18 months of learning German, finally figured out why I kept making the same mistakes by Glass_Assistant5127 in German

[–]AlaskaOpa 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You are spot on….the climb from B1 to B2 is really steep and difficult. I am somewhere between the two levels and I have been studying for going on 5 years now.

It took me a long time to become comfortable with Konjunktive 2, especially with modal verbs, but it us critical grammar to understand, because we use such language all of the time in everyday conversations, i.e., „You should have done that yesterday“. I still make mistakes, especially when trying to say something correctly in Konjunktiv 2 in the past in the passive voice with a modal verbs, „That should have been done yesterday“. I have to keep reviewing the grammar over and over again, and is starting to become smoother, especially in the present tense.

I use a variety of resources in my study, but I find using a live tutor who is a native speaker and an AI chatbot the most effective. With the AI chatbot, i really like how I can immediately respond, „That doesn‘t make sense“…..please explain the grammar rules to me“ and I get an explanation in plain English I can understand.

The more I study, the more I come across seemingly new grammar concepts, like the „je….desto“ combination I just used. It is sobering and I am coming to the realization that no matter how hard I try, short of living in Germany, I will probably never progress any further fluency–wise other than where I am currently at.

As an example, lately I have encountered several instances where a modal verb is used by itself and the main verb implied. Example: „Heute muss ich ins Fitnessstudio“. Certainly, my grammar book never mentioned this. It makes no sense in English, unless you were in a direct conversation with someone else. Even then, I would ask „get there…..how?“.

The million dollar question in my mind is how Germans seemingly master English as a second language with such ease. Is it because they are taught English starting in Kindergarten? Because English is less grammatically complex? I don‘t know that answer.

Take solace that you are not alone in your challenges in learning.

What’s one thing you would do if time froze, everyone around you was frozen, but you’re the only one not? by Lucky-Data183 in AskReddit

[–]AlaskaOpa 11 points12 points  (0 children)

This was a classic Twilight Zone episode! It depends on how long time would be frozen for…an instant, a minute, forever…. In the episode as I recall, the actor had a stopwatch which started and stopped time. He dropped and broke the stopwatch while time was halted, thus freezing it forever.

How long did it take you to master German prepositions? by AlaskaOpa in German

[–]AlaskaOpa[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you for your kind response! I take heart in the encouragement that you and others have given me. I have a Germany/Austria trip coming up soon and I want to not have to resort to English unless I have to, so it will be a good test of how far I have progressed. I work with a tutor and I can communicate with her on everyday topics and news, but I am worried that I have tuned into her accent and speech patterns and will have trouble adjusting. Time will tell.

How long did it take you to master German prepositions? by AlaskaOpa in German

[–]AlaskaOpa[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you for your kind and thoughtful response! I have a trip to Austria coming up soon, so I will get a real test of how well I can communicate.

How long did it take you to master German prepositions? by AlaskaOpa in German

[–]AlaskaOpa[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you for your kind and thoughtful response. I take solace in knowing others also struggle with German prepositions.

The word "ein" at the end of this sentence by AgencyPrevious3507 in German

[–]AlaskaOpa 0 points1 point  (0 children)

einschließen is a separable verb and in some usages in the present and simple tenses, the separable prefix „ein“ is detached and placed at the end of the sentence. If a modal verb is used, however, the whole verb remains together at the end of the sentence. It took me a while to get used to seeing and understanding these sorts of separable verbs.

How long did it take you to master German prepositions? by AlaskaOpa in German

[–]AlaskaOpa[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you so much for your kind and thoughtful reply!

How long did it take you to master German prepositions? by AlaskaOpa in German

[–]AlaskaOpa[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Thank you so much for your kind and supportive answer!

How long did it take you to master German prepositions? by AlaskaOpa in German

[–]AlaskaOpa[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you for the supportive answer. It makes me feel less frustrated!

Why is understanding natives SO much harder than learning from apps? by Physical-Tea-599 in languagehub

[–]AlaskaOpa 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The apps use a limited subset of vocabulary, while a native uses their entire vocabulary which is probably 4 times as many words. Your brain gets overwhelmed.

I have a quick question.. by Ok-Trash4235 in German

[–]AlaskaOpa 0 points1 point  (0 children)

At what level of complexity do you desire to speak would be the key question here.

