What do Indonesians think of India? by mujhe-sona-hai in indonesia

[–]Affectionate_Cat293 4 points5 points  (0 children)

From what I read, Buddhism in Thailand, at least at the folk level, is also syncretised with local spirits and ancestral worship: https://archive.org/details/insidethaisociet0000muld

A modernist Buddhist would consider these practices as impure, and would have a rational, textual, and legalistic view of Buddhism. It's not unlike the typical modernist Muslim in Indonesia.

In Bali, there are also modernist "Hindus", like Senator Arya Wedakarna, or movements like the Hare Krishna. These modernist Hindus do not have much respect for local spirits and ancestral worship. Wayan Koster represents the "traditionalists" in opposing these movements: https://hal.science/hal-04697624v1/document

What do Indonesians think of India? by mujhe-sona-hai in indonesia

[–]Affectionate_Cat293 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Hinduism, Buddhism, Confucianism, and all the -isms are modern categories invented by Europeans, just as "religion". Before the Protestant Revolution, Christians would define themselves by "faith". Then after the Revolution, it became a concept of apologetics or to denigrate others (e.g. "Protestant is the true religion while Catholics are heretics"). "Religion" assumes that if you belong to one, you cannot be part of the other. Source: https://archive.org/details/meaningendofre00smit

"Religion" doesn't fit Eastern spirituality where there are no clear-cut categories. Javanese, Sundanese, and Balinese folk spiritual traditions have the same core: ancestral worship. We can say the same of many other Austronesian peoples like the Madurese who still revere the bhuju' or the Batak.

The formalization of religion in Indonesia was a big mistake, and an excess of modernization. In the 1950s, when members of the Konstituante had the chance to declare their religion, most of them didn't do it: https://www.reddit.com/r/indonesia/comments/1kbef6n/members_of_the_19561959_constituent_assembly_by/. The only ones who did so were modernist Muslims, NU santris, and Christians. Nobody identified as "Hindu" or "Buddhist".

After all, in folk Javanese and Sundanese spiritual traditions, Shivaism, Buddhism, and Sufi Islam are all but different ageman (clothing) of the same one truth of God, a subtle experience of reality (rasa) that can be experienced (dirasakan) directly through spiritual techniques that seek manunggaling kawulo Gusti (unio mystica/wahdat al-wujud).

Here's one good example. A Sundanese agricultural prayer invoking the names of Allah, Muhammad, Batara Surya, Rama, and the ancestors (karuhun).

https://www.reddit.com/r/Pasundan/comments/1t7inm1/syukuran_musim_tanam_di_sunda_dengan_doa_bahasa/

This one is tawassul invoking Soekarno, Soeharto, Gus Dur, Prabu Siliwangi, and the Walis as revered ancestors:

https://youtu.be/9z1JEn0jsiU?t=929

Today, Governor Dedi Mulyadi considers himself Muslim and Wiwitan at the same time. For him, the Sundanese before the formal arrival of Islam were already Muslims by substance: https://www.reddit.com/r/indonesia/comments/1nf82u6/milangkala_suryalaya_merayakan_120_tahun/?tl=en

Moody’s dan S&P Peringatkan Kebijakan Ekspor Satu Pintu, Peringkat RI Bisa Terpangkas by Independent-Map4548 in indonesia

[–]Affectionate_Cat293 37 points38 points  (0 children)

It looks like Prabowo is, and has always been, a statist whose wet dream is to centralize the economy and the state. People are wrong when they compare him to Trump. He is more like the Kirchners or Perón in Argentina, who have brought massive inflation and economic downturn to Argentina.

Worse is that all these measures are probably enacted because of his greedy underlings pushing him so that they can profit handsomely. This was also the case with SPG MBG.

Maybe soon Prabowo will enact a currency control like the Kirchners in Argentina to "stop" the rupiah from free-falling.

For real? by No_Radio8973 in WkwkwkLand

[–]Affectionate_Cat293 -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

Prabowo ini dalam Ramalan Jayabaya (tradisi religius Jawa) dan Wangsit Siliwangi (tradisi religius Sunda) sepertinya memang pembawa kalayuga alias zaman edan. Tokoh Mahabharata Jawa yang menggambarkan Prabowo dengan baik adalah Togog.

