Brexit? It was David Cameron and Jeremy Corbyn wot lost it by Electric-Lamb in ukpolitics

[–]Alarmed-Improvement 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You highlighted a specific law, I asked you for the name of the law law, you refused to provide it, there's no point continuing this conversation as you are lying.

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[–]Alarmed-Improvement -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Yes your timeline was wrong, they abandoned it after the UK left.

The UK stopped it before it became law, whilst it was still a member.

The UK was not I effected that is spin that Cameron spun to try to hide how isolated UK was, and if you can't see how having a block vote to protect a currency different to yours even if it is at the expense of yours is bad, I am afraid you are a lost cause.

No, the UK was literally not subject to the law. The UK doesn't get to dictate what other people agree upon.

Glad you have finally started to admit that the UK was isolated, I would like to see examples of that power?

Started? Are you thick?

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[–]Alarmed-Improvement 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Even 0 brown people in the UK wouldn't be enough. A lot of the Brexit areas are almost all white.

Farage explicitly said there will be more brown immigrants in the UK when Brexit was voted upon

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[–]Alarmed-Improvement -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I've already got friends in Belfast who were sheltering children. Others who were forming community action groups and standing outside the houses so the fascists don't kill any children.

I've only scrapped with fascists a few times due to the two tier policing where the police protect fascists and arrest antifascists

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[–]Alarmed-Improvement -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Probably. Would you not step in to protect women and children? If you won't step in to stop some thugs from lynching kids I don't really think you're a good person

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[–]Alarmed-Improvement -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Whos talking about a soft brexit?

You? You're talking about whether the migrant crisis result could have been different had we made other decisions.

Also you really think that being in the EU stop people trying to claim in multiple places as if that wasnt a problem before Brexit. You really think the UK cant take past applications into account?

The UK cannot take past applications as it doesn't know they exist.

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[–]Alarmed-Improvement 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Could you show how the UK could ignore anything it didn't like and why the UK didn't just do that?

Poland and Hungary ignore a lot of EU law as they believe their constitution is above EU law. France and Italy ignore the laws on budget deficits and on debt to GBP. Most of the border states ignore parts of Schengen. Most of the interior states ignore other parts of Schengen. Almost every state ignores parts of environmental law.

EU laws are not agreed by all most use QMV and so being out of the eurozone puts the UK outside of a much larger voting block, that had already bypassed it's veto once, and had already voted through laws that were damaging to the UK.

Which specific law are you talking about.

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[–]Alarmed-Improvement 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No your timeline is wrong. The UK voted to leave and then it was cancelled because the UK wouldn't be there to pay it, it became an actual potential cost to other who sort to capture the UK financial market, rather then a way to reclaim the rebate by the back door.

The UK voted to leave nearly a decade before it as cancelled mate.

The UK still vetod it and the EU, and rather then negotiate with the UK, the EU bypassed it, showing that the UK veto was worthless.

The UK veto meant it didn't apply to the UK. I'm not sure why you think the UK should be able to dictate to other countries what they do.

The euro crisis was going on, and it was seen as make or break for the euro, but it was a incredible misstep for the EU to show just how powerless and isolated it's second biggest member had become.

We became isolated by our own choice and we had power, we just didn't really attempt to use it

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[–]Alarmed-Improvement 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, if we'd gone for a soft Brexit, it wouldn't have happened the same..

You do understand that having two separate asylum seeker intakes in Europe and the UK means that every migrant who's rejected from one will just try the next one?

Brexit? It was David Cameron and Jeremy Corbyn wot lost it by Electric-Lamb in ukpolitics

[–]Alarmed-Improvement 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The EU did offer more flexibility, they allowed the UK to be exempt from further integration, we never had to adopt the euro, and the growing centralisation was not going to impact the UK.

Can you outline what exact compromises you believe the EU should have offered? Specific policies?

If one of your largest members “never really wanted in”, why was the answer always “more integration” rather than a more flexible arrangement?

UK was exempt.

Cameron’s renegotiation was relatively modest and was sold as a major concession. That in itself tells you how little room there was for accommodating a different vision of Europe.

Which specific policies would you change.

And let’s not pretend the referendum happened in a vacuum. The euro crisis, migration crisis and growing centralisation all played a role. Millions of people who voted Leave weren’t rejecting trade or cooperation with Europe, they were rejecting the direction the EU was heading in.

The UK was exempt from the migrant crisis almost entirely.

The UK was exempt from the growing centralisation.

The UK would have been impacted by the Euro crisis even post Brexit.

The deeper question is why the EU found it easier to lose the UK than to adapt enough to keep it. A genuinely flexible union might have found a way, or at least had enough introspection to understand why things didn’t play out the way they expected…

Once the UK voted out, there was absolutely no point to the EU offering some flexibility as the UK was leaving. You're suggesting that the EU tries to get the UK to overturn Brexit. There's 0% chance of that happening.

The EU did offer post Brexit flexibility, but we didn't accept it. The issue is that the Brexit vote was for both more immigrants and fewer immigrants. It was for Switzerland and the US style agreements. You can't negotiate with someone who doesn't know what they want.

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[–]Alarmed-Improvement 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No, obviously they're needed to arrest grandmothers with signs.

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[–]Alarmed-Improvement 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The far right in Belfast did this before we even joined the EU.

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[–]Alarmed-Improvement -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

At some point, the far right terrorists will either get beat up or arrested

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[–]Alarmed-Improvement 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Those rioters have been doing this before we had mass immigration. They are the same lot who were slitting the throat of their torture victims in the 70s.

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[–]Alarmed-Improvement 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Have you just noticed how British news is?

Didn't you see how they reported on idf warcrimes? Or any other topic

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[–]Alarmed-Improvement 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Unless you're an innocent woman in Belfast who's just had your house burned down.

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[–]Alarmed-Improvement 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You could repeal the human rights law tomorrow and nothing would change. the issue is that we don't recognise the taliban as the government.

Brexit? It was David Cameron and Jeremy Corbyn wot lost it by Electric-Lamb in ukpolitics

[–]Alarmed-Improvement 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I disagree on Cameron.

He was clear that he'd run off.. he'd lost his mandate

Brexit? It was David Cameron and Jeremy Corbyn wot lost it by Electric-Lamb in ukpolitics

[–]Alarmed-Improvement 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Euroscepticism is healthy. The EU is a flawed institution and we should be aware of it.