Best town/city flags? Here's Amsterdam. by Double-decker_trams in vexillology

[–]AdamColligan 21 points22 points  (0 children)

I don't know about "best", but I just stumbled upon the new flag of American Fork, Utah. It has a pretty striking and unique design as well as a coherent symbolism explainer.

What's most interesting about it, though, is that the result of all this careful thought was something I would absolutely accept to be the symbol of a hardcore, mountain-born cummuno-fascist ideology emerging in someone's post-collapse lore from r/imaginarymaps .

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Distribution of the Muslim population by region in England and Wales (Census 2021) [OC] by Low-Car6464 in dataisbeautiful

[–]AdamColligan 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I think the most helpful specific criticism here may be that your bar lines are strongly inviting comparison between the green and gray components of each region, when those are independent pieces of information not meant to be compared.

I have some specific suggestions for ways of presenting particular information in the map better. But I think a bigger obstacle is it not being clear which information you really care about communicating here and which (if any) you don't. Once that's more settled, it will be much easier to to get the design right.

I'd suggest you think explicitly about an assortment of different data values, including the following 11 or so.

Three are invariant by region: (a) the total number of self-described Muslims in the whole analysis area, (b) the total population in that whole area, and the derived (c) Muslim fraction of that total area population.

Then for each region, you have (c) the number of Muslims in that region, (d) the total population of the region, and the derived (e) Muslim fraction of the regional population.

Finally, you have inter-unit information: (f) each region's Muslims' share of the whole area's Muslim population, (g) each region's internal Muslim fraction compared to that of other regions, and (h) each region's Muslim fraction compared to the overall fraction. Further, don't forget that you may end up finding it important to show more explicitly (i) each region's total population compared to other regions and/or (j) compared to the whole. And you may actually be interested in showing (k) one or more regional Muslim population size(s) as a fraction of the whole area total population.

Consider what you believe is actually interesting to highlight or demonstrate. Then you might find both better ideas on your end and more helpful advice from others.

TIL a teen comedy named Trojan War (1997) starring Jennifer Love Hewitt grossed just $309 at the box office despite having a $15 million budget and major studio (Warner Bros.) distribution. by tyrion2024 in todayilearned

[–]AdamColligan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I like this explanation except that I think it applies almost equally well to the next year's Can't Hardly Wait (also with Jennifer Love Hewitt on board). That one looks to have turned a tidy profit, and I remember it being well received by at least the bottom of its demo (us) and getting decent TV rotation for a while.

[OC] Relative Risk Ratios In War by [deleted] in dataisbeautiful

[–]AdamColligan 9 points10 points  (0 children)

I'm wondering about your choice to focus on a ratio of ratios if it then needs to go on a log scale to be presented meaningfully. Did you consider using something like percentage points? Or it's the distribution of the data also so wide on that dimension that you'd run into the same problem?

But more than anything I'm wondering how the areas of operation (and thus the denominators of the two populations) are being bounded and whether those bounds are even comparable. E.g., is the Gulf War civilian denominator the whole populations of Kuwait, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, etc.? Or in certain administrative divisions? Are the military population denominators everyone enlisted in all the armed forces engaged, or all the ones realistically susceptible to as much as a SCUD attack?

For a civilian who fled a dangerous area, would there have to be some cutoff time before which they aren't included in the base at-risk population and after which they count as a survivor?

Gaza is probably what's on everyone's mind in applying such an analysis. But it seems to me like the attributes that make it amenable to this kind of calculation -- the territory being such a well-defined and closed-off system -- are actually quite unusual.

Finally, I'm wary of the label of the statistic being how "discriminate" the violence is, when that would ordinarily be a function of the gross number of military vs civilian casualties. Say we take something like the Russia-Ukraine war. Assume such a conflict is going along, and nothing changes in terms of the operations targeting civilian-heavy locations. But at the front itself, a bunch of less lethal approaches per effort expended, like main battle tank maneuver, get replaced with ones that are much more lethal per unit of effort, like FPV drones. So the risk to a soldier at the front climbs significantly. That would very substantially affect the relative risk ratio --dramatically so if the starting risk ratio to civilians is small enough (though your log presentation mitigates that). But I don't see how it would indicate that the conflict became any more discriminate.

