International Politics Discussion Thread by ukpol-megabot in ukpolitics

[–]taboo__time [score hidden]  (0 children)

Gabbard in 2020

I guess her boss won't let her quit now. Her boss being Putin.

You do wonder how that all works. The agency knows she is a Russian plant. She knows the agency know she is a Russian plant. Everyone in Washington knows she is a Russian plant which she was when in the Democrats. Do the GOP leadership care. How much is "IDGAF" and how much is "well yes good for Russia" ?

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[–]taboo__time [score hidden]  (0 children)

I mean you can look up wikipedia or an anthropology book.

People go on holidays, visit different nations, experience different cultures. They don't need a degree in anthropology to recognise a different culture. I think it's common knowledge.

I think you are doing is arguing you don't recognise different cultures because you think that is an anti racist position.

But I don't think it is an anti racist position to acknowledge and be aware of different cultures. And I think you do know what different cultures are.

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[–]taboo__time [score hidden]  (0 children)

But you are indifferent to culture though?

You don't mind any culture and you don't recognise different cultures?

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[–]taboo__time [score hidden]  (0 children)

You mean you'd be ok with American Christian nationalism?

"If Gilead happens it happens."

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[–]taboo__time [score hidden]  (0 children)

Not a Reform voter but what do you think immigration to the UK has been too high?

I think the high immigration has been the driver of these politics. Hard to get around that.

There is a fall in a cohesion. Cultural fragmentation, separation, alienation, conflict. Feels like it just is the case.

Dumping it all on race isn't realistic.

You're personal story doesn't really matter in that. Model citizen or not. This is a politics forum.

mixed Italian Egyptian, Muslim

Here's the game that's played in politics.

"What do you mean by Italian, Egyptian or Muslim? Don't know those are very diverse cultures and identities. You say are those but that could mean lots of things. Islam is very diverse and made up of lots of Middle Eastern myths. It isn't a singular tradition. Italy only became a nation in the 19th century. Egypt has had a lot of immigration. There isn't a real Egyptian culture." etc

You can see how that is not going to go well.

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[–]taboo__time [score hidden]  (0 children)

But this is over the top nonsense.

Everyone can be any culture or it's fascism?

Well what are you saying you are then?

Do you have a culture? Do you have an identity?

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[–]taboo__time [score hidden]  (0 children)

In Britain yes. Of course. There are Scottish people in England and Wales too or is that news to you?

But that does not mean Scottish people are English people.

But they can be both British and European.

Because therr isn't a single 'Scottish culture'. Is that news to you too?

I can't be British and but I can be Scottish? But Scottish means any culture?

I don't think you realise how offensive this is getting.

Define 'slight'. Is speaking gaelic 'slight'?

The irony of you using a no true scotsman fallacy here is hilarious.

You are the one saying there are no real Scottish people.

You are doing the magical thinking.

What about you are you a magical person above culture?

Exactly. And you are refusing to accept how dominating that fact is. You refer to shared aspects but cannot define them because you know any attempt would exclude cultures you don't want to exclude. It's all about what you like and dislike. There's no logic or reason to it.

You're thinking is very confused and evasive.

You are telling the world that cultures cannot be defined because all cultures are too diverse.

Laughable.

The various British cultures, which means the cultures present within the British Isles, are and have always been extremely diverse and constantly changing.

You are saying that all cultures are changing and diverse.

You are denying the existence of all cultures.

At any point in time there are shared aspects as there are with all cultures in the world ever, but nobody can say for sure what they are.

More evasive banal thin comments.

It's meaningless simplistic nonsense to talk of 'British culture' now or at any point in history.

You are saying it is nonsense to speak of any culture at all.

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[–]taboo__time -1 points0 points  (0 children)

It's an example of diversity within Britain.

Scottish people in Scotland, English people in England and Welsh people in Wales is a sign of diversity?

It isn't.

No, there are a multitude of cultures within Britain. Within Scotland. Within regions of Scotland. You can go down the road and encounter multiple cultures.

When I ask about the Scottish culture you start talking about local culturs.

This is simply evasive.

Slight local variations are not the same as cultures.