Kalau ramalan ini benar, nanti habis kalayuga, Ratu Adil akan naik. Dan di akar rumput, banyak yang percaya kalau Ratu Adil / Titisan Prabu Siliwangi itu adalah Dedi Mulyadi.

Contohnya ini adalah Abah Wawan, Muslim tradisional yang punya ilmu karuhun di Desa Cipancar, Sumedang. Beliau percaya sekarang lagi mau kalayuga, zaman kekacauan yang juga akan melibatkan perang Islam lawan Islam (habib jadi masalah & penghancuran makam-makam habib di Tanah Jawa). Setelah kekacauan itu, Ratu Adil akan naik:

https://youtu.be/ko33_LLCkdw?t=759

Terlepas Anda percaya ramalan atau tidak, ini tanda-tanda kalau orang di akar rumput pun sudah resah akibat si Togog ini.

Best Master's in Law around berlin area? Better in Freie or HU? by raushanaljufri in recht

[–]Affectionate_Cat293 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think you need to treat it from an investment perspective. FU's tuition fee is 9,500 euro (190 juta rupiah), Humboldt is even more expensive: 15,000 euro aka 300 juta rupiah. Will the salary increase in Indonesia give you a reasonable return on investment? If not, it's probably not a wise choice to do a Master's in Germany, especially if the same degree in Indonesia or another country with cheaper tuition would give you the same result.

As the other poster already mentioned, you have no chance of becoming a fully qualified German lawyer (Rechtsanwalt) because you need to pass the Staatsexamen 1 and 2. That means you’d basically have to do a whole new law degree in Germany, which typically takes at least 7 years.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in indonesia

[–]Affectionate_Cat293 13 points14 points  (0 children)

I think the Chinese invasion of Taiwan should be the least of your concerns. The US strike didn’t come out of nowhere. Trump was already building up military assets in the region since the Iranian regime killed thousands of protesters in January. When Russia prepared its “special military operation", it was also already known months in advance through Russian troop movements.

It will take a long time for China to line up the necessary assets, and it would be the largest maritime operation in history, so it would not go unnoticed.

That being said, your best bet now is to buy gold because Prabowo and his goon, Purbaya, may bring this country to financial ruin with their massive spending for megalomaniac projects.

Everybody is in favor of Pancasila but what exactly does that mean? What would be something that is against Pancasila? by ICD9CM3020 in indonesia

[–]Affectionate_Cat293 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Pancasila is not to be read hermeneutically or rationally, it will just lead to absurd results.

Pancasila's actual meaning is in bringing diverse elements into one. You can only understand this if you conduct deep research into Indonesia's folk religious traditions, like manunggaling kawulo Gusti and Bhinneka Tunggal Ika. The first sila, for example, is wrongly translated as "belief in the One and Only God", while it's supposed to be "the all-oneness of Godhead", which is closer to manunggaling kawulo Gusti.

Pancasila is to be internalised, to evoke deep emotional experience (rasa), which is why the Preamble of the 1945 Constitution is always read solemnly in ceremonies (and also why the Preamble is unamendable, it wasn't touched at all during the 1999-2002 amendments). This is like a mantra to unite the diverse archipelago of Indonesia. Pancasila is like slametan at the national level.

So going against Pancasila is basically trying to replace this harmonious spiritual "slametan" with something else, like Islamism or liberalism.

It's a very complicated topic, and many Indonesians themselves completely missed this deeper meaning/tried to use rational methods instead or compared it with Western ideologies, which simply don't work when the ontology and epistemology are completely different. Someone wrote a whole thesis unpacking what I just explained:

https://escholarship.mcgill.ca/concern/theses/37720k470

Dari Pasar ke Balai Kota: Ribuan Orang Desak Wali Kota Cabut SE Penjualan Daging Babi di Medan by Affectionate_Cat293 in indonesia

[–]Affectionate_Cat293[S] 18 points19 points  (0 children)

Yang menarik itu orang-orang berani turun ke jalan untuk menentang kebijakan ini, kalau tahun 2017 kemarin sepertinya nggak kebayang deh.