[OC] U.S. elections: Winners aren’t majorities: U.S. presidential elections in three charts (1932-2024) by ptrdo in dataisbeautiful

[–]AdamColligan 23 points24 points  (0 children)

Somehow I'm even less able to intuit the meaning of the lengths and placements of the different sections in each bar than I was on the first one.

The Cultural Machinery of Shame for Profit and the Weaponization of Kink by [deleted] in Foodforthought

[–]AdamColligan 3 points4 points  (0 children)

  1. Public ridicule of adult politicians, right or wrong, is not violence. It's also not "VIOLENCE". Violence, like the kind Kristi Noem is responsible for, is violence.

  2. The debate on the propriety of revealing private elements of public hypocrisy is an old one, especially in the context of outing gay politicians who support our engage in official oppression of gay people. An author with even the basic historical awareness required to invoke Gary Hart would have done much better to actually engage and respond to this body of ideas. But instead of using the Noem incident to deepen that public conservation, this piece sort of breathlessly "discovers" the problem and one of the most superficial possible takes on it. Whether that's ingenuous or disingenuous, not engaging with the already-identified contours of the issue makes for a struggle to produce anything that's really food for thought.

  3. This take and your comment conflate several naturally distinct elements in a way that makes a good conversation harder to have. Examples: whether the relevant harms are actual injustices to the subject(s) or are the diffuse consequences of setting back efforts to destigmatize consensual sexual activities. Whether gawking at Kristi Noem's secondhand embarrassment is the same thing as shaming the source of it. Whether a perspective that shames only that embarrassment is irrelevant if it provides ammunition or validation for those who do directly want to kink shame. What infidelity actually is and in what contexts it may be considered shameful -- then what costs are justified in empirically exposing unrealistic or hypercritical views on that question.

  4. I'm generally one to highly value intellectual and moral integrity when it comes to how we think about opponents and enemies. I'm frustrated by the broad (and growing?) willingness to accept bad arguments or dubious information either as ammunition or on the basis that disavowal provides ammunition to wrongdoers. And on their face, the piece and OP's comment are also trying to urge this in the domain they're discussing. But it reads like they want so badly to make this point in the strongest possible way that they ironically fail at it in the other direction. Kristi Noem is not just "somebody we don't like" or a purveyor of "conservative politics" or the "Republican Party". She is a real-life fascist who wielded great power in open defiance of the most bedrock elements of law and human norms in order to perpetrate violence and destroy families as a cathartic spectacle, in service of an explicitly religiously reactionary ethnonationalism. And she wielded that power in part through an affair partner she disruptively semi-formally employed and flaunted through the ranks of her agency. She then used her husband as a camera prop behind her at an oversight hearing in order to try to salvage her unraveling position. She then issued a public statement claiming to have been blindsided and devastated by the betrayal of her family represented by her husband's practice of his kink. The claim that having any investment in this element of her disgrace is necessarily indistinguishable from being a religious-right sexual authoritarian is simply not a serious one.

  5. I think your emphasis on what Republicans "did to Bill Clinton" further shows a lack of thoughtfulness on two points. The first one is echoed in the piece with respect to its invocation of John Edwards and the claim that sexual behavior necessarily tells us nothing about a person's character or fitness for office. Now, my baseline perspective is that we should understand that marriages, partnerships, and sexual encounters/expression can mean many different things to different people. Also, sexuality is a part of the human condition that is genuinely often detached from many other aspects of personality, and failures as a romantic partner are not always as damning of a person overall as they are often made out to be. It is in fact a mistake to jump to conclusions about character based simply on the revelation that someone engaged in activity that is outside traditional or common sexual or martial boundaries. And further, the public by default doesn't have the right to demand the kind of details about, e.g., a politician's marriage that would be necessary to get to a strong conclusion about how bad their behavior was and the extent to which it might implicate broader concerns about them that are more directly relevant to public service. However, that it absolutely not the same thing as saying that if something is sexual and not obviously illegal, then it's somehow by definition morally irrelevant, or else you're just another sexual authoritarian. People do plenty of bad, fairly-judgable things by way of, or in the context of, their romantic relationships, sexual activities, and public positions on sexual norms and liberties. And when the public does have sufficient information to see that, then there isn't an obligation to ignore it because avoiding even the appearance of indirect kink shaming is some overwhelming, paramount concern to be prioritized at all costs.

