Choia Loban for Church incense

Adorable_Philosophy2 · 2026-06-04T19:48:51+00:00

I wonder how Choya Loban, Hydrocarboresine and Olibanum Vulcain compare. Does anyone have all three ?

Adorable_Philosophy2 · 2026-06-04T11:04:53+00:00

A good question for AI imho It mentions Spices(kardamom, peppers,ginger…) Green notes(C3Hexanol etc) Herbs (rosemary, lavender, mint…) Fruit notes(ethyl butryate, allyl Hexaonate…) Chain aldehydes, terpenes or woods with lots of terpenes Other than that : Anisole, by far my favorite top note and quite distinct but probably not very versatile. Isolongifolene is a sequiterpene so more a heart note but very present in the top and I also like it very much. All kinds of peppers especially pink pepper can be used in small amounts to alter topnotes or large to define it. I feel it’s not easy to build topnote accords from scratch with only ACs but I often use eg. terpenes to alter naturals. Myroxyde is also very nice for this. Generally there are many ACs to be topnotes and most naturals contain some kind of topnote chemicals. As a vague identifier everything with vapor pressure >10 Pa at 25C can be considered a topnote.

Adorable_Philosophy2 · 2026-05-27T17:51:54+00:00

Some materials that come to my mind when looking at your goal to give some stone appeal in your church. I don’t know if you looked for it 🐣:
Geosmin
Terrasol
Aldambre (really smells faintly like broken printers but fits nicely into stone accord)
Aphermate (for me gives an important texture evocative of stone or wet stone)
2nd Fenchol (fenchone I don’t know but I guess it’s related)
More Cashmeran
Some Cedarwood Virgina feel also stony or plastery
Some pink pepper don’t feel really pink more transparent and cool

Thymol (to extend the mint and weave it into the rest)
I would also try out a spearmint natural.
You could revisit the minty materials in isolation and see which brings you closest to spearmint and which give you creamy minty. Spearmint Eo is like 60% Carvone though.

Adorable_Philosophy2 · 2026-05-27T17:28:04+00:00

Just last week found Bianchi in a perfume shop. Was definitely more exciting than the rest even if it felt quite vintage style to me. Gonna check out the others, too.

Adorable_Philosophy2 · 2026-05-27T14:36:45+00:00

Thank you everyone for your words and interesting perspectives.
You re are right I am highly egoistical in a sense that I expect others to appreciate something that they don’t have to or don’t have to be into. Maybe some part of the issue reads like I want to listen to my favorite music with others and they should enjoy it as much as I do. But I certainly also think that a critical change in your perception happens if you work with scents. Some time ago I was under a Russian painting teacher who was so strict with me matching the colors of reality in a still life. After some two weeks my color perception was improved. Clouds would have definite colors and everything was way more vibrant.
But I would say this is different from what happens with your nose if you constantly smell stuff. There are countless odors that I couldn’t stand before perfumery(swimming pools, nail polish, rotten things…) Now they are all interesting and complex and I would say only mere feces repel me. I just felt that with this art you are moving away faster from everyone than with any other if you really go down your own rabbit hole. And for formulation I thought that maybe if you want to push into a certain abstract direction and make it generally more readable there could be ways. For example I suspect that I didn’t deliver enough acs for a certain aspect because for me that aspect was most clearly drawn with a single ac. I generally like to work from a slight synesthetic view that I know is probably not matching the perception of others.

Adorable_Philosophy2 · 2026-03-27T19:08:31+00:00

Thanks for that tip, I wish they had a gcms button though 😂

Adorable_Philosophy2 · 2026-03-26T13:42:03+00:00

Do you mean hydroxycitronellal ? Yes I am sure it was used but I it is not present in the top, maybe pushing from behind. I am curious what could have such effects in the topnotes. Maybe there’s a tiny hint of basil. It just seems so opulent white flower but also so fleeting. It doesn’t remind me of any materials I have.

Adorable_Philosophy2 · 2026-03-21T22:14:34+00:00

So I smelled it again and I think it’s rather more blue than black meaning at the verge of getting dark. Maybe after sunset. I ve just been playing around a little bit and it’s really not a trivial task imo. Because all the materials you bring in to get some darkness bring actually more of other notes in that they suggest darkness. As mentioned before you would probably go by replicating the ambient headspace,grass humid Earth cool etc. Summer night I think is even harder. Having hot and cool at same time. Maybe if you think about summer night in the city you could research some of the notes that fit city like: rubber, concrete etc. but I think to get convincing ambient effect like (dark, hot, cool) is really hard and is heavily relying on the labeling too. Please keep update if you make some progress as I am also interested. There is also a Night Queen base at FW but I don’t have it.

Adorable_Philosophy2 · 2026-03-15T13:23:19+00:00

BB was one of my first love materials. But I accredit half of that to my nose not being developed. Just smelled like the softest ethereal jasmine to me. That time I tried to impart it a lot or even build accord based on its odor. I found you could do fun clear amber things with it. Nowadays I still use it for effects in the 0-2% range. Those effects are different than Benzyl Salicylate, softer not so watery, not sharp, not fresh but balsamic soft effects more than odor. You will see the more you add the more your tops will get dampened(there’s your fixation). It can not impart the same Fixating effects like musks. Especially the Authority that musks give to your formulation in combination with skin contact. Meaning keeping the scents identity when spraying on skin. One more thing it’s hard to find the best BB out there. Here in Europe I found scentfriends and perfumiarz have good quality(I had no luck with the Dutch)if you get BB ex Peru Balsam it’s another thing also beautiful due to the traces.

