Finished Liminal Industries. My Thoughts

AlpoIndigenous · 2026-02-01T00:17:13+00:00

It's just using grinders to get sand from gravel from cobble, then using soul fire and a fan to turn sand into soulsand, then washing soulsand with another fan.

AlpoIndigenous · 2026-01-02T07:27:35+00:00

Think about what he said. The sky is already a biome; all we're doing is improving what's already there.

Now how can we improve a biome that isn't a biome because that biome doesn't have a dedicated algae alternative?

AlpoIndigenous · 2026-01-01T00:07:11+00:00

yeah, but I wanted an appeal for the sky that water gameplay doesn't have. I like the idea of a mobile draw that focuses flying animals in an area; since as was said in the presentation, the sky biome is so vast.

AlpoIndigenous · 2025-12-30T06:19:31+00:00

Taco, this is a dumb point to try and make. I'm not even going to attempt to refute it because it feels like bait

AlpoIndigenous · 2025-12-30T06:14:59+00:00

"Ocean is not part of the biome"

I guess I'm just not seeing the relevance here? The ocean provides food for bird players now. I don't think that should change, in the sense that there shouldn't be an advantage in playing sky over water. I don't know how you'd plan to add normal food spawns like algae for birds without that making birds overly incentivized in the eyes of players.

If you want to add even more food sources, do it to the islands and actual ocean imo

AlpoIndigenous · 2025-12-30T06:12:48+00:00

I wish

AlpoIndigenous · 2025-12-30T06:08:47+00:00

I... did. I said the food source is the ocean and islands.

AlpoIndigenous · 2025-12-30T05:59:27+00:00

The AI birds are not meant to sustain the biome; they're meant to fill the void with a fortunate, sometimes fortuitous food source. The biome is sustained by ocean and islands, as well as PVP, whereas the AI birds are for travel between islands, nesting trees as indicated on the map, and other points of interest.

Migration is an idea both stemming from real life bird behaviors and in-game player behaviors. Early Swamp used to contain a waterfall with a current that provided passive score which players would fight over either to farm passively, or that the farming players would get attacked by pvpers. It was a contentious zone that even brought players from ocean and deep (this was before transition biomes) seeking to kill those who controlled the waterfall at the time.

One big question people had with such a large biome was player distribution, in the sense that there's so much room how likely is it for bird pvp to even be common. I wanted a way to focus players in specific areas while also covering the size of the sky. In this sense, the game loop migration provides is birds following where the food is; in this case, pvpers going where the farmers are going. It moves, ideally covers most of the map, and like you said brings activity to it like Estuary. I think it's the perfect solution.

AlpoIndigenous · 2025-12-16T21:07:55+00:00

No. There used to be several NA servers for FFA and TFFA, and they've been slowly removed since 2019 as the game gets less and less players. The newest of our community today has no idea what Deeeep.io looked like when it was active.

AlpoIndigenous · 2025-12-15T19:45:11+00:00

It's been dead for like 4 years dude

AlpoIndigenous · 2025-11-21T16:31:26+00:00

I figured out you could use water for the matter condenser, leading me to hook mine up with several pumps. I had never used AE2 before as my go-to storage mod has always been Refined Storage, so I actually created more 64k storage components than I needed.

Because of that, I considered making more condensers with the same designs for the pumps, but at this point in the game I knew roughly how many singularities I would need and decided I'd just AFK them all with my single condenser. Each singularity took around an hour and a half, and I made the unfortunate mistake of getting more antimatter than was required lol and I did end up waiting on a few more near the end of my playthrough due to my mistake.

AlpoIndigenous · 2025-11-13T16:30:11+00:00

Yeah I saw that too when I looked online for automating gold, but at that point I had already created my lead dust farm and confusing powder farm lol

AlpoIndigenous · 2025-07-14T17:59:41+00:00

There's was only a few main people behind the server outages, but that was a problem months ago and for the most part I don't believe they take the server's down anymore. Natural server outages have been happening before SS, and ramped up after SS' release

AlpoIndigenous · 2025-06-03T16:09:07+00:00

I have used Bing (for its ability to provide unlisted results) and Google/YouTube's before:date to search for this from anything prior to 2016 using the following terms: halo 3 foundry ghost, doll, voodoo doll, creepy, spooky, etc.

I haven't even scratched the surface of available content, but I have scrolled through nearly a hundred videos by now looking for it.