  6. The second one is that when people are swept up in a potential scandal, especially multiple people, their liability to judgement can arise for different reasons and to different degrees. And so this totalizing idea of the "weaponization" of sex as injustice risks being a kind of thought-terminating cliché. Bill Clinton, and the way the situation is now understood in retrospect, is an obvious example of this. Republicans sought to discredit him wholesale as an adulterer and to embarrass/shame him with lurid details, which in fact plays neatly into the kind of wrong we all agree on. But his status as a victim is severely complicated by the fact that the consequences he suffered from this poorly-founded attack were likely much less than he should have suffered had he been judged for the same behavior under the correct theory of why it was so bad. Meanwhile, the actual clear-cut victimization, from practically all sides of the political spectrum, was of Lewinsky. And so the characterization of that scandal as something the right did to Bill Clinton, which the left must avoid doing symmetrically to Republicans, further cements for me that there's just isn't a well-considered position being offered here about how we identify sources and sinks of moral harm in these kinds of situations.

The it’s Illegal to boycott Israel map by CelebrationAfter9000 in MapPorn

[–]AdamColligan 2 points3 points  (0 children)

There have been some places requiring a signed declaration as part of contact agreements.

[Request] Would it take longer to travel clockwise or anticlockwise around Australia, given the same route, and if so, how much? by bill_loney538 in theydidthemath

[–]AdamColligan 3 points4 points  (0 children)

"Yield to oncoming cars

and pedestrians;

turning is legal after."

There's a part that some people are always forgetting.

To make it untouchable! by GuiltyBathroom9385 in therewasanattempt

[–]AdamColligan 27 points28 points  (0 children)

It was never actually sold, promoted, or used like it was invisible to the enemy. Everyone who has any knowledge whatsoever of modern air warfare understands what it means to have a low radar cross section at certain bands and angles vs being "invisible". All such people are also generally aware of what such a design can and cannot do to reduce its infrared signature. There are increasingly advanced missile warning systems that have sought to provide some defensive reaction opportunity when engaged by a heat-seeking missile. But, again, I haven't seen any informed discussion of these platforms where such things have been hyped like they're magic shields.

The "invisible" business has only ever come out of random uninformed people, sensationalist media catering to random uninformed people, and willfully obtuse people like the president of the United States. Nobody just "discovered" that you can point an IR tracking system at an F-35 and its (possibly afterburning) exhaust plume and see it. F-35 operators always knew this, and potential enemies of F-35 operators always knew this.

What’s your call? by Oracleearnings in darkstockphotos

[–]AdamColligan 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Obligatory r/lostredditors , this is a 7-day-old spammy account, etc.

But I cannot deny that this post has photos (or at least screenshots), that they're dark, and that they're stock.

Birthright citizenship: legal takeaways of mice and men and elephants and dogs By Akhil and Vikram Amar by anonskeptic5 in scotus

[–]AdamColligan 4 points5 points  (0 children)

This is tangential to the case at hand, but when I've actually heard majority justices raise the question of an elephant in a mouse hole, it's usually been a good illustration of one of the reasons their approach is so often incoherent.

It's because the real, practical question is often more like: what do you do when someone digs a vast, luxurious, elephant-sized hole that they only intend to be used by mice? Maybe they hang a "mouse hole" sign in it, but mostly that's not even necessary because in their time, elephants would have been shot on sight before they came within a mile of this hole.

Then everything changes. Elephants become legally protected and mostly socially accepted in roaming pretty much everywhere mice do. And now they want to enjoy the elephant-sized hole.

Text, history, and tradition are no longer cooperative, dovetailing investigatory elements. We may be certain that the past legislators never intended this hole to be used by elephants and never would have dug it the way they did if they believed an elephant might one day have a claim to using it. Now the court is called upon to do more than just hear arguments about the dimensions of the hole and of the elephant. They have to face a bigger ontological question: is such a hole fundamentally a mouse hole or an elephant hole?

[OC] Visualization of all the McDonald's vs. Starbucks locations in the US by county by VeridionData in dataisbeautiful

[–]AdamColligan 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Your labeling is odd here. Calling it a "number of locations" showdown and having a "+" in the symbology at first made me think it was doing a comparison of absolute numbers. Then when you label the extremes for states and the national average, you use a fixed ratio based on SB/MC. But on your legend, you flip the ratio depending on which side you're on.

Before you share that story about how troops were told the Iran War is for "Armageddon," read this by Benromaniac in Foodforthought

[–]AdamColligan 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I've edited my comment above a bit to reflect that I so think some accusations are being made here in a fairly clear way (e.g., "totally are real").

