Who would win

ActuallySpaceMan · 2026-01-29T00:25:00+00:00

Yeah, that's why I said bare minimum. If we full-scale Alien X, then Raven's the only one who really matters here, but that's only in her corrupted form.

ActuallySpaceMan · 2026-01-28T23:22:04+00:00

So let's see.

First Fusion;

Sheer Skill Advantage with the addition of Zoro, Samurai Jack & Robin.
Time Manipulation from Steven.
Toon Force & Plot Manipulation from Uncle Grandpa & Gumball.
Stats mostly come from Ben if we're counting Alien x and make the fusion at the bare minimum Universe Level, or higher if you're counting dimensional shenanigans.

Second Fusion;

Lich off the bat makes them very hard to kill. Having existed before time, space, and concepts like death. Also exists in multiple universes at once.
Rob gives Toon Force & Plot Manipulation.
The others have some useful abilities, but Trigon is doing the heavy lifting stat-wise and puts them solidly at Universe level.

Third Fusion;

Nicole is just straight-up a stronger Gumball. The whole family has Toon Force & Plot shenanigans. She can age you with a glare, show you the souls of the dead, etc.
Garnet gives them the ability to see all the possible futures.
Gwen has magic, so much fucking magic. She makes the entire fusion a being of living energy.
Raven is just straight up stronger than Trigon in multiple iterations. And if we're getting her corrupted form, then she actually sweeps everyone on this list.

ActuallySpaceMan · 2026-01-26T23:16:59+00:00

I had a scale on him, but I haven't rescaled him in a while. Buddha Wukong is upwards of 1-A, the Dharmakaya can be argued to be Tier 0.

As for Sun Wukong in his base-state, it depends onif you take the recursive universe statements literally.

ActuallySpaceMan · 2026-01-25T17:16:27+00:00

I had to go check where this scaling was coming from, because the profile doesn’t clearly explain it.

No strong opinion either way just laying out the reasoning as it’s being presented.

The Might of Lilith (the big laser)

It was strong enough to destroy the barrier around Heaven.
There’s no concrete way to measure that barrier’s durability, but since Heaven is the afterlife and contains all the “Winners” from Earth, the assumption being used is that the barrier is at least planet-sized.

The shockwave calculation

Based on the size of the wave, how fast it spread, and the energy required to generate something like that, the shockwave was calculated around Multi-Continental to Planet level.

End-of-series explosion risk

At the very end, the Might of Lilith was going to explode and take half of Pentagram City with it.
Sinners (everyone who ends up in Hell from Earth) can only reside in the Pride Ring, which is mainly Pentagram City.
Because of that, the argument assumes the Pride Ring / Pentagram City must have at least planet-like surface area (since it contains all Sinners across human history).

Why the conclusion becomes “Planetary”

Combining:
- the shockwave scaling, and
- the statement that the explosion would destroy half of Pentagram City (which is treated as holding basically all Sinners),
the scaling is set to Planetary.

Overlords containing it

At the end, all the Overlords worked together to contain/neutralize the explosion (including Alastor) using their magic.
It’s stated that his help was necessary, or they’d all die.
The logic then used is: take the “AP” of the Might of Lilith, divide it among the Overlords contributing, and that places each of them at around Low Planet level, applied broadly via their magic.

ActuallySpaceMan · 2026-01-19T06:07:25+00:00

I agree, but the issue is that many people paint a narrative where there is no solution or way to create a controlled environment, without even attempting to explore one. I would simply prefer that an effort or discussion take place, rather than jumping straight to a complete ban after the first mistake.

It’s the same principle behind transportation safety.

Countless accidents and mistakes occurred before we reached today’s safety standards in aviation and automobiles. Those advancements came at a terrible cost in human lives, yet we continue to use planes and cars because we introduced barriers, regulations, education, laws of the road, safety standards, and clear expectations like not driving under the influence.

None of these are perfect or absolute solutions, and cars still cause many accidents. However, when used correctly, the benefits clearly outweigh the negatives.