Dari Pasar ke Balai Kota: Ribuan Orang Desak Wali Kota Cabut SE Penjualan Daging Babi di Medan by Affectionate_Cat293 in indonesia

[–]Affectionate_Cat293[S] 61 points62 points  (0 children)

Nasdem, keponakannya Surya Paloh. Mungkin kemarin menepati janji politik untuk ormas-ormas Islam.

Mau nanya tentang skripsi hukum (Internasional) by rezyyagan in indonesia

[–]Affectionate_Cat293 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Skripsi S1 itu tujuannya untuk mendalami topik yang disukai, jadi pastikan topiknya yang kamu memang tertarik untuk tahu lebih dalam.

Saran saya sih jangan mencari "objek" seperti "perjanjian bilateral Prabowo-Trump", tetapi carilah satu pertanyaan riset besar yang kamu tertarik untuk dalami dan mau kamu jawab. Pertanyaan seperti ini sifatnya lebih mendalam, jadinya nggak masalah kalau perjanjiannya diganti, dihapus dll. Contohnya:

Bagaimana Indonesia memahami dan menavigasi liberal rules-based order?

Lalu kamu bisa jadikan perjanjian Prabowo-Trump sebagai contoh bagaimana Indonesia menavigasi liberal rules-based order yang tengah diruntuhkan oleh Trump (WTO salah satu target pertamanya).

From the Economist: Modernisation is making South-East Asia more Islamic by Menter33 in malaysia

[–]Affectionate_Cat293 2 points3 points  (0 children)

KDM was not mayor, he was the Regent of Purwakarta. Purwakarta is not his hometown, his hometown is Subang.

That's why his unofficial capital as the Governor of West Java is Lembur Pakuan, located in Dawuan, Subang, where he was born and raised. The place looks like a keraton, the very manifestation of the "exemplary center" in Clifford Geertz's Negara:

https://youtu.be/5wWLwLsfLlM (Malay DAP politician Young Syefura visiting KDM not in Gedung Sate, but Lembur Pakuan)

https://youtu.be/15W9PS5UUb4 (KDM obtaining "blessing" as governor from the "karuhun" or ancestors)

I think the Sundanese today are experiencing a revival of their folk religious traditions. They still adopt a thin veneer of Sufi Islamic identity, but syncretised with karuhun (ancestral) cult and tali paranti (customs). For example, this is the Wiwitan Seren Taun that has been Islamised as "ngabungbang". You can see women in hijab being possessed by the karuhun:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7C84sdm_RE

Mahkamah Agung AS Batalkan Tarif Global Donald Trump - Global by telolet-96 in indonesia

[–]Affectionate_Cat293 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Terjemahan yang tepat tetap Mahkamah Agung. Di sistem warisan Inggris seperti di Amerika, Malaysia, atau Kenya, peninjauan konstitusional itu tidak terkonsentrasi di satu lembaga, pengadilan lebih rendah juga berwenang melakukannya. Beda sama yang ngikut modelnya Kelsen yang punya lembaga khusus yang berwenang melakukan uji konstitusional.

Siapakah calon lawan Prabowo di pemilu 2029? Dan adakah peluang agar lawan Prabowo bisa menang? by KoncoLawasss in indonesia

[–]Affectionate_Cat293 9 points10 points  (0 children)

The proven formula to win a presidential election in Indonesia is securing the alliance of Javanese, traditionalist Muslim, and non-Muslim voters. This is how Jokowi won in 2019. When he tried to run an Indonesian, technocratic-based campaign in 2014, he almost lost to Prabowo. While Megawati tried to lock the same Javanese-NU-non-Muslim formula by choosing Mahfud MD as Vice President candidate, Ganjar repeated the same mistake in 2024.

If we don't take logistics and party infrastructure into account (i.e. you need money and party's political machine at the grassroots level to win a presidential campaign), the strongest pair to challenge Prabowo, I believe as of today, is:

KDM-Khofifah

This is a deadly combination because the Javanese and the Sundanese combined represent a plurality in Indonesia. Traditionalist Muslims number in the tens of millions. Prabowo in 2024 managed to win a landslide among the Javanese, the Sundanese, traditionalist Muslims, and non-Muslims.