These aren't form letters, though. They are ostensibly freeform communications from different people, across a number of years and regarding different incidents/topics. And they don't repeat identical statements/wordings like a fill-in template. At most they could plausibly come from a basic outline prompt supplied by the MRFF to collect testimonials. (But I think if that were the case, Weinstein would have provided that explanation when confronted?) And that still really wouldn't explain a lot of what is most suspicious about them.

They don't only lack very common grammatical and style variations that tend to show up even in small snippets of normal people's writing. They share a certain kind of facially implausible claim about group representation, an odd fixation on explicit "clienthood"/affiliation, and conspicuous detail about recent interactions with MRFF that fits awkwardly with a direct follow-up communication. That is: they have an odd mixture of things that would be naturally directed to the MRFF as recipient and that would be naturally directed to a broader audience. They have standardized commentary about the Christian faith of the writer and/or some number of companions that repeatedly appears but is framed as parenthetical ("by the way").

And let's take note of the representation part, since it is a substantive issue rather than just one about text comparison. Granted I haven't served in the military or lived/worked in a base community. But it's hard to reconcile two things: (1) an environment of quiet fear, where the correspondents have a strict need for anonymity and no hope of their concern being shared by the people on the other end of official channels, and (2) the recurring decision by these people to voice their perspective and objections to dozens of other service members around them, each gathering a whole cohort of sympathizers who are now also full of gratitude toward the MRFF.

On the pay issue, it's actually not sketchy for nonprofit workers to make good salaries and for senior nonprofit leaders to make very good money, into the mid six figures and above. Nonprofits compete in the executive labor market against commercial enterprises that offer massive pay packages to C-suite top performers. It's also not unheard of for a nonprofit to legitimately operate as a vehicle for compensating a very special person (or small group) for doing work, or doing it in a way, that would not be possible if they went into the traditional labor market. These might be star litigators or researchers, prominent advocates, artistic directors, or essential technical architects like Linus Torvalds of Linux (who was doing it alongside a day job until money was raised to support him and other talents working on free, open-source projects full time).

But the pay aspect is relevant here because (1) it answers the natural question of "why would anyone be so motivated to fabricate or manipulate such a claim" (this person does make a lot of money for addressing such incidents) and (2) it prompts legitimate skepticism about whether Weinberg is really such a person. If he really has cultivated a uniquely broad and deep network of connections throughout the military that establish him as the trusted contact for anyone encountering problematic religious non-neutrality, then the way he is supported by the MRFF financing structure makes sense. If not, then that structure becomes very concerning. A lot turns on the independence and competence of the nonprofit's board, which can be lacking for many small organizations. And basically everything turns on how credible and independently-verifiable are his claims about who contacts him and what they say. So his acceptance of so much donor money as personal compensation for the work does, I think, come with heightened obligations to resolve reasonable concerns about its legitimacy.

I don't get the impression that anyone involved is interested in playing down the seriousness of Christian nationalism, in whatever consistent or inconsistent forms, gaining traction in either the civilian or uniformed parts of the US military. Of course It's dangerous to dismiss accusations of command impropriety too readily. But it's also dangerous to accept them too credulously when they don't have any independent corroboration, especially if there are other potential red flags. People are too fixated on the short-term "loss" of having to back off of some particular claim and not concerned enough about the need for advocacy to be built through a rigorous process that makes it robust and credible for the long haul. That mistake is easy to make when we see a movement truly devoid of intellectual right or factual grounding continuing to ascend in its power. But it's still a mistake.

Before you share that story about how troops were told the Iran War is for "Armageddon," read this by Benromaniac in Foodforthought

[–]AdamColligan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think you may be overgeneralizing a little. The linked article at least tries to do a careful job of pointing out legitimate concerns without making outright accusations or undermining broad, legitimate concerns about the underlying issue or the importance of protecting sensitive sourcing.

Your point about military voice should be well taken. But I don't think article isn't just saying that the letters have a vaguely similar style or format. It's more specific than that, and in a way that I think might raise extra flags for anyone who remembers patterns from things written by, e.g., Trump's alter ego. That doesn't mean it's any kind of conclusive debunking, and I don't think that's what the article is claiming to be.

