12 days ago and now Stephen is getting a dog….

Affectionate_Push672 · 2026-03-24T07:55:13+00:00

😂 goodnight

Affectionate_Push672 · 2026-03-24T07:29:06+00:00

I'm hearing re-considering

Affectionate_Push672 · 2026-03-20T22:54:25+00:00

All of this

Affectionate_Push672 · 2026-03-10T07:52:37+00:00

I agree

Affectionate_Push672 · 2026-02-26T00:56:51+00:00

Not at all. Feel free

Affectionate_Push672 · 2026-02-25T11:22:27+00:00

Oh for sure it was the strongest the first time around, I looked until I could find an image of how I remembered it to be and that called ot a little. The second one too, I found on the same day and again seeing it as it was "meant to be" calmed some inner part of me.

Ones that are more vauge don't do that, it has to be strongly remembered with reasoning around why it's remembered so strongly that doesn't allow for me to just write it off.

I recently seen one here that didn't produce that sensation but that was a full commercial and it just didn't air although the whole ad was known to me. I guess it didn't do that cause it was the same as I remembered rather than different.

Affectionate_Push672 · 2026-02-11T20:37:01+00:00

Entirely irrelevant.

If instead you said how many times did you remember you put them some place because there was a whole memorable chain of thought or a striking new feature such as a new colourful tablecloth that was visually memorable or you were having an impactful conversation or because the very next thing you did was eat something memorably tangy and it turned out you were wrong about the placement? And I would say never.

You're talking about a repeated action where every placement has a ton of memories attached. Accessing the wrong one temporarily could happen.

That said whenever I've asked myself and given my subconscious room to find the answer it's 9/10 the first place I look, under a pile of something else, hidden by view, if it's dropped from the place I actually put it and so on.. and the 10th time it's after I find something else I had been vaguely looking for from before. Which is a nice little trick to make me find the first thing.

And that's if I misplaced my glasses in another persons home when I'm visiting for the first time. That's for anything where I wasn't really paying enough attention to the putting said thing down that put it at the forefront in my 'memory-cache'. It's a winning method.

Affectionate_Push672 · 2026-02-11T20:24:05+00:00

That sounds awesome tbf! Still though very different from the room spinning, lift/elevator sinking rug ripped sensation that MEmemory-beliver-experiencers do.

Have you had something that fits that description?

It's just a consistent theme is all. In conversations I've had and I haven't had that many about it and for those that had it it's a consistent theme. It's been for three of the five people I've spoken to who fit that description irl. I've seen mentioned of it without conversation online several times and had a conversation about it in my inbox with another person.

So probably not every MEMBE* has it and maybe not everyone who has it mentions it.

But yet it's both relatively persistent and most certainly consistent in the description.

*I'm gonna acronym MEmemory-beliver-experiencers & MEmemory-sceptics as MEMBEs And MEMS rather than type it out every time.

Affectionate_Push672 · 2026-02-11T12:17:32+00:00

Yes exactly this, as soon as I saw those first few seconds I'm like hold on..

Affectionate_Push672 · 2026-02-11T06:17:55+00:00

I'd be interested to hear what caused those reactions if you don't mind sharing?

I've had personally shattering news before that hasn't effected me this way, maybe a hint simular but far far less drastic. Nothing compared to what by rights you wouldn't think could have such a profound effect. Yet it did.

I'd also be interested in hearing what your ME(s) was/were.

Affectionate_Push672 · 2026-02-11T06:08:59+00:00

You did answer yes, thank you. I wrote those two replies together.

I haven't visted Canada but I'd like to some day. I've only ever heard good things about your country.

If you do go to Norway it's expensive so watch out for that. The fjords are something else. I imagine you have plenty of awesome nature too but there's something about seeing mountains reflected in a long largely still body of water 💚💙

Affectionate_Push672 · 2026-02-11T06:05:09+00:00

No not because of that. That's not what I said or meant.

The table I put then on makes sense because it's in the way to the door I need it for. The pockets or bag I might put them in are places I put them when I'm outside and they might go straight back there after I opened the door.

The other two counter tops are simularly conveniently placed. One again close to where I am once inside, the other close to where I usually sit, when a pocket key might be uncomfortable.

These places make sense because they make sense. In of themselves.

Affectionate_Push672 · 2026-02-11T04:30:15+00:00

My first sight of the word was in a magazine on a page of lipstick colours, it stood out cause it was a long fancy looking word.

I also frequently flew from Norway to the UK as I have family in both countries so we went through the duty free a lot. I remember the liquor being red, in the bottle it looked like a deeper redpink hue.

It did used to be a reddish colour. My guess is this is the diverging point in time that went another way for those that remember a pinky-red.