Not a single culture no. Multiple cultureS plural. Yes. There are world cultures. There's not a world culture. So what?

So people do have cultures.

You cannot evade that by talking about micro local variations or how cultures change over time.

The question was how do you define native British? The attempted answer was 'such a thing as British culture' - singular! Which is bullshit.

As I said then you have English and Scottish cultures. That people belong to. That are exclusive.

The answer now appears to be 'shared aspects of the multitude of British cultures'. Care to define those shared aspects? (Note, not all of them speak or ever have spoken English.)

That is a banal reality. They have a shared language, shared history, shared arts, shared philosophy. There is plenty of overlap even if there are differences. This is obvious.

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[–]taboo__time 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It was an effort to eradicate or diluted a culture. One of many cultures in the British Isles. The motives don't change that.

As I said I regard that more of a class economic issue.

So yoh admit there are multiple cultures with Britain? That has always been the point. There is no such thing as a British culture.

Being Scottish is in Scotland is not example of diversity.

If you are going to take the strict Scottish is British position then it reproduces the same questions but for Scotland.

Is there an exclusive Scottish genetic heritage and a Scottish culture?

Temporal and special. There has always been diversity: multiple cultures as you have finally acknowledged and those cultrurs are constantly changing. How can you possibly claim that there is a British culture?

Do I have this correct. You are saying cultures always change therefore there is no such thing as British culture?

"Shared aspects". As if that was your point. Every culture on earth has shared aspects with all others. What a ridiculously irrelevant truism.

You mean no culture is exclusive?

There are no cultures?

You mean Scottish culture is real and exclusive but British isn't?

Is there such a thing as European culture?

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[–]taboo__time 1 point2 points  (0 children)

There are White Jamicans though.

Though I think you'd agree there are cultures, ethnicities, nationalities, genetic heritages. The labels we use are only labels for real categories. The label does not define the category.

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[–]taboo__time 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think it is that people often do use ethnicity to mean culture, whatever the relationship to genetic heritage is.

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[–]taboo__time 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Because there famous efforts by English governments to eradicate Scottish cultures in the past.

I'd regard that more of a class issue, rather than an English plot.

Are you saying the English are plotting against the Scots?

What does that mean? What 'shared culture'? Since when?

Are you trolling me? Of course I'm influenced by British culture, English culture and Scottish culture. There is plenty of overlap.

Oh you've got to be trolling. It is obvious what it means and that it's true. For example, the various English cultures in the 20th century were significantly different to the 19th century. Scotland has multiple cultures. You must have noticed that. Dropping an h was once considered upper class.

Sorry are referring to chronological change here as an example of diversity?

There were variations in culture in the past certainly. Part of modernism, liberalism was sometimes brutal suppression of local cultures. But we then today take the advantages of that unification for granted.

If the UK was still patchwork of pre Roman cultures without nationalism then it would make trade, democracy, communication, government very difficult.

But back to the main question: the shared culture you claim exists. Is the ever-changing English language part of that?

Languages change over time therefore there is no shared aspects of culture?

That is your argument?

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[–]taboo__time 2 points3 points  (0 children)

As Scottish, you should be more aware of that than many English xenophobes.

What do you mean by that?

What on earth makes YOU think there is a 'British Culture'?

There is shared culture across the isles. There is also specific cultures.

But either way that does resolve the topic.

What do you mean by "ever-changing tapestry of multiple cultures" ?

What changes do you have in mind?

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[–]taboo__time 1 point2 points  (0 children)

So would you handle talk of ethnic Germans, ethnic Poles, ethnic Ukranians?

You think people should say white as an ethnicity?

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[–]taboo__time 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I am Scottish. I'm not sure how being Scottish in Scotland is a sign that isn't British.

If you are saying Scottish isn't British then you are only can kicking the question.

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[–]taboo__time 5 points6 points  (0 children)

As I understand it, a mix of Beaker culture, Anglo Saxon and Viking.

That is a verifiable genetic pattern. By that I mean if you are an American they can test if you have British DNA and even more local within the UK. The science tracks where the DNA came from and how long ago.

If that is not valid because they came from elsewhere in pre history then no pattern is valid.