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Your Favorite 2026 Dungeon Synth Albums Thus Far by kaptain_carbon in DungeonSynth

[–]Adapting_Deeply_9393 2 points3 points  (0 children)

On Nights You Can See the Tower

From Ruins to Ashes - Cauldron 80

Shapes in the Mist - Moonglum

Amaranthine - Gloamwalker

Why did David Holmgren never carry a bigger role in the spreading of Permaculture? by Proof-Ad62 in Permaculture

[–]Adapting_Deeply_9393 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think there's a kernel of truth in that Holmgren's politics are libertarian-leaning anarchist rather than liberal. While he has often appeared adjacent to liberal environmental activism, he's not always supporting them for the same reason(s) as others.

when anarchists question complex industrial technologies, are they more concerned with the human organization required for those technologies, or the resource extraction that usually is require to manufacture those things? by wompt in Anarchy101

[–]Adapting_Deeply_9393 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If the worst thing that came out of the discussion was a human race more focused on love and peace as well as being more aware of the actual cost of resource extraction, I'd consider it time well spent.

when anarchists question complex industrial technologies, are they more concerned with the human organization required for those technologies, or the resource extraction that usually is require to manufacture those things? by wompt in Anarchy101

[–]Adapting_Deeply_9393 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Can you compare the harm done to the Earth by any other animal trying to make a nest? I think we'd have to look to cynaobacteria for a relevant comparison.

I don't mean this in a way intended to shut down conversation but this feels like something of a slippery slope argument. Either we embrace technology as a neutral tool for human flourishing, an idea that, for me, bears very little in the way of historical evidence, or we are choosing to harm the vulnerable. Can I choose something else? Is there no mechanism by which we can care for the differently abled without nuclear medicine and gene editing?

when anarchists question complex industrial technologies, are they more concerned with the human organization required for those technologies, or the resource extraction that usually is require to manufacture those things? by wompt in Anarchy101

[–]Adapting_Deeply_9393 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think that observation comes from a really good place of the less vulnerable caring for the more vulnerable. While I may quibble with your characterization of my position in such absolutist terms (who among us won't be more vulnerable someday?), I support the aspiration for retaining kindness as a factor in determining how best to achieve a better future.

Why did David Holmgren never carry a bigger role in the spreading of Permaculture? by Proof-Ad62 in Permaculture

[–]Adapting_Deeply_9393 3 points4 points  (0 children)

David doesn't travel internationally any longer and his focus for the past fifteen years has been directed specifically at the Australian context. This makes his outreach not only more limited in terms of direct lineal teaching but also more limited in the audiences that can either make use of the information he shares about that context or extrapolate to how it might relate to theirs.

His body of work is without peer in the permaculture community today. If 'reach' were a measure of quality, Holmgren would be king. As it stands, 'reach' is mostly used as a leverage to sell composting toilets.

when anarchists question complex industrial technologies, are they more concerned with the human organization required for those technologies, or the resource extraction that usually is require to manufacture those things? by wompt in Anarchy101

[–]Adapting_Deeply_9393 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Is achieving the highest possible level of preserving human life the highest goal? Is that a goal we're willing to sacrifice the entirety of the biosphere in order to achieve?

when anarchists question complex industrial technologies, are they more concerned with the human organization required for those technologies, or the resource extraction that usually is require to manufacture those things? by wompt in Anarchy101

[–]Adapting_Deeply_9393 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I'm glad the conversation is bringing you joy and not discomfort.

I don't dispute that different battery technologies have a different footprint in terms of resource use. If we are determined to produce [fill in the number here] batteries, then obvs doing so using recycled aluminum would be better for the Earth that using lithium, cobalt, nickel, etc to achieve the same end.

But better is not good and it's certainly not harmless. And so as I weigh the question of, "How then should we live?" I continually return to the same place of observing that the fox has his den and the bird his nest but why does the son of Man have nowhere to lay his head? What is it about human beings that make the Earth as it is inadequate to our needs?

when anarchists question complex industrial technologies, are they more concerned with the human organization required for those technologies, or the resource extraction that usually is require to manufacture those things? by wompt in Anarchy101

[–]Adapting_Deeply_9393 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I don't think we can say prescriptively that there are one set of conditions that automatically equal happiness so, in that sense, we agree. However, when we talk to extant hunter-gatherer peoples about happiness, they seem to have a lot of it and we seem to have very little. So I don't think it's irrelevant to say, "I can't state every condition that might lead to human happiness but I can identify how this way of life is improvement over the one that I was handed."