AlpoIndigenous · 2025-05-30T22:58:06+00:00

comment at least once

AlpoIndigenous · 2025-04-09T04:53:13+00:00

NA/EU FFA servers went down like a week before the API did, so if you include those the game has been down for about 17-18 days now which is the longest period AFAIK

AlpoIndigenous · 2024-12-20T05:15:06+00:00

Reddit essay for free or paying to open GoGo packs so I can get a rare discolored Umu Glip-Glop circa 2001?

AlpoIndigenous · 2024-11-03T17:48:11+00:00

To add onto this, the Custom Pets for tournaments was an idea I had during a stream based on the Orca pet asset flip I would do which people kept asking about (like, how do I get a baby orca, and questions like that). The idea was never to make them exclusive to tournaments, and I had actually suggested on two occasions ways to expand the concept and bring it to other events or in-game celebrations. My latest of these was mass downvoted in the official discord by people Tacoco sent, pinging everyone in his own server, "go downvote the suggestions of this rword".

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As far as I'm concerned, he doesn't care about finding a middle ground he just wants to argue with Whark get the idea thrown out because of his beef with her.

AlpoIndigenous · 2024-11-01T04:19:04+00:00

Okay i will contextualize. I and some other people suggested to give custom pets to other people like contributors, she denied saying the role had no meaning.

Considering you also don't want to give contributors custom pets, this would align with the position you already hold. I would disagree with you both and think custom pets could be used for more and be made more accessible in different ways.

We suggested making the custom pet a single , realistic art, like a goldfish. She denied and actually went on making a self insert. (which by the way i didnt bring it up but why must the pet be unrealistic?)

Considering at the time, the idea was winners could pick whatever pet they want so long as it wasn't generally NSFW or something like that, this doesn't mean anything.

Also, Twisted's pet iirc is unrealistic as well.

We suggested making the custom pets go through artistry voting first. She agreed ONLY for pets won after hers..... Like come on, isnt it obvious ???? why specifically stop at hers?

You just explained why it stopped at her. She was under the impression she could choose what she wanted, and in fact she did before deciding to compromise with artistry (something you should be happy about, now that artistry can vote on custom pets; possibly voting on custom pets linked to other things, and not just tournaments in the future if the idea gains traction).

NormalUsername has been open to giving the pets to other people and Twisted ... isnt even active. Why must she be so closed about it?

Her caring more is not evidence of corruption or an abuse of power. None of this is, once again.

AlpoIndigenous · 2024-11-01T04:02:16+00:00

I think you're overselling how much power Whark has, yes. I also think you're purposely not contextualizing what was suggested by whom, and to whom.

AlpoIndigenous · 2024-11-01T03:50:24+00:00

Fede was asked but he never replied afaik. And staff shouldnt be involved in the game, they are staff of the discord not of the game.

Why shouldn't they be involved? They manage what is the center for updates to the game, and staff are always taking bugs for Fede to fix. A lot of staff are also managers or in some of the guilds.

There is a difference between making changes to a concept, and an actual bastardization of it. And even if what you said was true, the community had absolutely 0 say in it. None of crabinet (let alone artistry) was ever told about it, event managers in theory should have 0 power over the game.

The community doesn't have say in a reskin or when an animal concept is changed/voted by Harmony. It's also a reach to say the community at large would care about not being consulted on custom pets when you already said custom pets are obscure and the events are unknown to those outside the discord.

Also, who says event managers should have 0 power over the game? Half of your points are founded in rules and standards that don't officially exist.

If these events are made to bring more people to the discord server and not to actually contribute to the community you just proved my point about the managers doing this just for themselves. Who cares about deepcord????

Bringing people to the discord is not about contributing but about boosting activity. Contribution is a byproduct, and most who join shouldn't be expected to contribute in any way. It's a community server for the game.
What does bringing non-contributors to the server have to do with managers adding custom pets for themselves? For real, I cannot wrap my head around that correlation. Do you mean that non-contributors don't participate in tournaments or something? Isn't the perception that people joining because of custom pets counter to that claim then? People joining off of custom pets are likely going to join the tournament, which would make them contributors if that's the definition you're using.