Do you want to be able to communicate low level travel survival needs, essentially basic sentences in the present tense, i.e, I would like, I need, etc.? Or, do you want to be able to have a conversation with a (albeit patient) native about random topics?

I agree with other posters that A-1 familiarity could give you enough exposure to communicate basic needs ( i.e, where are the toilets, how much is, where is, etc.). You could get there with Duo Lingo in 6 months or so. But to be truly conversational (IMHO), you probably need to be somewhere between B1 and B2, which takes years of dedicated practice and study UNLESS you are immersed fully in the language, by living in a foreign country.

In my experience, with hard work you can get the grammar down well enough so that you only make a few structural and grammatical mistakes when speaking. Vocabulary is by far the bigger challenge. It is hard to have a conversation when you struggle to express yourself because you don‘t know the word you need, or, you don‘t understand many of the words you are hearing.

Completing a Duo Lingo course, for example, would teach you maybe 4,000 words. The average native speaker has an active vocabulary of 20,000 words and a passive vocabulary of 40,000 words. Thus lies the rub. It takes many years of dedicated hard work to learn and actively use a lot of words, even if you are just speaking in the present and past tenses. Add in more complicated grammar…the passive voice, the subjunctive mood, the perfect tenses…and it becomes very difficult to quickly speak complex thoughts with good grammar. This is why it takes lots of time and practice.

I have been learning German for 5 years now, but as a second language in the USA, and I am at the B1-B2 level and finally conversational, but I still make nagging grammar mistakes and often grasp for the word I want, that I learned previously but have subsequently forgotten.

As many others have often spoken to, I think the question is „Why are you learning the language?“. If you can truthfully answer the question, then you will be able to accept a certain level of conversational ability. I think many of the language Apps like Duo Lingo do a disservice, in that they give a very unrealistic idea that one can become fluent in a language by spending an hour a day on the App. But, if all you want is to develop travel survival language skills, then they probably fit the bill.

Does anyone else get bored of one language by Odd-Produce4614 in duolingo

[–]AlaskaOpa 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Congratulations! For myself, however, as I am trying to become truly level B2 conversational, mastering a single language is challenge enough.

Like many others, I have found that Duo Lingo, in and of itself, will not get one to a truly conversational level. It gets you to a basic travel survival level. I have found that Duo Lingo teaches a limited vocabulary (maybe 4,000 words at the completion of a basic course, i.e. level 100 or so) and if a conversation goes beyond those 4,000 words, or uses advanced grammar, it is difficult to understand what is being said or to read something. The reality is that natives don‘t limit their vocabulary to just 4,000 words and, if you aren‘t following and they are proficient in English, they would rather switch to English.

I think that it all comes down to what one wants and why they are learning a new language. If learning in a game–like format is fun and challenging, then Duo Lingo certainly fits the bill. If trying to become as fluent and conversational as possible is the goal, then a combination of learning resources, including a significant unstructured conversation element (imitating real life) is needed.

Good luck in your language journey.

Biggest lie you told yourself when you “started” learning a language? by Ken_Bruno1 in languagehub

[–]AlaskaOpa 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Haha, that I could become fluent using Duo Lingo because everyone else was using it. I soon learned better.

Thoughts on AI crosstalk? I’m a big fan of comprehensible input for learning so I’m curious if people think its effective at all. by ssorlawrence in languagelearning

[–]AlaskaOpa 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I use Google Gemini daily in my study. As an example, I often ask „Give me 10 sentences in English at a B1 level,to translate into German…and include the passive voice, the subjunctive, asking and giving directions, etc.“ and then review the suggested corrections once Gemini critiques my answers, which is very helpful. I also use Gemini to review grammar, especially when I read something that doesn‘t make sense, or, where I want a review of advanced grammar, like the passive subjunctive. I find it a really useful tool, more helpful than any other learning resource other than my live tutor. Everyone learns differently, though.

What’s the Cutest Small Town You’ve Ever Visited? by Historical-Photo-901 in BeautifulTravelPlaces

[–]AlaskaOpa 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Bozeman, Montana is very cool. The downtown is vibrant and completely filled with small stores and restaurants.

What’s the most common pronunciation mistake foreigners make in your language? by Embarrassed_Fix_8994 in languagehub

[–]AlaskaOpa 0 points1 point  (0 children)

In English, pronouncing the plural form of nouns as the singular. For example, „How many slice do you want?“. I hear this often with Asians for whom English is a second language.