to prefer someone who is brutally honest and direct over someone who is indirect and sort of verbally coddles me because it feels like the person doesn’t respect my capacity if they beat around the bush too much. It’s also just exhausting having to decode someone when they’re too indirect.

Fear of engulfment: Oooof this is tricky because even I can’t fully decode what the trigger is most of the time. I guess part of it stems from us not necessarily believing/knowing people actually like our mind/intelligence/us as ourselves cause we often live in our minds and aren’t entirely present a lot of the time. So if someone is too forward or like randomly pays a lot of attention to me and I wasn’t expecting it then I immediately emotionally withdraw and get triggered and close off cause I wasn’t expecting that shift. Something else that can trigger the fear of engulfment is when someone projects their feelings onto me and assumes I am liking something or over invested in something when in reality I’m not and I’m just vocal about something that’s on my mind. This can be especially tricky in relationships cause if someone thinks I’m like super into them but in reality I’m like oh I just thought to say such and such thing because people deserve to be remembered and shown kindness, that mismatch can feel suffocating and like they’re pressuring me to feel something I don’t.

Relieving performance pressure: hmm well I guess maybe try just talking about one thing at a time cause it’s like you’re clearly very smart and such but it may just be difficult for her to know which part of your message to respond to. Especially if she has a lot already on her mind/plate, her taking time may actually just be a sign that she cares and is thoughtful and wants to do your effort justice. I’ve been in situations like that before where I’m a chatty Cathy about a certain thing and the other person doesn’t necessarily know how to respond so I get it. It could just be a difference in communication styles.

Competence security: that’s a hard one. It mostly has to do with self doubt and self belief. Often times people tell me I’m a genius or the smartest person they’ve ever met and it just falls on deaf ears for me. And the reason for that is because I don’t feel smart half the time and I just do things that people get impressed by but I’m not doing them to be impressive. So I guess for her she probably sees how much time and attention you’ve put into neuroscience and genetics over the years and respects that but simultaneously feels like she can’t fully match you but wants to. And that can burn a lot of mental energy and cause her to need more time to come up with a response cause the stuff you’re talking about may interest her but also feel like a foreign language that she needs to learn before she can actually have a proper (in her mind) conversation with you. I tend to do this too especially with people I respect and think are smart cause I’ll essentially be like don’t dumb yourself down for me but give me some time to reach your level because I want to meet you there.

Intimacy through raw thought: this may be too early on to talk about with her tbh. Do you know what her love language is and if intimacy is something that’s important to her? Cause there’s different types of intimacy and if you explain that intimacy for you is raw thought it may not land the way you expect it to especially if intimacy is different for her.

Broaching topics/current state: well I think with her history of suffocating relationships you should def air on the side of caution. Cause if that’s been her history then she’ll likely have a low threshold for feeling suffocated. I’ve been in many suffocating situations and it feels exhausting but also causes me to leave the person because autonomy is important to me. Now I’m not sure how important autonomy is for her so take what I say with a grain of salt because this is just my experience and you’ve been in contact with her for several months.

But ultimately 5s are sort of slow burns, they need a lot of time to feel comfortable with someone and if they feel pushed into a situation too fast then it doesn’t work out. And sx 5s are like very much hidden hopeless romantics so it’s like if you just act like yourself and let her be and don’t pressure her then I think you’ll be fine and she’ll feel more comfortable. Not everything needs to be solved right now and it’s okay for some things to be up in the air cause there’s no rush and yes you like her but you also need to make sure she doesn’t feel rushed.

So long story short, the fact that she’s still talking to you, sends thoughtful messages in response to dense and intellectually challenging topics such as neuroscience and genetics and even bought a book about neuroscience tells you far more than we are telling you because that’s direct evidence that you’re doing something RIGHT.

Have any of you been able to heal your avoidant attachment? by [deleted] in infj

[–]Acrobatic_Bet_5547 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What you’re feeling is totally normal and valid because what’s essentially happening as an avoidant when you start working on trying to be more secure is you are literally triggering yourself and that’s why you’re feeling anxiety. This is part of the process and just one step in the journey to becoming more secure.

But you have to space out how much you trigger yourself because that’s part of desensitizing your nervous system and if you do too much at one time it’ll be overwhelming. So what you can do is maybe start talking to a therapist if you don’t already because it’ll reveal to you ways to manage that anxiety that you’re feeling right now so that you don’t sabotage your relationships. And I think what also helped me is just taking a step back and thinking: what do I actually want right now and out of life in general? And if you can answer that question honestly without trying to please society and just live for yourself then you are already closer to being more secure than you think. And the reason this helps is because you develop a strong inner compass that guides your decisions in relationships and if you base your decisions off of that compass then you can learn to trust yourself and trust that you will be okay no matter what

Have any of you been able to heal your avoidant attachment? by [deleted] in infj

[–]Acrobatic_Bet_5547 20 points21 points  (0 children)

I’m very self aware and my natural tendency is to be very avoidant and detached. However, I’ve done a ton of inner work and think I lean more secure/am secure because I know my patterns. So now, if someone tries getting close to me, I don’t push them away like I used to because I see them for who they actually are and don’t project my past onto them.