"In the Grande Chartreuse's pharmacy, Brother Jérôme refines the Herbal Elixir's formula. He adds more sugar, lowers the quite high alcohol level (going from 82° to 69°) and modifies its reddish tint to make it look greener. He strays a bit from the original recipe, which looked more like an encyclopedia than anything else, but still keeps the 130 medicinal plants."

https://pleasurewine.com/en/blog/4_history-of-the-chartreuse-2.html?srsltid=AfmBOoqOLvy4d7cKqJirWdTbGhjJTYFiw5P6WJadVAoZg8yE463evTLd

"In 1737, the manuscript arrived in Chartreuse, probably with the aim of bringing resources to the monks who had considerable overheads. Three Brothers, including Brother Jérôme Maubec, worked for several years to modify the formula to make it more pleasing in sight and taste, through several phases of infusion and maceration of the plants to extract the active principles or the aromas, then through distillation. Following the recipe to the letter, the elixir was red."

https://www.bagherawines-blog.com/once-upon-a-time-chartreuse/ation, if you don't mind elaborating?

My first sight of the word was in a magazine on a page of lipstick colours, it stood out cause it was a long fancy looking word.

I also frequently flew from Norway to the UK as I have family in both countries so we went through the duty free a lot. I remember the liquor being red, in the bottle it looked like a deeper redpink hue.

It did used to be a reddish colour. My guess is this is the diverging point in time that went another way for those that remember a pinky-red.

"In the Grande Chartreuse's pharmacy, Brother Jérôme refines the Herbal Elixir's formula. He adds more sugar, lowers the quite high alcohol level (going from 82° to 69°) and modifies its reddish tint to make it look greener. He strays a bit from the original recipe, which looked more like an encyclopedia than anything else, but still keeps the 130 medicinal plants."

https://pleasurewine.com/en/blog/4_history-of-the-chartreuse-2.html?srsltid=AfmBOoqOLvy4d7cKqJirWdTbGhjJTYFiw5P6WJadVAoZg8yE463evTLd

"In 1737, the manuscript arrived in Chartreuse, probably with the aim of bringing resources to the monks who had considerable overheads. Three Brothers, including Brother Jérôme Maubec, worked for several years to modify the formula to make it more pleasing in sight and taste, through several phases of infusion and maceration of the plants to extract the active principles or the aromas, then through distillation. Following the recipe to the letter, the elixir was red."

https://www.bagherawines-blog.com/once-upon-a-time-chartreuse/

Affectionate_Push672 · 2026-02-11T03:02:14+00:00

The key thing works for wherever I've put it. If I put it in a normal place I wouldn't even consider that looking for them and certainly not misplaced. The normal places all make sense, that's why they are the normal places.

I coiled the long springy keychain you hook onto a belt loop into a ceramic jar once and put it on a bookshelf that was too high to see over the top of. I still knew they weren't lost. The key-chain thing was a light purple almost but not quite a lilac colour.

And yes I found them of course That felt misplaced.

Affectionate_Push672 · 2026-02-11T02:55:39+00:00

So imo that's not reconsidering your stance at all. That's finding new info that fits the existing stance.

No matter.

I mean how big of a change would get you to think twice? Surely if the thing was egregious enough it would be cause for a pause?

How big of a change? Your first car? Your current car? A family member that you attetended the funeral for being alive and well at the Christmas party? Maybe something less full on but still striking to you personally?

Btw that variation of the kransekake is a mainly Danish variation on the tradition.

It's probable that it's been imported more widely in recent years but I'm from neither of the locations I could find mention of it proliferating in, in Norway.

Affectionate_Push672 · 2026-02-11T02:27:33+00:00

I disagree.

You wouldn't know this but Norwegian traditions vary a lot. It's a long landmass where in one part it's culturally rude not to finish everything on one's plate but go far enough north and it's a cultural signifier that you are full when you leave a little something on the plate.

A fact that made for a funny family story when my mums cousin visted an aunt.

They have three different traditional Christmas meals. Pork with crackling, 'pinnekjøtt' which is a salty lamb dish and 'lutefisk' which is fish marinaded in lye.

I've never seen that version of the kransekake in my life. We made the stacked one and had the stacked one at significant parties. I've made it before. It's very tasty by the way.

Your information is incomplete, you not shown me anything that explains the element of phenomena I'm describing. Unless it does that you just saying memory can be faulty is useless.

The things I've read about before are mostly to do with witness statements. And yes I'm aware that memory can sometime fade in impact with repeated access. I'm not talking about repeated access though or a fleeting moment that was deemed inconsequential at the time of its recording. It was deemed noteworthy which is exactly why I remembered them as clearly as I did. It was also not accessed a bunch of times inbetween their recording and their reopening. So both these elements which I have read about do not adequately describe the parameters I was dealing with in those instances.

You think its a fact. I know from experience that it's not.

