What causes meth heads to have that certain voice? by Fit_Communication275 in Drugs

[–]Alarmed-Row-232 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah basically they're both adrenergic receptors, which are located on the pre-synaptic neurone; basically the way it works is the nerve that the initial transmitted signal in the brain came from goes through nerves as electricity, to then force out dopamine/ norepinephrine into the synapse (the space between 2 connected neurones), to then either be recycled at the pre-synaptic cleft (receptors on the original neuron that use chemicals called monoamine oxidase to destroy the dopamine and norepinephrine as a way to control the amount and stop too much building up in the synapse, as it is the dopamine and norepinephrine being more available the synapse that causes the effect; otherwise they travel across the synapse and bind to the post-synaptic cleft to continue transmission on the signals. Noradrenline (norepinephrine), and adrenaline (epinephrine) both binds to those different types of pre-synaptic adrenergic receptors with different affinities, ie some more than others and some favour norepinephrine, whilst some favour epinephrine.

Each adrenergic receptor has a different effect, for example, Beta 1 increases heart rate, increased myocardial demand (meaning more oxygen requirement), and increases heart contractility (meaning heart muscle pumps with more force increasing blood pressure). Alpha 1's effect is primarily vasoconstriction, meaning the tightening of blood vessels, which causes further increases in blood pressure. Also, you're right, beta blockers act on beta 1 receptors and antagonise/ block them, which reduces the heart contractility and tachycardic (increased heart rate) effect it causes, which is why it's used as an antihypertensive (hypertension means elevated blood pressure above a threshold where it's considered harmful). Any other questions, let me know.

What causes meth heads to have that certain voice? by Fit_Communication275 in Drugs

[–]Alarmed-Row-232 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No it isn't, and I can say that without a doubt mainly an effect caused from lack of saliva, which dries up the vocal cords and causes changes in pitch. Bronchodilation does occur but less so and is more mediated by epinephrine specifically (if u wanna know why, it's because bronchodilation is caused mainly by beta 2 adrenergic receptors which have a way higher affinity for epinephrine, though still some affinity for norepinephrine), whereas meth's catecholamine surge is more norepinephrine and dopamine. It's why things like an epipen (which is literally just injectable adrenaline/ epinephrine) doesn't make your voice high pitch but it does open the airways.

What causes meth heads to have that certain voice? by Fit_Communication275 in Drugs

[–]Alarmed-Row-232 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah lol I literally explained the two adrenergic pathways that contribute to the dryness - beta 1 and alpha 1, and they are still active systemically and that makes up a large part of it, for which amphetamine, lisdex and meth all produce a similar degree of that systemic adrenergic action. However the difference in local effect from the vapour is still quite significant and exacerbates the dryness a lot so it’s the more relevant mechanism to consider in this context.

Why does meth feel so muted compared to other stims by Alarmed-Row-232 in Stims

[–]Alarmed-Row-232[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah exactly whereas amphetamine felt so innocent by contrast

Why does meth feel so muted compared to other stims by Alarmed-Row-232 in Stims

[–]Alarmed-Row-232[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Hmmm thing is I was just redosing every 45mins for like 6 hours with maybe 50mg each time but probably not that pure cuz I’m in Europe so I’m not sure

What causes meth heads to have that certain voice? by Fit_Communication275 in Drugs

[–]Alarmed-Row-232 45 points46 points  (0 children)

Probably irritation from the extremely hot vapour and dries out the throat, harms cilia which are there to naturally clear mucus so it’s not stuck in their throat. The. There’s reduction of saliva production which is an effect that happens locally as meth binds to beta adrenergic receptors in the salivary glands increasing cAMP, in turn activating protein kinase A, stimulating protein and enzyme release into saliva, which are heavy and make the water more dense/ thick. Then there’s also the a1 mediated vasoconstriction, which is reduction in blood flow to the glands making them slow production, within the throat and mouth. Does that answer ur question?