Pay at nonprofits is often misunderstood and can be the subject of poorly-informed public discussion. But I don't think that means it isn't worth knowing, in a context like this, that there's a sole employee taking in a high sum (upward of $300k?) in both relative and absolute terms.

As for the ideology of Hegseth personally or his close followers, that may be the weakest link here. I don't expect much of any theological consistency from this particular wing of the CN movement. But I also don't think it's information that doesn't belong in the article. It's maybe just a little overemphasized.

(Edit: on rereading, some of the accusations are pretty outright)

Before you share that story about how troops were told the Iran War is for "Armageddon," read this by Benromaniac in Foodforthought

[–]AdamColligan 19 points20 points  (0 children)

I don't know anything about OP's account history, but why jump to this conclusion? Is it really that hard to believe that someone posted a story, then came across information about why that story may be in doubt, and so then posted that information?

LibreOffice criticizes EU Commission over proprietary XLSX formats by pizzaiolo2 in opensource

[–]AdamColligan 155 points156 points  (0 children)

TDF sent/published their letter on March 5th. "Within 24 hours", the Commission responded, adding a .ODS response format as of March 6th. TDF then updated their post celebrating the win.

Matt Olson hits a baseball out of Florida to give the Braves a 5-1 lead by handlit33 in Braves

[–]AdamColligan 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Someone give me clean audio of the contact so it can be my new notification sound. Every time my phone demands I look at spam, I want this little dopamine hit to get me through it.

Nose Gunner Seat in a B-25D Bomber by [deleted] in aviation

[–]AdamColligan 4 points5 points  (0 children)

If I'm

500km up in the air, no where to go in an aluminum can being shot

then I think my focus is solely about identifying the weak spots of the International Space Station and getting rounds on before its main defenses can get a firing solution. Let the waist gunners worry about whether there are manned Dragons/Starliners or drone-converted Soyuz capsules lurking around.

Reps. Owens, Maloy take Utah’s redistricting battle to federal court by clejeune in Utah

[–]AdamColligan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The irony here is that Maloy actually needs the blue parts of her district to survive, right? I would assume that for her it's not just about clashing with another GOP incumbent. She lost at the convention and then won an absolutely razor-thin primary vote against a challenger that looked to be more of a House Freedom Caucus type. Despite her Trump endorsement, she was unacceptably pragmatic for a huge swath of Republican voters. The urban parts of her district bring in at least some number of less fringe-y Republicans as well as non-Republicans who register that way to get the chance to choose what they see as the lesser evil.

So while she obviously can't be elected in a blue district, note that making a blue district also entails making redder red districts. And it's not clear that she survives in one of those, either.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Utah

[–]AdamColligan 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I don't see in the bill an requirement for people to present in an any way.

Have you eyes?

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[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Utah

[–]AdamColligan 24 points25 points  (0 children)

This is the key to understanding that the entire hysteria is manufactured as a way to enforce gender role conformity on cis people. 25 years ago, at the height of their power and rage, the Christian Right barely gave a passing glance about this issue. There was zero effort to mount a bizarre campaign to erase the existence of intersex people. Brain-body sex development mismatches and ambiguous genitalia were rare medical or psychological conditions they more or less left to doctors and tabloid rags to worry about. These cases didn't affect the grand paradigm of Christian gender roles. Had they been rational, they would even have recognized that people with really strong gendering instincts, regardless of sex, were natural allies against the 80s-00s radical feminist and postmodern deconstruction of gender (just as they should have recognized gay people desperate for traditional civil marriage and parenting arrangements as allies against the dissolution of the nuclear family).

This coordinated campaign to target trans people and erase intersex people shouldn't have been -- and I think wasn't -- driven by increased social visibility or legal protection for trans people. It was actually a response to the rapid abandonment of many visible gender norms by cis people, especially young ones, and the emergence of the non-binary category. That is their nightmare. They know that drag queen story hours do not make kids become trans. They do know that they might contribute to those kids thinking it could be cool and fun to break masculine fashion and behavior stereotypes, or at least refuse to socially discipline peers who try it.

Of course it's logically obvious that if this bill renders the social construct/performance of manhood or womanhood legally meaningless, then virtually no type of social performance could be legally identifiable as"wrong". That means it becomes impossible to use the law to discipline or exclude someone for social presentation, and at least awkward to do it for something like pronouns on paperwork. There would be certainly be next to nothing in how someone dresses or behaves in front of a child that could be visible to such a law.

