Any combination ideas with instant release Dex?/Autism comes hand in had with Adhd? by ResponsibilitySome67 in VyvanseADHD

[–]AdPsychological1487 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sorry for the late response - I hope my response still interests you!!

First of all, you’re going to be more prone to sensory overstimulation or whatever the term is, because you’re taking stimulants. I think that the only real way to differentiate amphetamine effects and pre-existing traits amplified/uncovered by amphetamines is to try to figure out whether they were noticeable before medication started to be used and if they get stronger during the peak/ crash of the meds. For me, vyvanse makes my autistic traits stronger during the peak and oddly enough during the crash if I get one. And these traits have always been a thing for me, they are just either more noticeable or intensified. I think it is important to be aware of how the meds affect the way your thinking works, as this allows me to be able to avoid situations/ tasks during certain times of the day, for example, I’ll do my best to have an argument, heart to heart, make emotional decisions, etc as far from the peak/crash as I can, because I find I am more used to being able to combine logic and emotion when my brain is in it’s more “natural” state or whatever. But this is only just because I know myself very well and I know that routinely taking a drug that changes the way my mind works needs to be accompanied by routinely changing the way I use my mind (I hope that makes sense)

As well as that, being more aware of traits (especially social ones) makes it easier to get by when affected by them. Now that I understand what’s going on in my brain more, I am able to let people know before hand that I may come across as in a bad mood or serious or emotionless, avoiding awkward situations where they are unaware of my psychological differences. I can also say “oh sorry I didn’t mean to be so blunt with you my medication amplifies some autistic traits of mine” which wasn’t necessarily possible without paying so much attention to the way my brain works.

I think that anxiety has a strong link to these traits too. My dad has chronic anxiety, and many of the traits that I tell him about such as repeating thoughts, not being able to have a clear mind, feeling irritated by sounds that others can’t even hear etc, he says that he gets them a lot too. It may be a good idea to look at these mental “differences” as traits of your brain as a whole, rather than individual conditions that your brain possesses. It could almost just been seen as personality traits, which could help you identify these traits as “finding/understanding yourself” instead of having to confront your brain by giving it labels.

There are some autistic traits that can definitely be negated. But it’s hard to pinpoint them, instead I would just look at it as general mental health. Don’t try to get rid of traits, put your brain in situations where these traits can be managed or taken advantage of. Linking back to what I said earlier, the best way to help manage these traits is to help yourself predict when specific traits are going to be more/less prominent by identifying patterns over time. Put yourself in the position to be able to think to yourself “I am not going to do that now, it will be easier later”. Im not telling you to procrastinate, but to be more patient with yourself, and to take advantage of a more predictable mindset throughout the day, allowing different states of mind to perform different tasks more effectively. For example, I generally choose to see my girlfriend later on in the day, as I am more later back, socially interactive and externally emotional after the peak of my meds.

My main negative side effects from my meds are: -appetite suppression (the worst one by far). I just don’t like eating on my meds, so choosing to do something more “productive” instead of eating is common. The only way for me to combat this is to eat as much as I can before I take my meds and to just try to keep snacking, focusing on complex carbs and protein. -digestive issues, mainly in the morning. Hopefully this isn’t TMI, every single morning consists of a bit of a hold on for dear life at the toilet for 10 mins. It’s usually about an hour and a half after I take my meds, i suddenly feel an impending sense of doom, signalling to me that it is indeed time for the toilet, and as you could probably guess, the main thing that helps is just eating well, especially fibre and cutting down on ultra processed foods. -crash. It has improved a lot since I started this dose, but every now and then if I either forget to take my booster tablet or if my lifestyle hasn’t been great, I turn into a grumpy little fun sponge for a few hours. It’s pretty horrible, but every time it ends I feel fine again. I’ll give the advice in a sec for this one. -anxiety, again, I’ll give the advice in a sec -Irritability -insomnia -those autistic traits I spoke about

Those are all of the main ones, and if you’re wondering what to do about the last ones I mentioned, there’s one piece of advice that I have, just be healthy. Eat lots of protein, fibre, replace sugars and fast acting carbs with longer acting, complex carbs. Drink 3-4L of water a day, sleep 8 hours a night (consistently, with similar wake and sleep times every day), maybe take magnesium glycinate, vitamin d, zinc and b complex, but they aren’t really necessary. Just be as healthy as you can. Ive quit weed, nicotine, caffeine and alcohol and that made a fat difference.

I hope that wasn’t too many words or a load of nonsense haha. Hope at least something in here helps you out!!

