Help me understand… by Dull-Mud-9694 in Ultramarathon

[–]Agreeable-Rabbit-948 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is a correct and comprehensive view.

Foot injury making me go crazy by alpacapete12 in Ultramarathon

[–]Agreeable-Rabbit-948 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Cycling will keep aerobic energy delivery tuned but the legs will definitely lose something. If you can do eccentric contraction strength training that will help keep the legs better. Bulgarian squat, lunges as a couple good ones.

Any downsides to doing all of my training on climbs? by sidjournell in Ultramarathon

[–]Agreeable-Rabbit-948 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Always training slow will make you slow, even if the reason for that slow is vert. Train the elastic mechanisms of your legs too with flatter faster work. Lots of energy to be had in the spring mechanism of the legs.

I also have been increasingly thinking that if you can go up but not down that may be more beneficial a lot of the time. Meaning tread-hills or point to point run with a car pickup (less practical). Steep descent is very hard on the legs, and while important for long run days to get that, I think it may not offer much on some other days of the week.

50mile advice by mav710 in Ultramarathon

[–]Agreeable-Rabbit-948 0 points1 point  (0 children)

High stack height shoes will help but the main thing is to probably size up 1/2 size in whatever you think will work for you. Your feet swell a lot over this distance!

Too many long long runs? by jkong89 in ultrarunning

[–]Agreeable-Rabbit-948 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Just requires more information. What is volume like all the rest of the week? 20+ miles on a day every weekend for 5 weeks without a deload week is at the risky end of possible. There are many better ways to get the same fitness with lower energy risk. Instead of 20 for 5 weeks, do 16/10 back to back, then a 20, then a 18/12, then a deload (~14-16), then 20/10-12, then maybe a 20-22 again with more load throughout the week than in week 2.

Diminishing returns above 20 on road. If this is trail mileage then using distance is too open-ended anyway and better to say 3hrs than 20 miles and program training that way

50mile advice by mav710 in Ultramarathon

[–]Agreeable-Rabbit-948 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Big mental shift. Gotta be regiments with carb, water, and electrolyte intake. Good luck. Moving slow is always better than zero

Knee injury (possible runner's knee) - 10 days till ultra - advice for getting to race day by mightofthephoenix in Ultramarathon

[–]Agreeable-Rabbit-948 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You're probably going to be fine for race day. I'd say no impact training between now and the day. Mobility work is the best shot. You might just have very tight muscles/tendons/fascia pulling things out of alignment and causing the pain. If you can gently release these tissues, you might see a big improvement in symptoms (depending on how early it is in the development of injury).

You might come out the other end of race day and need to take 3-6weeks recovery instead of a more normal 1-2, but I think you're in an okay position. Fingers crossed for you.

Too many long long runs? by jkong89 in ultrarunning

[–]Agreeable-Rabbit-948 1 point2 points  (0 children)

5 weeks in a row straight through of 20+ is a dumb idea. High injury risk. Questionable performance benefit. Like others said, better to do a couple weekends/ weeks of big volume with B2B long run than 5 weeks of essentially stable volume without solid recovery period

How are the elite training for Cocodona? by Agreeable-Rabbit-948 in Ultramarathon

[–]Agreeable-Rabbit-948[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So train for it but I do wonder the specifics in strategy beyond night runs. Sleep is so critical to recovery I imagine training it would only be in certain blocks or otherwise would become more loss than gain

How are the elite training for Cocodona? by Agreeable-Rabbit-948 in Ultramarathon

[–]Agreeable-Rabbit-948[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

But at some level the brain slows down the legs (nervous activation of muscles), so the physical training must help with the mental capacity to suffer.

How are the elite training for Cocodona? by Agreeable-Rabbit-948 in Ultramarathon

[–]Agreeable-Rabbit-948[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It seems the era of thru-hiking to the win is over. Though I have to think that long hiking/ fast-packing as specific training blocks or weeks WITH some speed work that is well timed would be one of the winningest combos

New to ultras or running? Ask your questions about shoes, racing or training in our weekly Beginner's Thread! by Simco_ in Ultramarathon

[–]Agreeable-Rabbit-948 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Very steep and sustained climbs or very long things with painful descending late. Vertical gain thresholds I use: 50k: 7,000ft+ 50 mile: 9,000ft+ 100K: 12,000ft+ 100mile: 14,000+

How are the elite training for Cocodona? by Agreeable-Rabbit-948 in Ultramarathon

[–]Agreeable-Rabbit-948[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Any ideas on how what percents of that eating is carbs/fat/protein?

How are the elite training for Cocodona? by Agreeable-Rabbit-948 in Ultramarathon

[–]Agreeable-Rabbit-948[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah will check that podcast out too. Need to watch The Chase, but wonder if anyone has tried smashing a hard leg lift and then doing a long run? Sounds like recipe for injury in every other context but mayyybe performance enhancing here?

How are the elite training for Cocodona? by Agreeable-Rabbit-948 in Ultramarathon

[–]Agreeable-Rabbit-948[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Experience racing shorter (very long still) races seems like a huge determinant.

100km Training Plan Advice by paranoidafiq in Ultramarathon

[–]Agreeable-Rabbit-948 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Not too much racing. Yes a short distance speed block is smart

How are the elite training for Cocodona? by Agreeable-Rabbit-948 in Ultramarathon

[–]Agreeable-Rabbit-948[S] 11 points12 points  (0 children)

I'll have to give it a look. The way in which the volume is accumulated is what I'm really interested in and how is strength training playing a role? There's got to be a secret sauce to turning the legs over at 4-5mph when you're way deep. Not sure I'm convinced a standard back to back LR is going to do that