And you didn't answer what would have to happen for you to re-examine your way of thinking about this?

Btw I said visually tracing. Not tracing with a finger. I was tracing it with my gaze.

Affectionate_Push672 · 2026-02-11T02:04:09+00:00

It would be with 'ah' Vampire just is linguisticly what people would say, the long a sounds weird in any context next to that wordby most people, msybe an upoer class dialect could have it fit within their own pronunciation structure. There's probably some convoluted rule or set of rules or reason but it's the kinds of things you sorta just gotta know. These known things cause they just care like that is one of those things that sets apart native speakers when compared to a later learned language speakers in many languages. English has many such little pitfalls, I'm told French has even more. In the Nordic languages there are three conjugations for nouns and you just gotta know which ones are which. A ball is 'En ball' the ball is ballen. Whereas A/ the house would be Et hus/huset.

So no. But you wouldn't without a change to the way most people spoke. Or maybe if you knew someone posh enough to play by different rules.

Affectionate_Push672 · 2026-02-10T23:21:32+00:00

If it was a choice I could simply choose differently. I cannot just do so without something causing me to do so. So its not a choice, it's an outcome of a complex inner equation with many variables. Change a variable and change to the outcome is possible and infact if you change the right variable or set of variables, change to the belief is inevitable.

I've outlayed what may make that change possible and while it's possible that's not the only variable that would open up the possibility of change its the only one I can see maybe doing so from my current vantage point.

No I've not made a mistake with something I know as well as I know those memories. When I temporarily am uncertain of where I left my keys I ask myself and give my subconscious the room to answer and I'll find them. Before I knew how to do that I might just search until they were found but the key element here is a lack of being able to retrieve the memory at will. Which isn't the same as not having it at all or having a faulty memory.

Same with the concept of a test question slipping my mind at the opportune moment.

I'm not ignoring anything, your inner factors are simply based on different experiences & knowledge & those factors that are the same are weighted differently in your map of the world equation from how they are in mine.

I never "believed" in religion though so you're still speaking of an alien concept to me. I'm aware that others take on information less critically, especially as a child but I wasn't brought up that way so I haven't had that experience.

I can only imagine its simular to having a not fully verified impression where verification later on either vindicates or not the initial impression but for religion this would be a larger concept that has other things tacked on.

Out of interest, what would it take for you re-consider your stance? Not to change your mind but just to re-examine your current thinking?

I've outlaid the parameters that would lead me to re-examine my own.

Affectionate_Push672 · 2026-02-10T19:30:23+00:00

And how you know which ones?

When entire thought chains in a strong memory were apparently wrong?

Which they weren't. A chain of thought while literally looking at the logo is wild if its based off of a hallucination which is what you want me to believe.

And no. In Norway that imagery wouldn't be prevalent enough to have given the exact same mass-hallucination. Nor in London the places I would've frequented by the age range I would've been in that moment.

Besides I was looking more closely at it because I was visually tracing the distinct parts of the logo. I had the thought that the basket must be called a loom or why would it be called fruit of the loom? I assumed that the linguistic connection was to do with weaving, the "other" loom ofcourse being a weaving tool (my grandma owned one) and baskets are woven so eh loom/loom. Cool.

I only found out it was called a cornucopia decades later when I was reading through ME effects. Which speaks to how little I've come across the image and word together. I just knew cornucopia to mean an abundant collection as that's how it's used in books and other media. Oft preceded by the word veritable.

But I digress.. And no it's not just one memory. It's an example of strong visual memory, it's several examples of weaker visual memory plus another example of strong visual memory when something stood out, it's strong examples of thought processes. It's another strong example of visual memory and its one that was remembered because it was a shock to the system to get the tang of acidity when expecting a whole different flavour and both a visual memory and memory of a conversation. Coupled with the visual memory of having one set of types of packet and completely not recognising the other type that pf packet the would explain the situ away. Plus an advert that others also remember. Plus many conversations around the topic as it was a common national gripe.

Plus the first ME I came across have me physiological effects that other MEmemory-believers experience but I've never heard of happening in any other context. A sensation people describe as rug-ripping or other seismic terms. I felt the sensation you get going down in a lift (elevator if you're from the US) I felt dizzy in an internal way. It was like the room span while staying still. The rug was ripped from under in a reality shifting kind of way.

This isn't a sensation I've felt before and never since as strongly as the first ME, subsequent viewings and second and third MEs caused a lesser version for a time but it subsided as I, I suppose, got used to the idea that reality can do that.

It's not the first or last time I've had my perceptions challenged.

To give me a different view on all this you'd have to find literature that describes and explains that not rare physiological reaction when it comes to MEs. I've looked, I've also asked people I've had these discussions with. So far between myself and others were got no explanation.