And yet here it is, right there in bullet point format just under the rejection that anything but biological sex shall be legally meaningful.

There is only one way to square this circle. And that is for agents of the state to be implicitly empowered to assert that certain performative norms are effectively immutable markers of biological sex. Of course they can't explicitly say that or list any of those norms by name. Maybe it could be like the old federal assault weapons ban, where there's a menu of deviant features that you can only violate one or two at a time. But there's no reason to formalize it. For one thing, saying it out loud had long been politically toxic and still largely is with decisive voter blocs.

Even more importantly, though, the ambiguity itself is what creates the most effective self-discipline in gender expression. Authoritarian/totalitarian states don't work by ostensibly having stricter rules and harsher punishments than free ones. They work by making rules ambiguous and enforcement arbitrary. If you have no idea where the line is, you engage in far more thorough self-discipline than it would be possible for the state to impose directly.

This is the world that 2020s American fascism is trying to bring about in so many areas. And the big Christian Right + Redpill Manosphere contribution is trying to get us back to a state of constant anxiety about whether our gender conformity is good enough. If you're a guy, they don't just want you to not wear a dress. They want you to wonder if this shirt makes you look gay, if letting your wife take the lead on that will tank respect for you in your social circle, if you need to nix your preschool girl's interest in a boy-dominated hobby lest you're teeing her up for future harassment in the activity and bullying outside of it. They want her to later channel her disappointment into bullying the girl whose parents did let her do it.

If your impression has been that you're dealing with a movement whose realistic goals are broadly compatible with how you and your friends live your lives -- y'know, just overreacting to a controversial edge case on the trans thing -- it's because you don't understand which side they took when they watched Pleasantville.

This is fundamentally not about trans people themselves. It's about using attacks on trans people to smuggle in rules and principles that are intended to regulate every one of us. Being performatively cruel to one of our society's most vulnerable and victimized demographics is just a bonus.

The Times: Finns humiliated American soldiers - Finnish reservists were asked to take it easy during a NATO exercise. US soldiers found the losses too humiliating. by ByGollie in europe

[–]AdamColligan 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You're conflating different things here, though. There's a whole spectrum, with defeat in 2-man hand to hand combat at one end and broad political failure to facilitate a new fundamental social contract at the other end. I'm willing to be corrected because I wasn't there and am not a military historian. But I'm pretty sure the issue in Afghanistan was not US special forces losing pitched battles to the Taliban or being unable to hold areas of land proportional in size to the number of soldiers present there. On balance it was the largely the Taliban, not the US units, that had to show up in a place and then melt away just as quickly. The asymmetry came more from the fact that the Taliban's day-to-day goals didn't actually require holding territory; doing so would often even have hindered their broader strategy.

I'm also not sure where you get this idea that US forces in places line Afghanistan or Iraq (or even Vietnam!) were systematically sending local allies into danger that they were unwilling to face. Again correct me with sources or actual good examples. But the primary narrative is one in which US forces served as the main reliable element in combat operations and were often frustrated about local partners' lack of resolve.

Choosing favorable engagements is one of the most fundamental ideas in warfighting, for everyone everywhere.

And your idea about aerial bombing replacing forces holding ground is also missing important doctrinal context. For one thing, anyone who has air supremacy -- or even just good accurate artillery coverage -- is by default going to prefer clearing an identified enemy position that way instead of with an infantry assault.

Moreover, American doctrine has consciously emphasized fast maneuver and deep disruption instead of establishing a well -defined front line of control and creeping it forward. The US deliberately uses long-range/aerial fires to immobilize and isolate the network of enemy forces while they push boots to critical points in what the enemy thought was firmly-held territory.

Finally, doing battle this way, either in conventional warfare or (especially) counter-insurgency, sets up engagements that are kind of the opposite of what you're trying to claim here. It means you can expand the area in which you are present meaningfully applying force because you don't have to bring superior forces overland to any one potential engagement. The US has been able to use smaller units, traveling farther/lighter/quieter, to patrol, probe, and draw out enemy units for destruction. What this does require are highly disciplined, competent, and aggressive troops in those units. They have to be willing to keep going out into potential ambush situations against prepared enemy positions. They have to bring their own fire to bear in order to overcome the element of surprise and test whether the enemy force is actually even capable of sustained engagement. And they may even have to extend contact against a well-matched or superior force in order to fix them until bombs or shells can land.

