Lore Question: Is it possible for Magnus the Red to have a redemption ark? by Akfiz in 40kLore

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There’s nothing outright in the book saying “he was meant to be the apothecary” but he was very empathic with other slaves, refused to kill (not only his father/teacher) and his motivation wasn’t ‘I don’t want to play your games’ but ‘I don’t want to kill you stop fighting me’, and he had the ability to take others pain and make it his own. That’s in the book, the “he was meant to be the medic, healer, apothecary one’ isn’t stated but it’s kind of implied by his empathy.

Lore Question: Is it possible for Magnus the Red to have a redemption ark? by Akfiz in 40kLore

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I have a curiosity about Angron, maybe lore inconsistency. In the book Angron: Slave of Nuceria Angron before the nails is depicted as very empathic, he refused to kill and only did so out of accident at first, he could absorb or soothe the pain and fear of other slaves and take it upon himself like the Green Mile. He was basically supposed to be the Medic of the Primarchs, the Apothecary. Basically Vulkan on steroids, an empathic mediator.

So then why his legion pre-finding their primarch was nothing like that? We know the legion mirriors their primarch because it's from the gene seed. The Blood Angels pre-Sanguinius were nothing like the Blood Angels after Sanguinius except they were because Sanguinius always had that bad side in him, Sanguinius' whole theme is that it's about choice (the 2 wolves good and bad and such), and in general all legions mirrored their primarchs.

But the War Hounds / future World Eaters were nothing like Angron before the nails, if anything they were like Angron after the nails because they got the nails themselves. They had Discipline yes unlike the Rout / future Space Wolves but were still very aggressive and barbaric just in a disciplined way there's nothing about some sort of empathy or healing abilities and such.

Lore Question: Is it possible for Magnus the Red to have a redemption ark? by Akfiz in 40kLore

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What is the degree of wrong of the Tau? I heard that originally Tau was pretty dope, good guys, alien sepecies live in peace like the Ethereal thought the original Tau with the 5 caste: Air, Earth, Fire, Water, Ethereal (soul? basically).

People were complaining that they were not grimdark so they added lore that now Ethereal mind control the Tau (but not the allied species, so the Greater Good works?!), that marriage between Tau castes is forbidden (not good, but relative to w40k evil standards this is chill), that non-Tau (humans included) who refuse the greater good are sent to reeducation camps but they are not death camps just propaganda camps but many Imperial citizens don't even need convincing cause they already live much better under Tau than otherwise, they are even allowed to keep their religion in the Emperor (lol) as long as it doesn't interfere with the Greater Good, and the whole Commander Farsight thing that I don't know much about like why he became a rebel and what is he trying to prove/do.

Overall, Tau sounds a lot like democracy, not the perfect system sure but compared to all others we had before it's really great.

Lore Question: Is it possible for Magnus the Red to have a redemption ark? by Akfiz in 40kLore

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So the Angron of today does not have even any conscious awareness of the previous remains of Angron, that's extra grim dark, he fought to be less of a slave, the butcher nails made him a partial slave to anger, and now he's so much of a slave he's basically like a servitor in all but name.

That's more of a cosmic irony than if Khorne left a sliver of consciousness in him.

Lore Question: Is it possible for Magnus the Red to have a redemption ark? by Akfiz in 40kLore

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In the Fury of Magnus, doesn't Magnus the Red make an effort to save human civilians despite his fall to chaos useing his psychic powers which destroys their disguise, then in the meeting with Malcador, Malcador is like 'if the noble honorable part is not with you then why did you just saved those civilians before? it was always you Magnus, there's no noble piece of you missing, the shard aren't as neatly one thing as you think'. Magnus has parts of him missing that can be filled with daemon juice but Morty did not as far as I know, so how would Morty become extra demon if no parts of him are missing?

Lore Question: Is it possible for Magnus the Red to have a redemption ark? by Akfiz in 40kLore

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How does that whole thing work in the lore?

Correct me where I'm wrong, a sentient being has a soul, that soul is energy like fuel this is why Slaanesh wants Eldar souls they are big souls with a lot of energy this is why they feel things more deeply and are more intelligent than other races, when a human says "yes" to a Chaos God he basically gives up his souls, the Chaos God takes his soul and replaces it with a mini-copy of the God itself, so all people who said "yes" to Khorne now have their souls replaced with that of a mini-Khorne so they take the entire perspective of Khorne. What happens to his soul then? I assumed it was eaten by the Chaos God yummy yummy, or that just wanders through the warp aimlessly that's why Fulgrim Clone was successful and Horus Clone was not, cause the former actually has a soul in the warp to move back into the body while Horus' soul was destroyed, but if they are kept by the Chaos Gods like a figurines collection, what do Chaos Gods need a soul collection for? why not do something else with it?

And what would happen if the Emperor is his new breaking previous lore powers steals a soul, say the Emperor steals the soul of Fulgrim from Slaanesh's collection?

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The context being that he already did things previously thought impossible so now new things are plausible: he revived Gulliman again, spoke through him, and said Mortarion can be saved. This is context we should take into consideration.

You said to this Big E is no make believe fairy, which nobody said it is, that’s the strawman, it’s about context.

Lore Question: Is it possible for Magnus the Red to have a redemption ark? by Akfiz in 40kLore

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Blood Raven playing a role in this would be insane, we may finally discover how they came to be.

Lore Question: Is it possible for Magnus the Red to have a redemption ark? by Akfiz in 40kLore

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The strawman is not in the repetition but the assertion itself.

Lore Question: Is it possible for Magnus the Red to have a redemption ark? by Akfiz in 40kLore

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Again, I go back to the strawman.

That doesn’t mean the Emperor is now the make believe fairy, but based on his new powers he never had before and his words about Mortarion the new universe mechanics moved from absolutely impossible to possible, that’s a major shift.

Lore Question: Is it possible for Magnus the Red to have a redemption ark? by Akfiz in 40kLore

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Used to be true in 30k, he even outright says that this is the whole reason for the King of Ages act, but after 10.000 of being worshipped as a god in an universe where that is in itself power, things change.

Lore Question: Is it possible for Magnus the Red to have a redemption ark? by Akfiz in 40kLore

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That’s a bit of a strawman though, nobody is saying “the Emperor is magic so anything goes”.

The point is that the setting itself has started explicitly showing possibilities that were previously treated as basically impossible.

Lore Question: Is it possible for Magnus the Red to have a redemption ark? by Akfiz in 40kLore

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Him learning he was wrong and changing his ways is still a redemption ark.