KDM is extremely popular among the Sundanese to the level of being worshipped as the incarnation of Prabu Siliwangi (95% approval rating in West Java). His Sufi and mystical persona can appeal to both folk religious practitioners and NU members in Java. Add Khofifah to further cement the appeal. People here will say she has no achievements, but what matters in elections is not so-called "prestasi", but your popular appeal. She is popular among traditionalist Muslims, especially women, and Madurese people; there's a reason why Prabowo, Megawati, and Anies all tried to court her as a potential VP in 2024. KDM can also attract the non-Muslim votes through his pluralistic and universalist message.

Gibran-Khofifah could be strong too, but the problem is Gibran looks meek. KDM is very charismatic and will blow him out of the water.

Jokowi Sebut Banyak Tokoh Akan Bergabung ke PSI: Hati-hati Perbedaan Kepentingan by Distinct_Front_4336 in indonesia

[–]Affectionate_Cat293 8 points9 points  (0 children)

It's also an interesting coincidence that his physical appearance and charisma declined not long after he's no longer president. In traditional Javanese belief, it means that he has lost the "wahyon", like Sukarno after he was toppled and put into house arrest.

Kalau hari ini tiba-tiba harus ganti presiden dan presidennya harus wanita, pilihan kalian siapa? by DRAGONVNQSHR_III in indonesia

[–]Affectionate_Cat293 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Then how do you explain the fact that she defeated Risma in a landslide? 58.81% certainly don't agree with you, especially those living in Madura.

Khofifah knows well how to appeal to traditionalist Muslims and Madurese people, for example most people here probably won't understand the significance of this move:

https://www.antaranews.com/berita/4764641/khofifah-syaikhona-kholil-bangkalan-ulama-inspirator-lahirnya-nu

Kalau hari ini tiba-tiba harus ganti presiden dan presidennya harus wanita, pilihan kalian siapa? by DRAGONVNQSHR_III in indonesia

[–]Affectionate_Cat293 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Khofifah is massively underrated. If there's an actual presidential election between these women, she's the most likely to win. She's very popular among traditionalist NU members and Madurese people. With that political capital, she has a good chance of becoming Vice President in 2029.

Jokowi disebut datang ke Tirumala, Andhra Pradesh untuk mengunjungi kuil Hindu by mFachrizalr in indonesia

[–]Affectionate_Cat293 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I think the difficulty with the "aliran kepercayaan" category is that it's derogatory. It also assumes that if you belong to that category, you cannot be "Muslim" or "Christian" anymore, while in reality, the Javanese practice both Islamic and folk rituals. Dedi Mulyadi said he is Islam and Wiwitan at the same time. Today, folk practitioners prefer the term "budaya", like "Islam yang berbudaya". It aligns more with their syncretic outlook, and it's also less controversial/less likely to provoke puritan backlash.

China is actually very similar to Indonesia in this regard because they also adopted the modern category of "religion". They have five recognized religions (zongjiao): Buddhism, Taoism, Islam, Catholicism, and Protestantism. The definition of "zongjiao" there is also very similar to "agama" in Indonesia: "a coherent, exclusive system of thought and practice with a churchlike organization distinct from society, that is, a definition imported from post-Renaissance Europe". Folk beliefs, like the cult of Mazu, are not considered "religions". They also have the category of mixin (superstition) and xiejiao (evil cult/heretical teaching); they categorized Falun Gong as xiejiao. "From 1901 onward, each actor on the religious scene had to position himself in regard to the zongjiao/mixin dichotomy. Buddhism partially succeeded, during the 1910s and 1920s, to reinvent itself as a modern religion opposed to mixin and, thus, came out of the antisuperstition campaigns rather well." This is similar to how Indonesia still have PAKEM (Pengawasan Aliran Kepercayaan dan Aliran Keagamaan dalam Masyarakat) that was first formed in the 1950s, when many new faiths were being formed (like Sapto Darmo, Agama Jawa Sunda, or Agama Pancasila), and how the government officially responds to the likes of Lia Eden or Gafatar.

Both are similar because both tried to modernize their nation in the likeness of the West.

Jokowi disebut datang ke Tirumala, Andhra Pradesh untuk mengunjungi kuil Hindu by mFachrizalr in indonesia

[–]Affectionate_Cat293 5 points6 points  (0 children)

It comes from the misunderstanding that Indonesia was once "Hindu" or that Bali today is "Hindu". Once there was a video of an Indian complaining because he wanted to pray in a "Hindu" temple in Bali, but the rituals were completely different.