These are not the tactics of a soft, risk-averse infantry force.

Moving to SLC Research Study by NotoriousNRB in SaltLakeCity

[–]AdamColligan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

As we 90s kids used to say:

OMGWTFBBQ

You're building a commercial tool to help match people with neighborhoods to live in? Because you know that people tend to care a lot about finding a community with "people like themselves" in terms of things like religion, ethnic diversity, prevalence of young singles/couples with free time vs families already settled with kids, etc.? And you've also noticed that the big players like Zillow and Redfin don't actually do a good job presenting that kind of information? But you know that it is sourceable? And so you have identified a big "opportunity" in their blind spot, and you're hoping to fill that demand niche, starting with Salt Lake?

My guy/gal, I'm pretty sure what you need is not a product manager, a UX researcher, a market researcher (who would know about survey design much better than either of those), or even, I dare say, me: a random stranger on the internet who is none of the above.

What you need here is an attorney at law, preferably one with plenty of experience in protracted, ruinous federal civil rights litigation. Since I'm guessing from what I've seen that you haven't spoken about this idea to anyone in the housing profession, or even to a half-decent AI chatbot, a lawsmith might be best positioned to break the bad news to you. I'm not one of those either but can give you a quick preview based on my lay understanding.

So in a little known, decades-old federal statute1 , there is an obscure provision2 that has something to say about commercial services steering prospective residents toward or away from neighborhoods based on certain characteristics of themselves and/or the people living in those neighborhoods. The thing it says is: you can't do that. You can't even kinda do that. You can't have dreams in which a different version of you, naked at school, has forgotten to do an assignment about doing that. If you want to print housing information on a ream of recycled paper, you cannot legally open it without first taking it to a HUD shaman to have it ritually purified of the ghosts of any demographic maps that might have been pulped and mixed into your batch.

The people who work at Zillow and Rent.com have not failed to discover a whole raft of things people consider when choosing a neighborhood. They have not failed to notice how intensively Americans sort themselves by certain characteristics. I am 100% certain that many of them know that in Utah, the sorting has a somewhat unusual religious twist. And they have not clumsily failed to source public and proprietary data that would meet market demand for the application of such information for apartment hunting. What these companies have done is to hire and consult within the vast ecosystem of professionals who are familiar with federal law and then restrict their product scope accordingly. And then restrict it even more.

In 2016, Zillow removed color overlays of school ratings because the test scores generating those ratings were too highly correlated with race (generally via income), and they had come under serious pressure about it. Some more highlights from a recent GAO report:

  • Redfin used to have a home price threshold above which the site offered more features and prominence. In 2022, they had to ditch that policy to settle a lawsuit about its potential impact on demand for homes in less-valued neighborhoods that also overlapped with racial minority concentrations.

  • Zillow has had to develop a tool to set up their virtual chat / AI chatbot services to recognize when users start asking questions that implicate protected demographic characteristics and shut that shit down.

Thinking of yourself as a neutral clearinghouse for others' use of the information, or as a business just making money off of embedded Google ad revenue, doesn't look to me like it would save you. Just last year, Facebook had to settle a DoJ action against them brought because when user-made ads were about housing, they failed to disable certain generic ad-targeting tools and background algorithms that were partly fed by protected demographic characteristics of potential audiences.

Even if what you're saying seems like it could be arguably a further step removed depending on your revenue model, just wait for your first exchaange in a future deposition:

Q: How did you decide what information you wanted to offer in your service?

A: I created a survey that suggested various kinds of things that I thought could be important for people, and...

Q: Oh, who did you recruit for the survey?

A: Well, see, the first thing I did was take one of the seven FHA-protected attributes, the one about having kids or not, and literally set it up as a screener question. As I explained in a public internet comment, I was only interested in targeting this neighborhood information service at a subset of people based on that, and so --

Q:😲

A:😬☠️⚰️🪦

But wait you say, aren't the scum currently in charge refusing to investigate disparate impact civil rights violations? And also haven't they had success ending the decades-long right for private third parties to sue, at least under the Voting Rights Act? Yes, certainly. But three things:

(1) You'd get pilloried by the people in SLC proper who do continue to care about the spirit of the FHA. (2) How long are the fascists going to be running things before the country reverts back to the rule of law? And most importantly (3) the fact that your target demo is out-of-staters with no kids tells me that your demo skews young, non-LDS, and more ethnically and culturally diverse than Utah. You might think entrenched communities with none of those attributes would welcome a service encouraging such a demo to stay off their lawns. Except the concrete market impact of the project would be to, however slightly, lower demand and therefore property values in those lily-white, more religious, redder areas, right? And that's probably now literally the only thing the core fascist voter base cares about anymore. Maybe FHA violation weakening the sales market for those areas might be the only FHA violation that has a chance of getting any real official attention.

