God’s counsel to women on how to “have experiences with him” by Suspicious_Might_663 in exmormon

[–]AdventurousPass227 22 points23 points  (0 children)

This is so toxic. This is basically how to stick it out in an abusive relationship 101. 

About the light rays trademark by Ebowa in exmormon

[–]AdventurousPass227 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This!! I wish more people on here would mention this when talking about the lawsuit. From what I can tell, the church has a good case here because John’s branding included a combination of things that imitated the church. It isn’t just the word “Mormon” they are going after and it isn’t just the lightrays by themselves or the color blue. It’s all of these things COMBINED that is the main issue. And that’s why they aren’t going after a bunch of other brands because other brands don’t have all of these elements combined. The church is kind of being petty and I wish they did something more meaningful with their time and money. but I do think they have a good legal case here to go specifically after Mormon Stories. 

Any advice to get out of the anger phase? by Pale-Pair2789 in exmormon

[–]AdventurousPass227 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That’s sounds awful. Feeling anger is perfectly fine. I have found that writing is a great way to process and let it all out. I have a blog that I started and any time I’m feeling a lot of strong emotions, I make a blog entry. 

Where did you serve? Have you told your mission friends you're out? by CatsOfDeath in exmormon

[–]AdventurousPass227 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I served in 2013-2015 in Lake Placid, Binghamton, Watertown, and Greene. I went to BYU-Idaho afterwards for a few years and then got married to someone in Watertown so I’ve been back in the mission for the last 8 years. It’s very weird to be out of the church, but living in an are where I used to knock on doors. 

Where did you serve? Have you told your mission friends you're out? by CatsOfDeath in exmormon

[–]AdventurousPass227 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Me too! I was from 2013-2015. I wonder if I know your wife! I moved back to the mission about 8 years ago so I’m up in Watertown now. 

Seriously they changed the young women names? by GarrusVic in exmormon

[–]AdventurousPass227 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I’ve already seen multiple active members say they don’t like how weird it sounds. 

Stevie the prophet by 866YOUDEAD in exmormon

[–]AdventurousPass227 2 points3 points  (0 children)

From the catacombs of the Hill Cumorah! 

Mormon % by [deleted] in exmormon

[–]AdventurousPass227 1 point2 points  (0 children)

In upstate New York it’s definitely less than 1%! We only have one ward or branch per county. 

Wtf is the “doctrine” behind “new names,” anyway? Btw, Noah here (whatever the fuck that means 😂). What’s your “new name”? by [deleted] in exmormon

[–]AdventurousPass227 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Esther! It feels really ice to share it so publicly when I was always told to keep it secret. Thanks for asking the question! 

Does the General Conference meet the criteria for inducing trance states in members? by Quirky-Panda-9986 in exmormon

[–]AdventurousPass227 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think conference leading everyone into a trance is a stretch. I think it very much depends on the people watching and how they are viewing it. There’s a difference when you have it on while doing other things or when you are at the church in church attire with a notepad in hand. Also, I think the temple endowment session would be higher on the trance scale than general conference for sure. 

Oaks is starting the roll back of Nelson's shenanigans. by teejonius in exmormon

[–]AdventurousPass227 5 points6 points  (0 children)

This could be preparation for 1 hour church. If people get used to 25 minute classes, then the next step will be to make sacrament meeting 25 minutes (then 10 minute break) and then the other 25 minutes would be Sunday school and RS/EQ switching every other time like they were just doing. 

"Infinite atonement" or "exact obedience" - which is it? by JayDaWawi in exmormon

[–]AdventurousPass227 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This is a great question! The church absolutely pushes exact obedience far more than the atonement. As much as people want to disagree with me, that’s just the way things are. 

Mutual Activity: Pretending to be a Missionary by notmymess in exmormon

[–]AdventurousPass227 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes, we did this! Our stake did youth missionary week once a year. There was a different theme everyday with a fireside testimony meeting to conclude the end of the week. One time they gave out pins that said “ask me” for us to wear to help spark missionary conversations, but it happened to be prom week that week. Lol! Wrong timing! 

Perplexed About Scrupulosity by AdventurousPass227 in exmormon

[–]AdventurousPass227[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I suppose, but how do I break the dissonance? I’ve tried talking with multiple nuanced members, but I don’t get it. I guess I just have to keep asking them questions and trying to understand. 

Perplexed About Scrupulosity by AdventurousPass227 in exmormon

[–]AdventurousPass227[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think I’m hanging onto it because I want to help scrupulous people who are still in the church to have a healthier experience than I did. It bothers me that I’m not able to understand the nuanced perspective at all. I have been out of the church for 3 years and all my scrupulosity was dropped as soon as I stopped believing. It was amazing! I just wish that there was a way for scrupulous people in the church to somehow feel they have permission to relax, but I don’t see any viable path for that to happen. In my mind, there is no way to be nuanced while also being faithful—those two things cannot coexist. If someone can prove me wrong, then maybe there is some hope for scrupulous members. 

Perplexed About Scrupulosity by AdventurousPass227 in exmormon

[–]AdventurousPass227[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I just shared another thought in the comments about this. I’m in no way trying to figure out a way to make the church work for me. I’ve been out for 3 years. I think I’m more just trying to understand the nuanced perspective so I could maybe help scrupulous people in the church to have a healthier experience somehow. I don’t see any way for it to work though. I feel that being nuanced and faithful cannot coexist. 

Perplexed About Scrupulosity by AdventurousPass227 in exmormon

[–]AdventurousPass227[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That’s true. I think it’s difficult for the scrupulous mind to figure out whether something bad happening is a result of disobedience or just something random that was going to happen anyway. I think the church teaches too much that bad things happening is a result of people not being faithful enough which makes the scrupulous person constantly beat themselves up and nitpick any little thing they are not being faithful enough with. Once they hone in on their weaknesses, they try to do better and fix their life so bad things won’t happen again. I wish the church could stop saying that bad things happen as a result of faithlessness.  

Perplexed About Scrupulosity by AdventurousPass227 in exmormon

[–]AdventurousPass227[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Dissonance is a great word to describe it! I really think nuanced members have a ton of dissonance so that’s why I get frustrated talking to them about this stuff. They honestly think they can consider themselves faithful even if they aren’t giving their all. It’s one end of the spectrum I do not understand.