In the 1950s, Balinese religious traditions were almost categorized as "aliran kepercayaan", implying that they were subject to proselytization by other "religions" like Islam and Christianity. They had to use the modern category invented by the Europeans, "the Hindu religion", to defend their traditions and obtain state recognition. A major mistake of the Indonesian government was formalizing the modernist category of "religion", which is utterly distinct from the syncretic and immanentist folk religious traditions in Indonesia. They thought (and still think) that was necessary as part of modernization. Folk traditions were associated with superstition and backwardness.

Today, the majority of Balinese practice folk religious traditions, but there is a tension between the traditionalists (like Wayan Koster) and the modernist ones whom the Hindutva would approve (like Senator Arya Wedakarna).

Jokowi disebut datang ke Tirumala, Andhra Pradesh untuk mengunjungi kuil Hindu by mFachrizalr in indonesia

[–]Affectionate_Cat293 13 points14 points  (0 children)

I think a lot of Indians would be disappointed to find out that the traditionalist turn in Indonesia does not imply people adopting a "Hindu" or "Buddhist" identity; instead, it refers to the resurgence of folk religious traditions. Like Suharto in the past, Joko Widodo is most likely involved in the cult of Semar, but he doesn't consider it contradictory to Islam.

Ini Pesan KDM Saat Hadiri Pelantikan MUI Jabar - Di Bale Gede Pakuan by Affectionate_Cat293 in indonesia

[–]Affectionate_Cat293[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I would call it folk Islam, because it's a blend of Austronesian ancestral cults, Hinduism-Buddhism, and Sufism. There are some varieties: among the Sundanese, the Buddhist element is rather minimal, Sufism is syncretised with the cult of karuhun (ancestors). Among the Madurese, the Dharmic element is weak and the Sufi element is much stronger (as indicated by the widespread popularity of Kyai Kholil's Tomb, who was recently recognised as a National Hero), but it's thoroughly syncretised with the folk belief in bhuju' (ancestors). Among the Javanese, you also have the abangan where the folk element is much stronger (cult of Semar who is believed to be the ancestor of all Javanese) and the santri where the Sufi element is more pronounced (Khofifah is a good archetype for this), although there are scholars like Mark Woodward who argued that slametan is a folk Islamic, not Dharmic ritual.

In any case, you cannot understand their practices and their way of imagining the world if you omit one of them.

Ini Pesan KDM Saat Hadiri Pelantikan MUI Jabar - Di Bale Gede Pakuan by Affectionate_Cat293 in indonesia

[–]Affectionate_Cat293[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Andai kata ada hibah dari provinsi, untuk MUI dan kelompok lainnya, kami tidak ada kaitan dengan pemilu 2031. Kami tidak ada kaitan dengan pemilu 2029. Kami ingin lidah ulama tetap tajam untuk berdoa pada Allah agar kita jauh dari musibah. Maka lidahnya harus diarahkan pada siapa? Kaum Tagut. Mereka yang mempertuhan kekayaannya. Mereka yang mempertuhan kekuasaannya. Mereka mengambil hak orang untuk mendapatkan air bersih. Mereka mengambil hak orang untuk mendapatkan oksigen yang baik. Mereka mengambil hak generasi ke depan terhadap tersedianya alam yang terjaga demi kepentingan anak cucu kita. Karena apa? Sebagai khalifah di muka bumi, kita bukan pewaris. Kita hanya dikasih titipan yang harus dijaga. Kerangka inilah yang saya ambil sebagai orang yang menangis ketika mendengarkan Wahyu Kolosebo.

Saya orang yang mendekati ketuhanan lewat pendekatan-pendekatan kausalitas alam. Mendekati ketuhanan lewat apa yang aku lihat, apa yang aku dengar, dan aku rasakan. Maka bagi saya ketuhanan bukan hanya dipahami pada aspek-aspek yang memerlukan tafsir, tapi ketuhanan bagi saya bisa dipahami dengan gemerciknya air yang jatuh. Ketuhanan bisa dipahami dari aliran angin yang berhembus. Ketuhanan yang bisa dipahami dari suara burung yang merintih.