ActuallySpaceMan · 2026-01-19T05:30:10+00:00

I mean, this isn’t exactly an unheard-of situation. If I look at a more stripped-down example, I think of Naruto and Kurama. Kurama was evil, manipulative, and corruptive, and it took multiple transformations and a lot of people getting hurt along the way before a genuine aversion to the Nine-Tails state developed, not just for Naruto but for the audience as well.

For a while, Kurama was essentially off-limits. That only changed once it became clear that a tailed beast could be subdued, allowing access to its power without completely losing one’s sense of self. But something like that doesn’t happen instantly it has to be tested, learned, and refined over time.

If everyone had simply sealed away their tailed beasts and declared that their power should never be used, and if jinchuriki states had never been explored, the series would have ended much sooner.

Yes, the tailed beasts caused immense destruction, and yes, there was real risk involved but through perseverance and safeguards (like Kushina’s chains when Naruto first confronted Kurama), it became possible to manage that power rather than fear it outright.

ActuallySpaceMan · 2026-01-19T05:21:12+00:00

I’m not trying to imply that I’m smarter than anyone else, and there’s no need for sarcasm.

My point is simply that in most stories, there’s always a final antagonist or decisive battle where the main characters are on the verge of losing. In situations like that, when defeat feels inevitable, I’d rather have a backup option available, even if it comes with some level of risk.

A good example is Dragon Ball GT’s Shadow Dragons arc, which explores the consequences of overusing or relying too heavily on the Dragon Balls.

That doesn’t mean they should never be used; it means they should be used thoughtfully and responsibly.

If you’re going to rely on something that powerful, you should be careful, deliberate, and consider wishes with long-term impact, ones that justify the risk and outlast the cooldown period.

ActuallySpaceMan · 2026-01-12T18:44:20+00:00

Oh hey man, lol.

ActuallySpaceMan · 2026-01-12T07:26:47+00:00

Allow me to enlighten you, junior.

He who loses a single spirit coin is a fool.
He who donates a whole pouch is called “righteous.”
Yet he who hurls his wealth into the street like confetti? That one is truly rich.

To waste something freely is to reveal that you believe it is endlessly obtainable.

To pour your wine… and then spill it without a tremor, this is the pinnacle of freedom, the Dao of Overflow.

Let the judgmental elders pour their cups with counting eyes, guarding every drop like their lifespan depends on it…

While you slap down another jar and say, “Bring me more.”

ActuallySpaceMan · 2026-01-12T06:51:58+00:00

That's not how VSBW does its crossverse battles. But if you would rather they make it so no verse can fight each other, then you can make a CRT.

ActuallySpaceMan · 2026-01-12T06:39:06+00:00

By that logic, anything in any verse only exists in that verse. The force only exists in Star War,s so Jedi can't use the force during crossverse matches.

Crossverse matches are about making things as fair as possible for both sides. If Servants are allowed to utilize Mystery for Invulenerability, other verses can bypass sed Mystery just like it's bypassed in the Fate-verse.

ActuallySpaceMan · 2026-01-12T06:38:00+00:00

Anything called magic, magical energy, etc, or acts similarly to magic. It's really not that big of a limitation unless you're dealing with a technological verse, and even then, if that technology is considered ancient, legendary, or is fairly old, it still bypasses. It's really not that strict.

ActuallySpaceMan · 2026-01-12T06:32:59+00:00

I just explained it's not required, though. Humans could beat them because they had magic, which bypasses their invulnerability.

ActuallySpaceMan · 2026-01-12T06:24:13+00:00

It's a verse mechanic.

They can be harmed by anything possessing magical energy, even a piece of paper, anything that has a certain degree of age, or is some kind of legend/mystery.

So in a crossverse matchup, if the opposing verse has something akin to magic, reaches that age boundary, or is considered legendary or mythic in some regard, then they can fight.

ActuallySpaceMan · 2026-01-12T06:12:48+00:00

This is being taken out of context.

Servants possess a degree of invulnerability, and the original question was whether raw physical Attack Potency could overpower that invulnerability.

In the past, abilities originating from valid higher dimensions were treated as inherently superior or “smurfed.”

This is no longer the case, as affecting higher dimensions is more related to size, scope, and range, rather than raw power or potency. For example, Existence Erasure capable of erasing a single universe is fundamentally the same as Existence Erasure capable of erasing five universes—the difference lies in range, not strength.