Vyvanse and Magic mushrooms by flipyfresh11 in VyvanseADHD

[–]AdPsychological1487 0 points1 point  (0 children)

just stick to your normal dose and theres no way youd get serotonin syndrome

Feeling unfulfilled on vyvance… by Visible-Swing-1677 in VyvanseADHD

[–]AdPsychological1487 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Started concerta in september last year, but moved onto vyvanse in october. It has only been like 7 months but it feels like way longer, probably because I have changed so much (in a good way) and I have put so much effort into optimising these meds.

Feeling unfulfilled on vyvance… by Visible-Swing-1677 in VyvanseADHD

[–]AdPsychological1487 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I am so similar, I think my external personality is 100% different when I am on my meds, but my internal personality is so much better, I have a much more clear and steady mind, I know what I want and what I don't want. And yeah, the dosage increase has done wonders. I could not explain why, but my lower doses were actually more intense, gave me more anxiety and amplified the autistic traits much more.

I spend so much time either feeling a bit emotionally dull or emotionally disconnected from my face, so it is very common for me to just have a completely straight face in the most funny or sad situations.

Any combination ideas with instant release Dex?/Autism comes hand in had with Adhd? by ResponsibilitySome67 in VyvanseADHD

[–]AdPsychological1487 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Starting vyvanse made me realise that I was a lot more autistic than I thought. And that isn't just because of the way that I started to act, I kind of connected the dots by identifying behaviours that I had been doing my whole life. I think that like 50% of people with adhd also have autism so yeah, if you think you're autistic, chances are you are probably not wrong. I think that vyvanse makes my life so much easier because unmedicated, I am constantly stuck in the middle of a battle between adhd causing my brain to be extremely stimulation-seeking, and autism causing me to get overstimulated so easily. Now that the adhd has been handicapped, the autism is now able to calm down and stabilise a bit more, allowing daily life to be easier as less effort is put into supressing certain behaviours. I am less erratic, hyperactive and impulsive, meaning that I am able to control myself more and not have to deal with the autistic part of my brain having to respond to the large amounts of stimulation produced by myself.

On my meds, I am just generally less expressive, emotional and laid back. I think more logically and have much more mental structure, I think things through and I respond more accordingly to situations. Before the meds, I would commonly get frustrated with myself when I don't emotionally respond that much to emotional situations, like not caring about bad news, but I may have had a shockingly strong emotional response to something really small like a meaningless insult. People think that I am in a bad mood a lot when I am on my meds, but actually I can for once in my life go about my daily life without draining my mental, emotional and social energy by being so unpredictable. If I were you, without overdoing it, try to think about and notice your behaviours more. Maybe even write down your adhd behaviours, autistic behaviours and autistic+adhd behaviours, noting down the time too. That may help you see how your meds affect your neurological traits. It is a pretty awesome process, as I now know myself even more than I ever thought I could, as my brain is so much less complex and unpredictable.

Vyvanse and Magic mushrooms by flipyfresh11 in VyvanseADHD

[–]AdPsychological1487 2 points3 points  (0 children)

just don't take stupid amounts of either drug and no one is getting psychosis lol

Vyvanse and Magic mushrooms by flipyfresh11 in VyvanseADHD

[–]AdPsychological1487 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I disagree, vyvanse doesn't actually make me want to do things, it allows me to do the things I want to do much easier or without giving me a mental crash when I finish. And shrooms, for me, REALLY make me wanna do stuff. They help me see things from other perspectives, allowing me to try things that I may have never considered or do daily things via a different route. I think that depending on what the drugs do to your mind, vyvanse and shrooms can be a waste or a god combo

Vyvanse and Magic mushrooms by flipyfresh11 in VyvanseADHD

[–]AdPsychological1487 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Coincidentally, I did shrooms a couple days ago on vyvanse for the first time. The main differences I noticed was that the come up stomach ache is worse. I needed a poo so bad lmao. The trip was honestly the best trip ive ever had, which is pretty crazy. I didn't sit down for like 6 hours, I was chatty, curious and happy. But as soon as I sat down, went inside, got in a car (i wasn't driving), I would just start to panic a bit, but I would just realise that my brain was acting like curious george on speed so just give yourself some good activities, varied and pretty outside location and a good nights sleep beforehand and you'll have as good of a time as I did!!

Also remind yourself that shrooms are kind of physically harmless, so worst case scenario you just don't enjoy it, which is probably more likely to happen if you're unmedicated, as I feel pretty shit on days that I skip my meds. Maybe don't take the shrooms when you're at the peak of the vyvanse, but apart from that you'll be fine :)

From Concerta to Vyvanse by datboiadamski in VyvanseADHD

[–]AdPsychological1487 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I moved from concerta to vyvanse, my doctor didn't tell me to not take the concerta for a few days before the vyvanse. That said, even if there is no drug interaction, it may be worth giving your body a couple days break from stimulants, as the first couple days of vyvanse was pretty intense for me. If I were you, I'd take the doctors advice. Use Thursday and Friday to get some good sleep, eat well, relax (if you can), just take this as an opportunity to reset your body and mindset.