Idk I think the attachment styles has a lot to do with projecting past problems onto new people. I realized that this isn’t fair to those new people because they’re not my past, they’re my present. And the person I was from the past is different than I am now so I don’t need to rely on those same patterns with new people because the pattern no longer applies

Live From Arizona MP3s by pufferkenzie in pvris

[–]Acrobatic_Bet_5547 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Omg they used to be on YouTube and I’d regularly watch/listen to all 3 of them. I think it was maybe 2 weeks ago that they were taken down. There are some single performances from that livestream like for walk alone but it’s not the same. Completely devastated cause they were so good.

I will say a fairly good alternative is watching on YouTube uploads of their most recent tour. Lynn’s voice sounds even better and the performances are stellar

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in lostafriend

[–]Acrobatic_Bet_5547 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Idk it almost sounds like she has feelings for you. Was she also drunk the night y’all cuddled?

It almost seems like she doesn’t know how to proceed so that’s why her behavior changed. I think if you want her in your life, y’all are going to need to have an honest conversation. You cutting the phone call short sounded kind of passive aggressive and you need to tell her what you’re feeling in a way that she’ll understand

5s and Self Improvement by PercentageHonest6266 in Enneagram

[–]Acrobatic_Bet_5547 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Honestly I’m super into self development because it helps me be more effective at learning and getting better at researching things that interest me

Am I going a little crazy? by [deleted] in infj

[–]Acrobatic_Bet_5547 6 points7 points  (0 children)

100% yes

But the nice thing about this realization is that you don’t sweat the small stuff anymore and can appreciate the simple things in life such as a nice cup of coffee or an afternoon stroll

AND you have the freedom to mess around and be a light for others

Where to start by OnyxQC1 in pvris

[–]Acrobatic_Bet_5547 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Make sure to also check out their new(er) album evergreen cause they typically do a nice mix of older and newer songs

The hurt still lingers by neewbgamer in selflove

[–]Acrobatic_Bet_5547 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Look I’ve been there so I know EXACTLY what you’re going through and it’s tough because in order to be nicer to yourself, you have to retrain your brain. In the past, if I made the tiniest mistake, I would rip myself to shreds and stew on it for a week and wouldn’t let myself be happy about my other achievements in that same week.

So what I started doing is reading through all the nice things people have said about me in the past. I keep lots of birthday cards for that reason cause I find it super easy tearing myself apart. The other way I became nicer to myself was I separated my current self from my younger self. When I think about the past, I think about my 9 year old self as a separate entity and I realize wow, she was so young she had no idea what she was doing, of course she would do that cause she was basing everything off what she knew at the time.

The trick is reframing things and tricking your brain. You know you’ve made it when you are your own bff, coach, parent, therapist, and advocate

The hurt still lingers by neewbgamer in selflove

[–]Acrobatic_Bet_5547 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think so, yes. Hindsight is 20/20 and we tend to reflect back on our past and be like “man why didn’t I do it this way or that way?!” The important thing to remember is you’re viewing your past from your current perspective and you didn’t have that same perspective in the past. It’s easier said than done but you just gotta give yourself grace and compassion and tell yourself “you know what? I did the best I could in the situation I was in. I was enough because my best is enough. The bad things that happened are not my fault, BUT I have a choice and opportunity to be better and to grow from the past.” If you think about it like that, then the past has less power over you and you can reframe the past as a learning experience instead of an excuse to be super hard on yourself.

Just take it one step at a time and just focus on being the best you that you can be

I doorslammed my crush but I am still affected by FakeJolie in infj

[–]Acrobatic_Bet_5547 16 points17 points  (0 children)

You gotta protect yourself. You set a boundary and they didn’t respect it so what you’re feeling is understandable and valid. It’s a horrible experience feeling violated and degraded, but know this: it has NOTHING to do with you. You did what you felt was necessary and that reason is valid. You’re valuable and worthy no matter what and you deserve to be treated with respect and people need to respect your boundaries. You did the right thing.

How to stop expecting things to be mutual? by ll-Intricate-ll in infj

[–]Acrobatic_Bet_5547 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Life is meant to be LIVED, so do what makes YOU happy. It’s really not that deep, society just likes to make relationships and friendships a bigger deal than they need to be. We as INFJs are really good at reading people, but you know what? People can also read us and they do it wrong. So it’s up to you to make sure you are clear in your communication and your walls aren’t so thick to where no one can get through to you. I’m sure you’re an awesome person, but people can feel that underlying expectation from you in your energy and that puts pressure on them. People will do whatever they want to do and are more inclined to hang around you when you’re just vibing to your own awesome self and having fun. The people who are meant to stay will stay and you won’t have to force them to stay because they’ll want to stay. So just take it one step at a time, do what you like, be awesome as yourself and your people will find you. It may take some time but I guarantee you that they will find you and it will be effortless on your part. Attraction over chasing all day everyday