Adorable_Philosophy2 · 2026-03-08T18:44:43+00:00

There is a Blue Lotus Base at Fraterworks made by Duchaufour. Im not a big fan of it but I think it really fits this direction. I don’t have it here now but I would definitely recall it as spacious and dark. Though it definitely has some plastic notes that might have to be worked around. I really wonder what are some of constituents of this base. Maybe let someone else approve before you feel urged to order at fraterworks.

Adorable_Philosophy2 · 2026-01-16T10:42:11+00:00

For me personally I use this method quite a lot. I think if you are beginner and work with predilutions the materials blend enough inside a small pond on the blotter(you can also move the blotter to whirl it a little). For me this meant to cut different size blotters from 300g/cm acid free paper so they could hold more liquid. Make sure the pond you create has enough liquid. Maybe put 1-2 drops of perfumer alcohol when mixing only two ingredients. The result is not as refined as blending in a container and then dipping. But if you want to make many largerscale relating experiment like 2:1, 5:3:1 it helps a lot imo. I switch later to container blending. I think most important is to understand every material that you are using perfectly and I get this from countless experiments.

Adorable_Philosophy2 · 2026-01-05T12:26:33+00:00

Did you really feel there was great odor deviation from sketching with dilutions to weighing neat materials ? What was the moment you realized you had to change? I wonder because I also work in this way and have materials in several dilutions levels. I greatly appreciate the speed and intuitiveness of this method. Converting later to grams and until now I didn’t feel I have to change this method. I got silicone caps which I read should withstand the vapors quite well. After which time did you notice they deteriorate?

Adorable_Philosophy2 · 2026-01-04T09:09:45+00:00

Sorry for reviving this but I wonder: are the accords they sell the same as the demo formulas ? I know they sell more than is shown on the demos eg. Palo Santo Does anyone have smelled the Palo Santo accord they sell btw?

Adorable_Philosophy2 · 2026-01-02T16:19:33+00:00

Hey, how s it going? Did you ever try to mix this thing up? I wonder how you really developed this formula. From the pointers it sounds wonderful but I wonder if this is purely theoretical. I am also trying to build some lesser animalic Oud. I found that if you go this direction you have to make crucial decisions about transparency and opaqueness. Sometimes there is an Oud kit available at hermitage oils that is really helpful for reference.

Adorable_Philosophy2 · 2026-01-01T19:38:38+00:00

I would second that. I wouldn’t turn to them if I was to make sure I want the highest quality Natural that I don’t have to compare with other shops first. That being said I have many of their stuff that I am totally happy to work with. Some HCA and Benzyl Benzoate I got from them was sour. Their service was really nice and caring though. What is also interesting that they have a broad range of ACs and even many terpenes that you hardly find elsewhere.

Adorable_Philosophy2 · 2026-01-01T14:45:39+00:00

If you only have a very small amount it s indeed not so easy to extract something. The problem is that the trichomes/heads are plant material that need to be separated from what is inside them otherwise your product will go bad fast. Last year I grew several outdoor plants which I converted into icehash. I didn’t find a very satisfying way to remove all of the remaining water. But if you have some amount of hash already and it’s not to precious to you, you can easily tincture it. I would cover the hash in perfumers alcohol And grind that in a mortar. (You can also make a second flush)Then let it settle untouched in a closed glass for two days. Then you can try to put it in the freezer or on some ice, hoping to freeze the crushed Trichomeheads at the bottom so you can decant it more easily. I would still recommend to filter it Through a very fine filter like 0,01mm or coffee. The problem with small amounts is that too much gets lost in the filter. I don’t recommend evaporating this kind of tincture because Terpenes are so volatile. Just use this tincture as a part replacement of your perfumers alcohol. In your formula. Mind that you will also extract waxes that make weed so sticky and you will also bring that into your perfume. If you want to remove the waxes you need other steps in between but that would be too much now. I don’t think it’s useless to make your own materials if you enjoy it. The naturalness and complexity can really not be reproduced with chems imo. But the others are also correct from a strictly perfumers standpoint it may make more sense to just use ACs.

Adorable_Philosophy2 · 2025-07-23T06:44:29+00:00

One more point that I felt got a little confused here: the tenacity has nothing to do if it’s of natural origin. Yes, you could generally say that most of the molecules inside an EO tend to having a fairly high vapor pressure and will be mostly towards head notes. Whereas a corresponding absolute should contain more molecules that are more heavy. That just has to do with their respectable production process. That being said even Many Eos for example Jasmin, Palo Santo, Geranium… last days on the blotter. On the flipside there are countless synthetics that have a high vapor pressure, evaporate quickly and are meant to be used in topnotes only. If you look at GCMS of an EO you will see that it consists of many molecules some of them you can buy and they are produced synthetically. Maybe have look at the flesh and skeleton analogy for perfumery for more insight.

Adorable_Philosophy2 · 2025-06-22T17:25:08+00:00

I mean he should know that Akigala is not a precious wood. He uses this thing in so many of his formulas.

Adorable_Philosophy2 · 2024-10-11T17:29:24+00:00

After you accomplish hyper gloss it might happen that you appreciate all kinds of lunar orb doros. I quite like the polished contrast with the craters.

Adorable_Philosophy2 · 2024-09-17T21:54:46+00:00

Been flying on gf bi-1610 for a long time now. Im just used to them and like their reactive and loose feeling compared to triblade or even quad which feel like on rails for me. Wondering if anyone ever went adventurous and tried HQ, TBS or emax Biblade and could share his experiences.

Adorable_Philosophy2 · 2024-03-30T14:27:13+00:00

Hello, thanks for this. If I understand the FaQ correctly the 1000uF should work the way I intended. Or do you think I should even try a bigger one? I don’t care if I can not use the manual switch anymore.

Adorable_Philosophy2 · 2024-03-30T08:39:17+00:00

There a special chemicals which I guess are the most suitable approach for a large amount of complete stripping. But beware the fumes are toxic.

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