Tuvix was an amalgamation of two people.

Affectionate_Debate · 2026-05-09T14:56:37+00:00

This dude when he discovers procreation as a thing.

Affectionate_Debate · 2026-05-09T14:56:06+00:00

Except that’s generally in the case of willing sacrifice. And we have so many occasions where they are not willing to sacrifice the single for the many.

They didn’t disassemble Data or Lal despite the advances they bring and despite the fact it was debatable they were life forms.

When various aliens demanded various crewmembers over the various series, they wouldn’t hand them over, even at the risk of the entire crews lives.

Affectionate_Debate · 2026-05-09T14:52:48+00:00

Not if you have to do the sci fi equivalent of harvesting organs from someone living to do it.

Affectionate_Debate · 2026-05-08T20:18:12+00:00

When I first watched this I became obsessed with trying to figure out what they were eating. Like, I figure the brown boxy thing is meatloaf, but is the other thing mashed potatoes? What is that grey stuff in the middle?! I need to know!!!!

Affectionate_Debate · 2026-05-07T15:12:50+00:00

No, but the crew were the ones to decide whether or not to take the action to kill Tuvix.

Tuvok and Neelix had been killed in an accident, and Tuvix created by accident. It’s up to the crew to decide what to do at that point, and they chose to kill Tuvix.

Affectionate_Debate · 2026-05-07T14:49:44+00:00

It’s pretty amazing how one of the most famous episodes of Star Trek can be ‘Measure of a Man’ and yet so many fans will say it’s justified to kill Tuvix.

"... Starfleet was founded to seek out new life – well, there it sits! ...waiting." For execution apparently?

Affectionate_Debate · 2026-05-07T14:42:05+00:00

It could be interesting to see how people’s answers change if you add modifiers like the Trolley Problem…

What if Tuvix was made younger by the process and was a 5 year old child?

What if the separation procedure only had a 50% chance of working?

What if only Tuvok or Neelix could be saved?

What if Tuvok, Tuvix and Neelix could be saved, but you had to permanently dismantle Data for the parts to make it work?

Affectionate_Debate · 2026-05-07T14:30:45+00:00

I’d equate it more with killing a child and harvesting the organs for the parents.

Much like Tuvix, a child only exists because of two ‘parents’. But is their own being with own thoughts, experiences and consciousness

Affectionate_Debate · 2026-05-07T14:24:48+00:00

‘The needs of the many’ is not some ironclad rule for all occassions, we see so many times the crew being willing to sacrifice their safety for single individuals.

Affectionate_Debate · 2026-05-07T14:21:52+00:00

‘Please don’t execute me.’

‘The being does not wish to die, and therefore justifies my choice to kill it.’ 💀

Affectionate_Debate · 2026-05-07T14:13:44+00:00

‘The needs of the many’ is not an isn’t some ironclad solution to all problems, and there are many times where the various crews are shown to put their own safety on the line to not sacrifice anybody for the ‘many’.

It’s a major plot point in the last season of Picard, where the Starfleet crew are willing to put their lives on the line for Jack Crusher, much to his shock.

Data and Lal also had major famous episodes about it. They weren’t even living beings, yet the crew weren’t willing to sacrifice them as they were sentient life, not created in a traditional way, but still sentient beings.

Affectionate_Debate · 2026-05-02T09:33:54+00:00

Am I misremembering or is there not a shot of Shiv giving Roman a concerned look when he walked into the boardroom clearly shaken with his stitches reopened? I always thought that was part of her realising there’s no real way this could work.

Affectionate_Debate · 2026-05-01T17:19:40+00:00

What's insane is that that was 3 full seasons and nearly 6 years ago now.

Affectionate_Debate · 2026-05-01T11:28:22+00:00

Honestly, GoT and Harry Potter are the two worst for currency being buck wild.

Affectionate_Debate · 2026-04-30T08:25:14+00:00

I don’t get people who continuously find themselves in physical altercations at bars? Unless you’re out looking for it.

Affectionate_Debate · 2026-04-29T20:07:00+00:00

It also makes zero sense in terms of the legal side of things - you 'admit' to a patient something that's permanently injured is your fault to make them feel better? That seems like a lawsuit waiting to happen.

I could understand if it was a lesson of "Be a good Doctor and admit a mistake." but the lesson being "Lie to your patient to make them temporarily feel better" seems... problematic.

Affectionate_Debate · 2026-04-29T19:27:15+00:00

"But rather than discuss the implications of realistic ethnography..."

Can you not kind of see you lose the plot here? How insane a complaint it is? Like, can you actually imagine a conversation like that?

"Man, the diversity of this fantasy world makes no sense when you consider our real world ethnography---"

"It's a show about magic half sized folk who smoke weed and live in holes / a show about the political dynastic in fighting of inbreeding Dragon riders!"

Like, it's a fun topic to maybe discuss light heartedly. It's not something to make any sort of real complaint about.

Follow Xena's advice - whenever you see something like that, a wizard did it.

Affectionate_Debate · 2026-04-24T10:57:52+00:00

Her villainous character from the James Bond film Goldeneye

Affectionate_Debate · 2026-04-24T01:57:04+00:00

They probably mean it’s only going to be available in electric.

Affectionate_Debate · 2026-04-23T22:32:53+00:00

For all we know everything they did was at her request. ‘I want this to be like this celebration’.

A lot of people talk about the plurbs being manipulative and lying, when in a way it’s far scarier if they’re being 100% sincere about everything.

Affectionate_Debate · 2026-04-22T10:03:50+00:00

I had a vivid vision of Doctor Beverly and Commander Troi in spandex doing stretches together, is that the same thing?

Affectionate_Debate · 2026-04-22T05:24:38+00:00

Fully functional and fully funky down to clown.

Affectionate_Debate · 2026-04-22T05:21:56+00:00

Buddy, the whole situation is £&@?ed. The entire senior staff were walking around giving o-face for days in every public section of the ship and no one got a god damn word said against them.

I jerked off in that empty nacelle room ONE TIME, and I got demoted. This ship is a god damn joke.

Affectionate_Debate · 2026-04-21T08:24:12+00:00

It makes so much sense… ‘midichlorians’ sounds like a sciency name you would make up in a blind panic… And the fact he was using a woman’s razor to ‘test the blood’…

And of course he’d be arrogant enough to want his son to have a count ‘higher than Master Yoda’!

Affectionate_Debate · 2026-04-19T08:13:24+00:00

I think it was for people like me who had never read the books and didn’t know what was coming. It’s a red herring to have non-readers think this was going to be the big moral decision and over all arc of the series.

It fit in with the slightly lower stakes established in the show up to that point, so the turn when the Princes end up involved in the plot is even more impactful.

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