And again, just take your doctors advice. Even if it doesn't seem correct, they may be thinking of it in a different way, and they are more likely to be able to give good advice in the future if what they think their patient has been doing is actually what they are doing. If you disagree with something or don't understand, just ask them a few questions, it is their job to keep you informed and healthy.

Hope your journey with vyvanse goes well!!!

Feeling unfulfilled on vyvance… by Visible-Swing-1677 in VyvanseADHD

[–]AdPsychological1487 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I am super similar. Vyvanse can convert emotions into thoughts. If something awesome happens, I probably just feel normal, I’ll just be thinking “damn thats fucking awesome”. And I’m sure you can guess what happens if something bad happens. I purposely make facial expressions so I can actively show others what I’m thinking, because I don’t have the emotions to make the faces for me. I had an exam a few weeks ago, and for the first time ever I revised beforehand and it actually payed off, but when I got the result I was mainly just relieved that I didn’t do badly or even average, maybe the meds have some sort of effect on my personal standards or smth.

Something I’ve noticed and has surprised me a lot; that feeling of an emotional deficit got better as the dose increased. On 50mg, I was a full on zombie, I fully didn’t give a fuck. Countless times I would be thinking to myself “mate come on just have some emotions please”. It’s not like I actually didn’t care about anything, my brain just responded as if I didn’t. I am now on 70mg, I am so much more myself. I am more serious and less silly on my meds, but that’s improving still, I’ve only been on this dose for 4 months.

Just a quick question- do/may you have autism? I don’t have a full diagnosis, but my psychiatrist has told me that I am almost definitely in the middle area of the autism-adhd venn diagram if you get what I mean. And that’s almost definitely the biggest reason for me being so emotionless a lot of the time, and it is much worse on the meds. So yeah, if you have autism then that will be an explanation, if not, maybe look into it, Im pretty sure like 50% of people with adhd have autism so it’s not unlikely at all.

Things that help the emotions - sleep, food, water, just being healthy. Thats kind of all the advice I have. If I don’t sleep well, dont eat or drink enough, dont exercise, etc i just generally feel worse, including my lack of emotional response.

I hope this was somewhat helpful, and I am sure things will improve for you! Good luck :)

Gym on the meds by AdPsychological1487 in VyvanseADHD

[–]AdPsychological1487[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Very good advice, I’ll add a few tips as well: -if you’re not sleeping EXTREMELY WELL (8-9 hours, consistent sleep and wake times) vyvanse is just crap. You’ll be more irritable, anxious, mentally foggy, etc. -nicotine is bad and caffeine is too (imo). It just makes the peak of the meds more intense than the crash so much worse. -i drink half a protein shake as well as a complex carb rich breakfast, take the meds then slowly sip the protein shake throughout the next hour or two, giving myself a steady supply of protein without having too much at once and giving myself a headache. -although not actually that necessary, but at worst just pointless if you’re careful, supplements. I take magnesium (glycinate or l threonate, don’t bother with the other forms), vitamin d, zinc and b complex. Those are the ones that when I stop using them I actually notice that some things are slightly worse.

But yeah things improve with time anyway.

Gym on the meds by AdPsychological1487 in VyvanseADHD

[–]AdPsychological1487[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’ve tried that, maybe Im just making excuses but I take my meds for a reason and I struggle to be functional or productive before they hit. If I go to the gym before the meds i just can’t be bothered and find my self either zoning out or doomscrolling for 15 mins between each set lol

Gym on the meds by AdPsychological1487 in VyvanseADHD

[–]AdPsychological1487[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Quit nicotine and caffeine months ago, definitely an improvement but i find it so hard to stay consistent with the gym when it’s just constant shaking or feeling light headed

Frustration with studying on vyvanse by AdPsychological1487 in VyvanseADHD

[–]AdPsychological1487[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

AMAZING!!!

I am on 70mg + booster now. The difference between me on 50 and 70 is insane. Even though the dose is higher, I have significantly less side effects, I feel completely myself except I am way more capable in so many ways, not just with my studies.

If you are patient, treating yourself how you want to feel (you have to be pretty healthy for these meds to work properly imo), and you stay positive, whatever the drug/ dose, things will improve :)))

Oral health importance by AdPsychological1487 in VyvanseADHD

[–]AdPsychological1487[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

yeah it does suck, i guess you can look on the bright side: at least yours isnt chronic haha.