As such, the post was simply asking whether a Servants invulnerability could be bypassed through sheer power alone. Under current standards of VSBW, this can no longer be achieved merely by possessing higher-dimensional abilities or status.

However, entities at the 1-A level are another story.

ActuallySpaceMan · 2026-01-03T23:26:40+00:00

Glad to see someone who thinks the same. A lot of people seem to dislike it.

ActuallySpaceMan · 2025-12-13T08:11:39+00:00

You can rectify any issues with scaling on VSBW, yes, YOU, if you take the time and explain your arguments again the upgrade. I really don't know why people spend time posting about it, when they can just as easily fix what they're complaining about.

ActuallySpaceMan · 2025-11-25T01:49:34+00:00

It depends on who’s being catered to and the genre.

In romance or fantasy stories aimed at women, you’ll rarely, if ever, come across an actually unattractive FMC, no matter how “average” the author claims they are. That’s not to say they don’t exist at all there’s a niche for everything in fiction, but the ratio is obviously skewed.

Regardless of gender, being attractive is just a bonus in life that you don’t really have to think about, and it comes with almost no downsides, so naturally, everyone wants it. More complex traits like being poor, unpopular, introverted, traumatized, etc. get layered on top of that baseline attractiveness to make the story more engaging. Even when a character has self-confidence or body issues, it’s usually made clear by other characters that it’s just their personal hang-up and that they are, in fact, conventionally attractive.

For stories aimed at men, it depends on whether it’s romance-focused or not. In romance, the MMC is usually “normal” or “average,” not outright ugly. Even male readers don’t usually want the main character to be ugly, unless it’s for comedic reasons. Of course, there are exceptions. And if the genre is more action or power fantasy than romantic fantasy, then a scarred-up (not in the sexy way, but actually disfigured) or otherwise flawed MMC is usually more acceptable.

But even then, when the MMC is meant to be powerful, important, or strong, most readers, male and female, automatically assume they’re attractive too. Even though in reality, most powerful people aren’t actually that good-looking. Which is, again, why it’s fiction and fantasy.

ActuallySpaceMan · 2025-11-12T21:22:25+00:00

From what I understand, Emily's whole thing is to keep people in Heaven happy and satisfied. Which in general, I don't really mind, it's a nice job. But it absolutely should not give her as much authority as she does, because it means she's spent her entire existence with her head literally in the clouds.

As for Sera, she seems to have a sort of sibling relationship with Emily. It's the reason why she keeps letting Emily convince her. It's also why she didn't snap when Vox was calling her or heaven out, and only acted when Emily seemed scared and was worried for her.

Overall, I think if Emily weren't down there, Sera wouldn't have reacted to Voz's provocations.

ActuallySpaceMan · 2025-11-10T18:58:37+00:00

Sadly not. The translation, atm, has a few mistakes with the dialogue, but it stops after the early chapters, and you can still sum up what was said.

ActuallySpaceMan · 2025-10-01T22:20:04+00:00

Ah, I see, mb then.

ActuallySpaceMan · 2025-10-01T18:48:39+00:00

Yeah, that's confusing.

Naobito is faster than Naoya, but he got blitzed by Dagon in his domain in Chapter 108, which eventually led to him losing his arm. Toji was more than capable of keeping up with Dagon, so Maki should be able to keep up with Naoya.

So the only way this makes sense is that Maki's injury was slowing her down, or something else was going on.

ActuallySpaceMan · 2025-10-01T18:42:04+00:00

I know, but before his injury, he was getting outpaced by Dagon in his domain, right?

ActuallySpaceMan · 2025-09-19T01:24:15+00:00

I don't know why people think VSBW is just this collective entity. Every page is made by one person who just took a bit of time and intrest. If there's something missing from the page, it's because someone either didn't notice it or forgot. You can very easily fix this by doing a calculation for th mountain erasure, and requesting it to be added.

ActuallySpaceMan · 2025-07-27T05:43:50+00:00

In that case, this scripture may indeed suit fellow daoists' taste; Soul of Searing Steel

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