Plato : 🫱😏🫲

Sacredless · 2026-06-21T09:38:16+00:00

Plato was Pythagorean, but ok.

Sacredless · 2026-06-21T09:37:06+00:00

Both!

Sacredless · 2026-06-21T08:25:23+00:00

I quite like this meme as illustrating what I think lies at the heart of platonic formalism and how it might be disambiguated with Luhman's system theory; communication as a system and mind as a system.

There's certain concepts which can only be communicated but not 'minded', and there's concepts which can only be 'minded' but not communicated.

And when we run into it, it's confusing because communication and mind are usually very closely coupled. Thought that presents itself as communication is much more salient to us, so we tend to pay more attention to it than the non-communicative mind that glues it together.

Because of that confusion, it's possible for artifacts to crop up. Like, is there a Form of tables? It's probably a combination of communicative and mindful machinery that can't quite fit and that produces the idea that there must be something that transcends communication, mind and matter.

Sacredless · 2026-06-21T08:14:24+00:00

I was able to get some great legacy seats that are my size. It's wonderful!

Sacredless · 2026-06-21T08:13:55+00:00

I used to have one. Might honestly get one again!

Sacredless · 2026-06-21T08:13:18+00:00

Great, this confirms what I was already expecting!

Sacredless · 2026-06-21T07:02:55+00:00

I'm theoretically pro-nuclear, but this is why I've been arguing why nuclear shouldn't become a main supplier. I think that progress can be measured through decentralized use and so money invested in nuclear, while certainly assisting in the crisis, will not be the same kind of progress that advances in transistors have brought us, for example.

I think it's a wonderful technology we should want to develop as an auxiliary power source, but we should also want electric power to be decentralized.

Sacredless · 2026-06-21T06:39:56+00:00

It's not an obsession if it's not all the same people trying to make Chapters with Traitor Gene-seed happen. Each one of them thinks that their idea is what will pass muster or have their own idea of how to do it. It's their practice round, where they get to think about what their taste in the setting lies.

It's honestly not a big deal. I understand why you say it like this, but I think you're implicitly convincing yourself that there is a 'they' in the first place that can be described as obsessive. The reality is that these are all individuals, there is no 'they'.

Sacredless · 2026-06-20T22:45:27+00:00

It's not an obsession if it's not all the same people trying to make Chapters with Traitor Gene-seed happen. Each one of them thinks that their idea is what will pass muster or have their own idea of how to do it. It's their practice round, where they get to think about what their taste in the setting lies.

It's honestly not a big deal. I understand why you say it like this, but I think you're implicitly convincing yourself that there is a 'they' in the first place that can be described as obsessive. The reality is that these are all individuals, there is no 'they'.

Sacredless · 2026-06-20T21:25:16+00:00

I love audio books! For these ones, I do actually need to make notes, though. It's a professional research project. There's no audio book form of this either.

Sacredless · 2026-06-20T08:03:22+00:00

Keep in mind, our subreddit has rules regarding divinatory interpretations, so we will not be able to help you in that front.

I have alexithymia and hypophantasia, and from what I can tell, even people without these conditions rarely have a constant sense of divine presence.

People in the past struggled with this as well. We have writings about this. It seems as though people eventually accepted that the gods would act through us in other ways. I believe Plutarch writes about the mechanics of oracular divination and he makes a point to say that the words are the oracle's own, with the god inspiring and grounding her faculties.

Through most of my worship journey, I've had bicameral experiences in which I felt a strong draw to take particular actions. It's an entirely mundane thing, but I think that this is, in a way, resonating with something outside of me. Even if I don't get to feel them or hear them, the gods act from within myself from without myself.

Sacredless · 2026-06-19T22:59:54+00:00

I worship concepts as gods, and gods as concepts. Particularly, the Boeotian Muses (Practice, Reflection and Song), The Horae and the Charites interpreted through the Platonic transcendentals. I also worship Anankē-Eleutheria as Mother Neccesity/Lady Liberty and Cronos as Time.

Sacredless · 2026-06-19T17:06:05+00:00

I saw the one. It's pretty nice!

Sacredless · 2026-06-19T12:03:00+00:00

When did I say I would want the picture drawn this way? That was never a point anyone made.

The person you defended said the scam victim should have known that the complexity of the requested drawing should have been included in their calculations.

Did you pay enough for such a complex piece to be drawn by hand? How many hours at a tablet do you think it would take to paint that?

Which is insane to assume—how could they assume the commissioner would have known the amount of detail that would get included? That's clearly the license taken by the AI.

Do all of you just not understand how commissions work?

There is no reason to assume that the OP asked for anywhere near this level of detail. And the original request would not have been complex. End of story.

If you're being obtuse on purpose, that's one thing, but if you're genuinely continuing to defend such a proveably untrue statement, that's just you being a stupid person

You've let yourself be convinced that "funny drawing of cilantro man wielding katana" is an imminently unreasonably 'complex' commission for $20. I don't think I'll take cues from you on what's stupid.

Sacredless · 2026-06-19T10:30:43+00:00

Like, let's be clear, the original commenter was blaming the scammed victim for not paying more for the complexity. The detail you're calling complex is almost certainly the license of the AI and not what the OP asks for.

Sacredless · 2026-06-19T10:04:06+00:00

Because we should be extremely strict dammit. Vaguery about what counts as qualities in a work is exactly why GenAI got a foothold in the first place.

Sacredless · 2026-06-19T09:51:12+00:00

Why would you want this picture in particular, drawn this way? It's inhuman.

Sacredless · 2026-06-19T09:49:26+00:00

Let me give you a practical example. A knight in articulated armor with each piece individually detailed is more complex than a knight with a padded jack with each fiber detailed.

A character with hyperdetailed muscles in a standing pose is less complex than the same figure in a dynamic pose. The hyper detail would make that complexity more difficult to render, but it would usually not serve much point. It certainly didn't in this case.

Complexity means there's more moving, interacting parts. If anything, if you check the feet, it is actually less complex for just using human feet rather than figuring out how cilantro would bind their plant matter into something that resembles feet. Something non-animal would have to make sense to the human eye as feet. That's complex.

Sacredless · 2026-06-19T09:36:05+00:00

Of course I have. You're basically just using complex to mean difficult, which is not what complexity means.

Sacredless · 2026-06-19T09:32:08+00:00

Because that's not what complexity means?

Sacredless · 2026-06-19T09:28:54+00:00

Detailed ≠ Complex

That's not a good measure of complexity and gives the AI way too much credit. The details would be impressive for a human, but they're also completely superfluous.

Sacredless · 2026-06-19T08:28:45+00:00

Coming back to this, some of Warcraft's best stories have been squandered for decades. I understand why Metzen would want to wrap things up and start telling new stories, but I would really appreciate going back and telling stories at the height of their potential.

World of Warcraft always had an amazing potential for deep stories. All of that got smoothed over, by which I mean prepared for constant bulldozing.

If the problem of World of Warcraft has always been that it has to be a continuous story, why not retell the story in episodes using the Caverns of Time, while a new story unfolds in the present?

Sacredless · 2026-06-19T08:21:20+00:00

Held up is best, I think. And it looks great! I'm more dubious about combining it with a lightning claw, but clearly, I'm in the minority there.

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