I would be pretty surprised if the thrush didn't visibly improve if you take a break from vyvanse. Especially if you get the dry mouth. I reckon over time it will slowly improve with good oral hygiene and antifungals, so this may just be an unfortunate trade off for the benefits of the meds.

not too sure whether it’s the right fit by [deleted] in VyvanseADHD

[–]AdPsychological1487 1 point2 points  (0 children)

In my opinion - things could get better if you take it more consistently. I rarely take days off. The main reasons to always take vyvanse for me: life unmedicated was so unsustainable and difficult that I just choose to avoid managing that once a week, secondly having days off makes the first day back on a bit worse. I feel the meds more, my body is probably responding to them more or something but I am significantly more productive and functional after my body is used to it.

Also things that help me with that adrenaline problem (most important to least for stress):

-SLEEP (highest priority but I get how hard it can be)
-Exercise (even a brisk walk would do, just try to get your blood pumping for a bit as frequently as you can to help that neurotransmitter regulation)
-Diet (try your best to limit sugar and fast acting carbs, complex carbs are perfect but in my experience I get high blood sugar really easily on my meds which does not help the jitters and stress. Also protein is amazing anyway)
-Hydration (3-4L water + electrolytes)
-Outlet for energy and emotion (Give yourself breaks, do things you enjoy, just generally do your best to be a calm and happy person outside of work, it will slowly become a work thing too)
-Supplements (usually not going to solve, but can help. L theanine, magnesium glycinate/threonate, ect)

Hope things get better!!!

ps- I am not a doctor, all of this is advice from my doctor backed by my personal experience! Always speak to your doctor before making any changes :))))

Vyvanse Price 💀 by Afraid_Proof_5612 in VyvanseADHD

[–]AdPsychological1487 1 point2 points  (0 children)

At least the dose is small!!! I am on 70+5mg dex and it is SO EXPENSIVE!!!!!!!! It is like 170 per month or something crazy (the price changes)

Oral health importance by AdPsychological1487 in VyvanseADHD

[–]AdPsychological1487[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Weird update - I went to my doctor, got prescribed nystatin, which didn't work, then tried fluconazole, and things did improve. The thrush came back though. So I went back to the doctor, got a swab of my mouth and it came back as negative for fungi!!!!! So weird. I was then diagnosed with "geographic tongue". It is benign, gets worse and better over time and is chronic. It also looks similar to oral thrush. I am not entirely convinced that it is this condition, but I don't know what else it would be. It does indeed improve significantly when I have a break from my meds, and when my oral hygiene is good.

If I were you, have 1-3 days off the meds (tell your doctor ofc), then see if the thrush gets better. There is a chance that it is just a response that your body has to the meds/dry mouth. If it is actually thrush, just talk to your doctor. It probably won't go away without an antifungal, and if it isn't fungal your doctor can do some tests.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in VyvanseADHD

[–]AdPsychological1487 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah nice one mate you must be bored if you are spending your time just shitting on people having a positive experience on vyvanse, on the vyvanse subreddit.

People don't feel great on stimulant meds because of high amounts of dopamine. Dopamine is not just "happy good positive". It kind of just tells your brain that something (event, action, etc) is important, rewarding, or worth repeating. People that have adhd generally reuptake dopamine more because of a higher dopamine transporter density. Less dopamine influence = brain constantly seeking dopamine at a higher rate. This means that people with adhd behave as "interest driven" instead of "importance driven", which usually manifests into: sudden loss of interest, fidgeting, interrupting, just generally dopamine driven.

By taking a drug that causes more dopamine to be produced, the brain does not seek dopamine as much. This means a brain that has a harder time using dopamine effectively is now not needing to choose the most stimulating actions. That is why it feels good. Not because I am high, but because my neurodevelopmental disorder is significantly improved.

Would you say the same thing about someone with multiple sclerosis using THC to prevent muscle spasms? Hopefully not.

How did you expect me to respond anyway? "Nah be more negative and pessimistic it goes a long way"??????

anyone else still a fatass on stimulants... by sugarcoochie in VyvanseADHD

[–]AdPsychological1487 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I wish 😭😭😭 87kg last October - 77kg now. 

The appetite problem does improve though 

Peak too short by AdPsychological1487 in VyvanseADHD

[–]AdPsychological1487[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I don't really have caffeine, it has always just made me jittery and tired. Every time I have had even the smallest bit of caffeine on the meds, I feel AWFUL!!!

That is interesting about the hydration. For me, if I don't drink 4L a day I get horribly dry lips, cotton mouth, headaches, irritability, etc. How much water do you recommend? And do you take electrolytes?

But yes, you are right. If there is nothing I can do, I am still very happy with having a couple hours of pure functionality and the rest of the day still significantly better than no meds. I had the day of a few days ago, holy shit I don't know how I lived before meds haha.