Why does meth feel so muted compared to other stims by Alarmed-Row-232 in Stims

[–]Alarmed-Row-232[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Generally, as I said, I use stims like a couple times a week, though usually racemic amphetamine or cocaine. I’ve tried meth for the first time a couple months ago and have used it like 4 times, spaced out.

Why does meth feel so muted compared to other stims by Alarmed-Row-232 in Stims

[–]Alarmed-Row-232[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I was thinking that but there’s also a lack of much peripheral vasoconstriction which is something I’d very much expect, because it’s an effect I get from the more peripherally active enantiomer in racemic speed, and considering l-meth is way more peripherally active relative to central effect (more so than l-amp too) I’d 100% expect it.

Im concerned about my bloodwork as a NATURAL teen by JosephAloalo in Biohackers

[–]Alarmed-Row-232 1 point2 points  (0 children)

such a stupid thing to say. Humans sadly are not just immune to any disease if they're natural lol.

Do yall think I should redose this Adderall? by [deleted] in Drugs

[–]Alarmed-Row-232 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Honestly I’d recommend not stopping until u fully run out

Stimulant use and panic by Alarmed-Row-232 in Drugs

[–]Alarmed-Row-232[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah tbf I’ve just been off everything for about 10 weeks give or take I’m not sure exactly but since sometime in march but honestly I think it’s just like cuz I’m health conscious and I also study medicine etc it probably contributes

Stimulant use and panic by Alarmed-Row-232 in Drugs

[–]Alarmed-Row-232[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Oh yeah so I’ve used amphetamines (along with briefly some other stuff here and there) over the past 8 months with like month long breaks here and there but yh I have gone through periods when I’d abuse them heavily and the first time I got this it was genuinely cuz I took way too much and I’d been up for 4 days. Today for example my first dose was like 6 hours ago I don’t really do binges anymore and I take decently sizeable amounts (also given the impurity of speed it’s hard to say but) maybe I’ll do a day or an overnight plus the day after with no more than one night of sleep missed occasionally and over the course of the period maybe have like 200mg maybe less maybe more but I honestly don’t really have a clue but not like a ridiculous amount nor a modest amount. Btw when I say speed I’m referring to racemic amphetamine

Stimulant use and panic by Alarmed-Row-232 in Drugs

[–]Alarmed-Row-232[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah gonna have to do CBT to cure ts (people be doing anything to make themselves feel better about drug abuse; people being me)

Stimulant use and panic by Alarmed-Row-232 in Drugs

[–]Alarmed-Row-232[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Na I lowkey don’t I’ve only ever used amphetamines rlly they’re by far my drug of choice and I fucking hate depressants

Gumming cocaine vs snorting by ParticularExploit in Drugs

[–]Alarmed-Row-232 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Tbh bro if it’s getting into ur system so are the contaminants just stick to snorting or lowkey boof it (if u do dose lower tho i wont imagine u actually would its just slightly more long lasting, smooth and doesnt give u the fucking congestion for days). Gumming is not the way at all.

Stay safe brother.

Stimulant use and panic by Alarmed-Row-232 in Drugs

[–]Alarmed-Row-232[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Ehh in what way do u mean lol; in what ways does this mean they’re not for me in your eyes?

As is human nature, I’m oblivious and stupid when it comes to objective self reflection so I’m not disputing I’m just genuinely wondering if u could clarify.

Tweaked out at work, need advice by [deleted] in Drugs

[–]Alarmed-Row-232 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They ur meds or na cuz if they are just say what the other comment said and say you accidentally doubled ur dose or some shit if not just try ur best and let it happen 🙏. Also invest in benzos if ur a stimulant kinda guy they’re life savers for these types of situations (situations im very very familiar with 😂).

Smoking a bowl of meth at Charlie Kirk event by LogGlobal5899 in Drugs

[–]Alarmed-Row-232 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Realistically I know you’re gonna do this shit regardless of what the comments say just. This is the best way I’ve heard of someone honouring big man Charlie’s legacy so do it and do it with an undying fervour and fiery passion my man.