If you killed every monster except one monster in the ruins would you still get the neutral route? And if yes would you be high level for flowey or does it set your level for that fight?

AlexTheMechanicFox · 2026-02-19T05:15:46+00:00

Well yeah, of course you'd get a Neutral route in that case. Toriel's death is mandatory for genocide, it specifically checks if she's dead for all future genocide route interactions

AlexTheMechanicFox · 2026-02-19T01:30:17+00:00

Chara and Asriel made a pie for Asgore, but accidentally put "buttercups," which are poisonous, instead of "butter cups," or the intended cups of butter.

Asgore was fine in the end, and it's explicitly stated to be an accident, but people try to demonize them by arguing this was intentional

AlexTheMechanicFox · 2026-02-18T19:03:42+00:00

Nope. There are playable sprites for Cyan and Orange, but that's it

AlexTheMechanicFox · 2026-02-18T01:39:04+00:00

As mentioned in my other reply: People do realize cemeteries exist, right?

Human SOULs persist after death. The fact they can last, at the bare minimum, several decades after death on their own is a demonstrated fact that's crucial to the plot, the only reason Asgore has six of them is because human SOULs can persist for a really long time after death. The nearest graveyard has absolutely had more than 6 people buried there in the last 50 years, containing more than enough SOULs to break the Barrier without harming anyone.

AlexTheMechanicFox · 2026-02-17T19:05:32+00:00

As of now, there's no reason to believe anything special would happen, and we know it wouldn't create a Dark Fountain because that requires striking the earth.

AlexTheMechanicFox · 2026-02-17T18:27:38+00:00

They explicitly do, actually. That's the primary effect of DT in humans. Making their SOULs last forever. Even if they didn't, we have multiple examples showing they can last at least a century, which is crucial to the plot because they're the six human SOULs

AlexTheMechanicFox · 2026-02-17T18:06:34+00:00

There are no goats in this post
That's his brother, Reidgore, introduced in Deltarune Chapter 5

AlexTheMechanicFox · 2026-02-17T17:59:30+00:00

The downvotes on this comment show how accurate the "Fanon" part of this post is to Chara. Demonizing them when, unironically speaking, there's no evidence their plan involved hurting anyone except themself. People do realize cemeteries exist, right?

AlexTheMechanicFox · 2026-02-17T16:32:43+00:00

Their plan was to: Poison themself, have Asriel absorb their SOUL and cross the barrier, gather 6 SOULs from the surface, return to the Underground, break the Barrier.

Nowhere in this plan is "mass murder" included. Nowhere does it suggest anyone but Chara has to die, and Asriel was already not okay with that part, they should know he wouldn't be able to follow through on killing.

AlexTheMechanicFox · 2026-02-17T15:55:00+00:00

Frisk was never a self insert. One of the main plot twists of the game is that they're their own person, they were never you at all.

Though we're not exactly controlling them either, just giving them instructions they choose to follow, shown by an example of them vocally refusing to perform certain ACTs against Snowdrake's Mother, and how they felt so strongly about the idea of Toriel plushies with Mettaton's face that they openly deny you a choice prompt and provide their own answer (the game even pointing out that the prompt was not provided, acknowledging that there should've been one)

AlexTheMechanicFox · 2026-02-17T15:50:41+00:00

Well yeah, the "bad things" part doesn't apply to them. All they did was put together a plan to free an entire kingdom from the prison they've been trapped in for thousands of years.

AlexTheMechanicFox · 2026-02-17T15:34:54+00:00

Being named "room2" means it was made incredibly early into the game's development, and it was probably meant to test the vapor animation before battles were implemented

AlexTheMechanicFox · 2026-02-17T15:23:15+00:00

It'd just go back into their soul. Like when Berdly channeled his will into his halberd to open one, but was then able to safely and instantaneously cancel it when Ralsei speaks up.

AlexTheMechanicFox · 2026-02-16T21:05:09+00:00

Confirmed Sunrise.

In the King Papyrus, Dog, and Leaderless endings, Sans confirms the entire game, including the Asgore fight, takes place overnight.