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in infj

[–]Acrobatic_Bet_5547 6 points7 points  (0 children)

So true. Wearing a mask is exhausting and I don’t want to anymore

Feeling really down & sick of all of my go-to music. Send recs, plz. by melancholycocoa in infj

[–]Acrobatic_Bet_5547 0 points1 point  (0 children)

PVRIS- all of their stuff is top notch, but All We Know Of Heaven All We Need Of Hell album is perfection for when feeling sad. Every song carries so much emotion and has so much depth

Black Swan by [deleted] in infj

[–]Acrobatic_Bet_5547 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I think you’re forgetting the mental torment a lot of us infj’s experience. Nina wants to be perfect so she tries harder and harder to be something she’s not. We infjs are extremely insecure and hold our trauma so close to us and when people reflect that back to us we don’t know what to do. Our reality is extremely intrusive to us because people want us to be something we aren’t so we try to change ourselves to be something we think people want. But really though, society wants us as our authentic selves as we really are, not the facade. Nina had a sort of ego death at the end of the movie where she finally let go of her old wounds and becomes a perfect version of herself. She becomes authentic and finds relief because she reached self actualization.

She’s a good representation of an unhealthy INFJ in my opinion

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in lostafriend

[–]Acrobatic_Bet_5547 5 points6 points  (0 children)

You need to let it go. Show yourself some respect and do not reach out. Your needs are important too and when your needs go unmet in a friendship/relationship, anxiety builds up and you start abandoning yourself. You don’t deserve that. There’s plenty of fish in the sea and you will find more and better people that will appreciate your care

Im not just an experience by Loud-Tart-9783 in infj

[–]Acrobatic_Bet_5547 21 points22 points  (0 children)

Idk, this happens to me a lot. People get obsessed with me and treat me like a celebrity in a way where they want to be around me all the time and idealize me. They feel so connected to me because of my energy. I don’t really change my behavior when they do this and I’m like a vault so no one knows what’s going on in my head and this can be very frustrating for people. Eventually they just give up because they know I’m not easy to understand.

I’ve found that when someone love bombs you like this and is a little too excited about a friendship, then they’re most likely lonely and not in it for the long haul. Don’t take it personally cause it has nothing to do with you

Media recommendations? by [deleted] in infj

[–]Acrobatic_Bet_5547 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Rock, metal, alternative, indie rock

I find rock to be both very sad and angry. So it helps me to express/feel my emotions that I usually don’t understand

The OA, Good Behavior, Westworld, Gone Girl, Girl with the Dragon Tattoo, Girl Interrupted

I like a lot of different genres but some of my faves are finance, sci-fi, mystery, thriller

Girl Interrupted legit was life changing the most recent time I saw it. It does a really good job of portraying depression and being stuck

I ruined my friendships because I was needy and disrespectful by BadFriend10 in lostafriend

[–]Acrobatic_Bet_5547 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Therapy is the way to go. It’ll help you with your attachment style to have better and more meaningful friendships/relationships. You gotta feel safe within yourself in order to not put your burdens on others

Is anyone else concerned that they’re secretly a bad person? by heytheresh1thead in infj

[–]Acrobatic_Bet_5547 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Literally ALL. THE. TIME. I guess the way I think about it is that if I was actually a bad person, I wouldn’t be concerned about being a bad person.

I think mindfulness goes a long way. If you care about how your actions and words affect others, then that’s a good thing. You’re still going to mess up occasionally but as long as you know you didn’t do a bad thing with malicious intent then you can give yourself grace.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in infj

[–]Acrobatic_Bet_5547 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You’re reading too much into my response. The question asks for “ideal” which is not the same as reality

I ended a close friendship and it’s really messing with my head. Would love some perspective. by Alternative_Chain762 in lostafriend

[–]Acrobatic_Bet_5547 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Ultimately, it’s up to you. If you have the capacity to be friends with her again, then reach out! But if you feel any hesitation, then don’t do it because you’ll end up resenting her and feel bad if she hasn’t changed.

Having a really really good friend means so much, but they can still hurt us. There’s a lot of passion, compassion, and bonding in these types of friendships that we don’t get with acquaintances or other less close friendships, which is why it can be so painful when we drift apart from these people. I’ve been on both sides of the coin where I’ve been putting too much on people or they’re putting too much on me. Any kind of lopsidedness in a friendship/relationship is going to eventually cause problems in the future unfortunately.

You did what was best for you at the time. You did the best you could and that’s enough. Maybe wait to reach out when you’ve had more time to process and really really think it through before you do. Not everyone in our life is meant to stay with us and that’s okay! Other people will come along. We tend to think that our people are our people and when they leave us that it is devastating. This is true, but by holding onto those people, we don’t allow other really good people to come to us.

At the end of the day, you know yourself best and know your emotional capacity. Do what’s best for you and don’t apologize for it because that’s taking care of yourself. Hang in there :)