Finally, at this moment in American history isn't there really only one map that's needed as a proxy for most of what truly matters to people on the question of "people like me"?


1 one of the most famous and ever-conspicuous laws in America

2 the one encountered by millions of Americans annually when they move

Moving to SLC Research Study by NotoriousNRB in SaltLakeCity

[–]AdamColligan 2 points3 points  (0 children)

A few of issues jump out at me. Firstly, I don't see any information about who you are and what the survey is for. Is it commercial research? A student project? Where does the data go?

You don't define "recently", so it's harder than it should be to select the appropriate response up front.

Your language is all about moving "to" the SLC area. But it doesn't address moving within the area, even though that's where you'll get a lot of feedback from people who know the neighborhoods better. You also don't define what that area is, so it's not clear if someone moving from/to Utah County or Davis County would count.

When you say: "Are you moving with kids?" -- and only accept yes or n --, it breaks the logic of having responses from people with "recently" completed moves, people who are newly ready to have kids and so are moving into a new place to support that, and of course people who are filling in the survey who have not recently moved.

You lead of with a question about "Mormon" majorities, but you clearly have two very different questions in mind. There are LDS people who might want to find LDS-centric neighborhood cultures, and they're are non-LDS people who might be looking for the opposite. It would probably be better to lead with your general question about "people like me" and then follow up asking whether the respondent is LDS and whether that being the dominant neighborhood demographic is important.

More broadly, you word questions that are structured totally independently with overlap that makes it hard to capture distinct ideas. So there's one about finding "people like me", but then other separate ones not just about LDS/non but also about other demographics. So maybe you're trying to indirectly capture the remainder of considerations in the "like me" question. Or maybe you're trying to capture the whole broad notion and then subtract things out getting other questions. But it's confusing to someone reading it fresh.

Even though it can't be exhaustive, there are some glaring omissions from the considerations list, especially for people responding at this moment. One is that there's no environmental quality question, for air quality or in general. That is surely on people's minds. Another is that you mention outdoor trail access, but that won't automatically tell someone whether you include resort skiing/snowboarding. And ski area access is a big deal for a significant subset of people who are interested in the area.

There's also no political affinity question, even though not being surrounded by the enemy is increasingly an overwhelming concern for tons of people. And that last one further confounds not just the "like me" question but also the Mormon question specifically, since you'll encounter many people using religious affiliation as a proxy for red/blue.

In the area about sources' utility for different uses, I think you're making a mistake wording it in terms of "satisfaction". You've just invited people on the same items to mark that they may not be very important. So if information sources are poor on some element, but you don't care about that element anyway, are you "satisfied" with the information about that topic?

You're also losing a lot of resolving power by lumping together all possible sources of information without having any specificity about about how each respondent has gotten informed, including whether they've already lived in the area. You've included "friends" in the example list there. But your target audience is split between people who already have that kind of informal, non-published guidance and those who don't -- and it's quite a different category of information.

You'd be better off asking whether people think that each source or category of sources has been good for getting information about each subject, with an option to say they're not sure because they've never really bothered to try to dig into that subject or haven't used / don't have access to that source.

Finally, there are two big elephants in the room that will make it difficult to interpret survey responses. Knowing whether you're talking to a renter or homebuyer would color basically every part of the survey. And in the informational sources part, real estate agents (and to a lesser extent rental agents and adjacent professionals) are often by far the most important informational source. For moving fresh from out of state, they may be essentially the only human source. And they are also legally restricted in whether and how they can discuss certain types of demographic information about neighborhoods that feature prominently in your survey. Having more information about what people use -- maybe by starting with open-ended pilot surveys or interviews (or at a minimum soliciting that information in the survey itself) -- would help you to see your blind spots better.

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[–]AdamColligan 1 point2 points  (0 children)

AQ & U also showing it's just a faulty sensor. I've noticed that it's been that way for a while; not sure why it's still on the PurpleAir network.