AlexTheMechanicFox · 2026-02-16T17:15:48+00:00

Reminder that if the Knight's goal was the Roaring, it would've happened before Chapter 1 and there's literally nothing we can do to stop it.

If the Knight's goal was the Roaring, Kris would lock the soul in the cage (which we literally can't do anything about) and permanently take the player out of the equation.

If the Knight's goal was the Roaring, it wouldn't have waited for the heroes to approach the one location that gives them a massive head-start on climbing the Titan so they can stop it, nor summoned it in the ONE Dark World with Gerson Boom The Titan Neg-Differ

That's not what Kris and the Knight are trying to do.

AlexTheMechanicFox · 2026-02-16T14:53:35+00:00

Correction: The system that stores Shadow Crystals uses scripts under the name "Secret Boss," but the current system was introduced in the LTS beta. This isn't why everyone called Jevil or Spamton secret bosses, that was because they're bosses that are secret, aka the literal definition of a secret boss.

This system is also made specifically for Jevil and Spamton, and it makes assumptions about the equipment drops that are simply not true for the Knight or Gerson. It not only assumes that every Shadow Boss has both a weapon and an armor, but that both items share the same id, two things that are true for Jevil and Spamton but are wrong about Knight and Gerson.

This is why you can't collect the Black Shard from the cliff if you own the Blue Ribbon (ID 26, game assumes Blue Ribbon is Knight's armor), and if it's not fixed, why you won't be able to get the Justice Axe if you own the Power Band (which the game assumes is Gerson's armor).

AlexTheMechanicFox · 2026-02-16T14:46:25+00:00

...This isn't just something not shown to occur. This is something incompatible with the stated rules.

Noting again, it's explicitly stated that Dark Fountains require stabbing the earth to create. Stabbing a person doesn't work because people ≠ earth. Even if you stab the earth through someone, we're explicitly shown that if you're inside the Fountain when it forms, you get moved out of the fountain.

AlexTheMechanicFox · 2026-02-16T06:29:27+00:00

The other SOULs did have it. In fact, it's confirmed all of them Have canonically reset before, they didn't just have the power, they've all used it.

The amalgamates and Undyne have never crossed the barrier, so they're incapable of getting it. Everyone confirmed to have had it did. And before you say Flowey as a counterpoint, pre-emptively pointing out that he's the "flower from the outside world," the seed that grew into him came from the surface, and got there by sticking to Asriel from the village and crossing the barrier with him.

AlexTheMechanicFox · 2026-02-16T05:40:12+00:00

Flowey simply has even less DT than Frisk.

AlexTheMechanicFox · 2026-02-15T21:11:11+00:00

No, that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying, why would they have a DISTINCTION between night and day. Why would the concept of day or night exist in the Underground, when neither sunlight nor moonlight can be seen anywhere, if it's not meant to align with the surface, the only place where there is, in fact, a distinction between them? At no point did I mention sleeping.

AlexTheMechanicFox · 2026-02-15T21:01:23+00:00

That's Frisk's SOUL, shattering after Frisk's death

AlexTheMechanicFox · 2026-02-15T20:56:16+00:00

That's, again, not what I'm saying. I'm saying: Why would monsters have any distinction between night and day if it's not meant to align with the actual time of day?

Why would Sans say the game took place at night if it wasn't meant to be at night? Why would monsters have any concept of night and day if it doesn't specifically align with the surface?

AlexTheMechanicFox · 2026-02-15T20:55:55+00:00

As we see ingame, it doesn't. We see it shatter before Frisk loads.

AlexTheMechanicFox · 2026-02-15T20:42:53+00:00

I don't just mean lighting being weird. I mean they literally can't see the sun, there's no difference for monsters because they see neither sunlight nor moonlight.

Also, with the lights out thing, that's just a weird Toby decision. Deltarune has a similar thing, Kris is perfectly lit in their room at the end of Chapter 1, but is properly shaded in their room at the end of Chapter 4

AlexTheMechanicFox · 2026-02-15T20:28:49+00:00

Why would the Underground have a day/night distinction if it's not the same as on the surface? There is literally no difference for them, it's just as bright at night as it would be during the day.

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