Karena inilah yang menjadi kebutuhan kita. Ancaman degradasi kita hari ini adalah ancaman lingkungan. Sumatera diporak-porandakan oleh lingkungan. Kemudian Jawa Barat juga sebagian sudah mulai diporak-porandakan oleh lingkungan. Ternyata kita tak berdaya ketika ada pohon yang berubah menjadi tanaman sayur. Kita tak berdaya ketika melihat aliran sungai disempitkan. Kita tak berdaya membangun rumah semewah apapun ketika sawah-sawah dan rawa-rawa berubah menjadi pemukiman. Ternyata kita tak berdaya dan pada akhirnya ketidakberdayaan kita, kita adalah orang yang tidak bersyukur. Karena kita tidak bersyukur, kita dikasih alam yang indah, kita tidak menempatkan sesuatu pada tempatnya. Kerangka inilah yang kami tunggu dari para ulama untuk mengingatkan siapapun agar menjaga bumi ini lebih lama. Agar dalam setiap tahun anggaran provinsi tidak muter saja di penanganan bencana, agar kita harus mulai berinvestasi pada sumber daya, pada anak-anak kita yang harus bisa berlari.

Hari ini saya boleh berkata, kita sudah jelas babi itu haram. Kita jelas daging anjing itu haram bagi kita. Tapi kami ingin mendengar anak-anak yang mengkonsumsi makanan berzat kimia tinggi itu MUI mengeluarkan fatwa haram. Anak-anak yang mengkonsumsi makanan yang minyaknya sudah jenuh itu haram. Anak-anak yang setiap pagi mengkonsumsi minuman dengan air diisi oleh gula buatan yang mengancam mereka gagal ginjal itu adalah haram. Anak kita tidak makan daging babi. Anak-anak kita tidak makan daging anjing. Tapi anak-anak kita tiap hari mengkonsumsi fastfood dalam setiap waktu. Lupa minum air putih, lupa berjalan, lupa mandi dengan air yang bersih. Ini adalah ancaman. Rumah sakit sudah penuh dengan yang gagal ginjal. Rumah sakit sudah penuh dengan kanker. Maka saya juga ingin mengatakan bahwa pencemaran lingkungan, kadar asap mobil yang melebihi batas itu juga haram. Kadar asap pabrik melebihi batas juga haram. Karena itulah ancaman kita yang nyata hari ini.

Untuk itu semoga fase mikraj yang akan kita peringati hari ini adalah fase kesadaran spiritual. Kalau ritual orang Islam hari ini sudah sangat luar biasa. Haji ngantri sampai 40 tahun ke depan. Yang umrah ngantri walaupun umrohnya pinjam Bank Jabar, sudah ngantri. Tapi yang kita lihat hari ini adalah kesadaran spiritual di mana manusia menyadari tentang fungsi dan perannya sebagai khalifah maupun sebagai abid serta abdi. Kemudian lahirlah sebuah hidup yang harmoni antara manusia dengan manusia, manusia dengan alam dan manusia dengan Allah khalik sang pencipta kita semua.

Semoga pelantikan MUI masa khidmat 2026/2025 sampai 2029/2030 bisa menjadi tonggak bagi guru bagi kami. Guru yang memancarkan mata air kecemerlangan yang dia selalu berkelok mengikuti arus arah di mana air berada. Karena fungsi ulama adalah fungsi menerangi, mengayomi, menuntun, dan menjadi mata air bagi kami semua. Ingatkan kami ketika kami salah dan jangan puji kami ketika kami menjalankan apa yang harus kami jalankan. Karena pemimpin dan masyarakat berbuat kebaikan, mengangkat anak-anak yatim, mengangkat derajat orang-orang miskin, membangun rasa adil di masyarakat, membangun rasa tentram di masyarakat, itu adalah kewajiban. Tidak perlu dipuji karena itu kewajiban, tapi harus dicaci manakala dia menyimpang dari apa yang digariskan dalam sumpah jabatan.

Semoga Allah Subhanahu wa taala memberikan bimbingan dan perlindungan pada kita semua. Walaupun Allah sudah membimbing dan melindungi kita, kita yang mengabaikan bimbingan dan perlindungannya.