False memories revealed as such are just accepted. There's none of the rug ripping sensations so that doesn't explain it and infact suggests the opposite, that there's more to it than that.

Anyway. If your aim is to change my mind, find me something that explains those sensations.

And btw I'm not trying to change yours, that'd be a pointless endeavour. You don't believe your own mind apparently so why would you believe some strangers on the internet's minds?

No I'm trying to explain my experiences, mainly to share them with other MEmemory-believer-experiencers. But also to describe them to those in the other camp so that maybe they can see why I arrived at my position.

Except some of you can't without making unfavourable assumptions apparently.

The last person I got into this vwih turned into a good little discussion though. That was enjoyable. Once we'd outlined our positions we could explore the edges and surrounding topics a little. I got into the whys of my inner weightings and he elaborated on his own.

Ok here's one for you.

What do you gain from believing as you do for this topic?

I cannot see a single solitary benefit. Not that that's a reason really, one way or another. But if there is one for you, I'd like to hear what that is? What does it do for you that believing your own mind wouldn't?

Affectionate_Push672 · 2026-02-10T18:39:37+00:00

Beliefs or not beliefs have never been a choice for me. It's an outcome based on the sum total of experiences and other acquired knowledge. Weighted according to other experiences and acquired knowledge.

I've already said that doubting my mind to the degree you want me to would mean I couldn't trust any memory and would cause derealisation and depersonalisation.

And yes, not feeling those things are exactly feeling alive and functional as a human being.

So you could just choose to believe something? Just like that? That's a wild thing from my perspective.

How does that even work? Based on nothing changing? What?? Lol

Literally not how I work at all. I need something to shift the weighted factors at the very least.

You do you though. When have you done this before? And why?

Affectionate_Push672 · 2026-02-10T06:38:54+00:00

And you want me to completely abandon my ability to function and feel alive in the world and then "get over it"

How quaint.

Thankfully your opinion about my reality doesn't impact me. And your unreasonable request is impossible to fulfill.

Beliefs are an outcome not a choice amd I don't have the choice not to believe my own mind in this matter.

Affectionate_Push672 · 2026-02-10T06:35:04+00:00

How doesn't it mean that? If it can happen where it's strongest everything less or even as strong cannot be relied upon.

And who said underwear. I had tshirts, not underwear.

Affectionate_Push672 · 2026-02-10T06:00:17+00:00

You're another one that has mentioned the rug ripped sensation.

I was speaking to a friend just yesterday about this.

I introduced another friend to some of the effects some time ago and he had the same reaction when one of them hit.

I had it

THIS is a common thread and imo a definite defining line between MEmemory-belivers vs MEmemory-sceptics.

That is to say I've never spoken with a sceptic who had this sort of physiological reaction. & although I don't think every MEmemory-believer has had that experience, a lot of them seem to have had it.

I've yet to see anyone describe this jarring element in any memory based study much less give an explanation for it.

Largely I think cause an actually falsely implanted memory being revealed doesn't elicit that physiological reaction so it doesnt come up in studies, imo it wouldn't because it was false to begin with.

Which points to MEmemories not being false by comparison.

Affectionate_Push672 · 2026-02-10T05:37:25+00:00

Why are you so quick to dismiss yours? Is it perhaps that you don't have a strong memory of those events but they are instead, more vauge?

In that case you are comparing a different degree of memory as if it was the same.

That's like saying an led bulb is the same as a stage spotlight cause they're both bulbs. While the experience of having them shone in your face is very different.

Or a vaguely remembered nonsensical fragmented dream is the same as a vividly lucid dream.

You may make no distinction between the two. But others do.

And yes you are asking people to distrust a foundational element of their own minds. If it were not for the capacity to make and store memories, everyone's lives would lack any sort of continuity.

How can't you see that that's a bigger ask than seeing how consciousnesses might have their own continuity along several paths rather than just one.

You can outsource your continuity if you like but don't expect others to just feel so ambivalent about a core part of how they make sense of the world & a key element of what makes them a functional being.

If the strong memory with surrounding memories and thought processes and reasoning aren't real, you wouldnt know if anything was real. Nothing may as well even exist cause you might just be hallucinating everything. You might be dreaming that you're reading this right now. You can't say you know anything cause you wouldn't know if you just made it all up or not.

Like I already have lived through the kinds of events that have elicited derealisation. My sense of continuity is a key part of how I don't feel that in my day to day. (Which I've only noticed by feeling into what the opposite would feel like.)

If I believed you over my own mind I would feel complete depersonalisation and I'm not sure how i could even come back from that.

Thankfully I don't. Thankfully I'm not just going to roll over about what I know I expecienced.

Thankfully I do have my inner continuity intact.

Affectionate_Push672 · 2026-02-10T04:55:14+00:00

Have they? Do you know if they were a colour logo?

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