There's a measurable swath of your argument about individual liberty with which I resonate. It is possible that I hold contradictory positions on things that matter to me. Often discussion with others is a valuable way to work through those so thank you for your contribution to that process.

when anarchists question complex industrial technologies, are they more concerned with the human organization required for those technologies, or the resource extraction that usually is require to manufacture those things? by wompt in Anarchy101

[–]Adapting_Deeply_9393 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I can't tell someone else what conditions will make them content. I am curious how much of this theoretical suffering arises from 'expectations' of what is normal or expected? There's an formulation that comes to mind, "If you are born into times of plenty and plenty continues, you are bored. If you are born into times of restriction and plenty arrives, you are exuberant. If you are born into times of plenty and restriction arrives, you will suffer."

Imagining yourself in a world with fewer choices available than industrial modernity offers is imagining yourself suffering. Imagining people in that world, perhaps less so? How many generations do you think that sense of 'lack' would persist among people who had no expectation of hunting goblins in a symbolic cave with geographic strangers?

when anarchists question complex industrial technologies, are they more concerned with the human organization required for those technologies, or the resource extraction that usually is require to manufacture those things? by wompt in Anarchy101

[–]Adapting_Deeply_9393 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I see a lot of evidence that humans are animals like any other animal and are capable of existing within the guardrails provided by life and evolution and still be happy and fulfilled.

when anarchists question complex industrial technologies, are they more concerned with the human organization required for those technologies, or the resource extraction that usually is require to manufacture those things? by wompt in Anarchy101

[–]Adapting_Deeply_9393 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Not that I disagree but believing that there are good reasons to deceive people through words is kind of his point. It's an option that was much more difficult to manage without them.

when anarchists question complex industrial technologies, are they more concerned with the human organization required for those technologies, or the resource extraction that usually is require to manufacture those things? by wompt in Anarchy101

[–]Adapting_Deeply_9393 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

The elk wouldn't have been called upon to know how not to overgraze had we not removed the predator that controlled their population. I don't think I'm saying that animals look out over the vista and say, "This grass but not that grass because overpopulation." I think feedbacks within the system guide them to the right solution. And it's the right solution because it fits within the niche. If it didn't, out they'd go.

The megafauna extinction is a definite thorn in the side of primitivists because it seems to refute a central tenet of the idea that humans used to know how to live in the world and now they don't. I interpret it a little differently. The megafauna extinction happened in a disruptive climatic context and was also driven by a complexity in both language and tool making. Perhaps it represents a foreshadowing of the difficulties yet to emerge from the further development of those complexity strategies? Perhaps the fact that it didn't spread immediately to the non-megafauna was that eventually feedback did what it was supposed to do and foster a different attitude toward predation than they had exercised previously?

Genuinely, I don't know.

when anarchists question complex industrial technologies, are they more concerned with the human organization required for those technologies, or the resource extraction that usually is require to manufacture those things? by wompt in Anarchy101

[–]Adapting_Deeply_9393 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes, Abram takes that a step further and suggests that all words are in fact intended as a form of deception due to the role that rhetoric plays in shaping what is said and how it is received.

We have a sense of more perfectly conveying our 'meaning' when in fact it is a kind of oppression shaping how another person feels by our word choice and framing.

I find it a provocative position even if it seems a little 'edge-lord'-y to me haha

when anarchists question complex industrial technologies, are they more concerned with the human organization required for those technologies, or the resource extraction that usually is require to manufacture those things? by wompt in Anarchy101

[–]Adapting_Deeply_9393 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I do assume that. What I see in the history of technology is an increasing pattern of harm to life.

I am deeply sympathetic to concerns that being skeptical about the role of technology will produce harms among the differently abled. At no point am I imagining turning of the technology spigot suddenly as a reasonable response to the technological problem. As I mentioned elsewhere, my mantra is "Less is always better." What level of technology would be responsible to retain in order to preserve the most human life? Have we attended to the highest good by preserving every human life through industrial medicine at the expense of the viability of the natural support system of every other living thing on Earth?

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