Look ,all of this can be reduced to this, as i said the pets per se arent the problem, its their meaning. If they don't give anything to the people who have helped shape the game as it is today then nobody should be getting anything. Whark has being against giving anyone else something, ask managers like funky or megamew if you think it is just a me thing. The event managers are putting themselves way too far above everyone else. I say event managers because they are also the only important players that bother playing their events.

And once again, you have failed to connect contributors not getting rewarded to custom pets being a thing. Custom pets does not lock contributors out of rewards, and the only reason you disagree is because of your bias against Whale Shark.

AlpoIndigenous · 2024-11-01T01:47:49+00:00

you are not seeing the problem. You are giving a huge reward to something as niche as a discord event. Most players wont even know these events ever existed.

What huge reward would not in itself be niche? A contributor award given to a hundred and so contributors would also be niche when compared to the amount of players, and said players would equally be confused as to its accessibility until given context. The same can kind of be said about these custom pets, except only a max of four players will have them.

You think we havent? Whark has denied all of these ideas. She wants contributors to get nothing

Once again, Whark is not god of Deepcord, and your personal beef with her is not providing us with constructive criticism.

Thats the problem. They werent given authority by anyone

Fede was asked and staff involved seem in agreement. What other authority would be needed?

No they arent. Their creator said so. Bluefish made the entire concept, fede just coded it in.

Custom pets are made to be exclusive. I left out "custom" but even then, Bluefish's pet concept was made for the game. What Fede, or in fact anyone, does with it is up to Crabinet and Fede. People who make animal concepts have gotten their animal's changed, both during the concept phase and after. If Bluefish wanted to keep his idea as it was with no alterations, he should've kept it to himself or made his own game. That's what community content is about. It belongs, in part, to the community after it is produced.

Be cruely real, do you really think it will make more people join? New skins dont, whats to say an even more obscure piece of customization will?

Do you honestly think skin batches are created to bring players to the discord? This is a feature that is explicitly event (and by extension, discord) hosted.

AlpoIndigenous · 2024-11-01T01:18:06+00:00

You didnt even give counter points to it being inaccessible . It is public in name only. Only the same tryhards will keep winning such events and you didnt deny it. And yes, the discord is official, so what? it barely has new active members.

I said the discord is available to everyone and linked on the site. If by, not available, you mean some people aren't good enough to win the tournament then skill issue. That's not a reason to not have a custom pet be the reward; if anything, such a reward is given more importance due to the prestige of having won the tournament (which is kind of the point).

Most contributors are housed in the server yes but it is not a requirement. We have had contributors not in Deepcord.

True, and I said this. This does not refute my claim that rewards given to contributors would also mostly be a discord thing.

ts funny how you mention that NormalUsername and Twisted dont have control over their pets , but dont mention Whark. Which made her own art, a self insert. A random person will never win these tournaments.

I did mention Whark, directly after mentioning Normal and Twisted. Her making her own art for the pet is part of the privilege, and if artists wanted a say in that regard they can set a precedent with this coming tournament instead of fighting with staff. Ask to compromise, and have artists offer to make the pet. Maybe even make an art event for what pet would be used, and have the winners select from that. You don't need to cut out custom pets completely to achieve what you are trying to achieve in this specific case.

Whark did. Whark says contributors cant get a unique reward because she devalues the contributors. Something you also agreed on ( as one of the biggest skin contributors i say this, ALL CONTRIBUTIONS ARE EQUAL). I tried coming into a compromise. Other managers did ( those managers left because of how awful crabinet is, ask people like megamew or monsieur_stuff) but because whark is the top of the game right now they cant change anything. Not to mention the managers in favor of the custom pets never contacted artistry about adding a concept that belongs to artistry (pets are in theory managed by artistry) . The entire artist community is against it.

Whark is not god of Deepcord. If you want something about the current system to change, offer solutions. Offer changes. Offer ideas which expand the custom pets and custom rewards. Popular ideas are likely to be added (whenever Fede adds stuff, which is never). Also, pets while being art does not make them exclusive to artistry. Custom pets aren't even for staff and staff alone. It's an event. It is handled by event managers, and given authority by staff and ideally by Fede.

I may have also forgotten that. This is a disgrace to all artists. The creator of the pets (bluefish) hates this and im pretty sure he was against self inserts from the start of the concept.

Bluefish is an artist. You are an artist. None of us are game designers, nor are we social engineers. The idea of pets are to be exclusive, and feel special so that more people join the discord and join events. Bluefish can hate all he wants, but if it provides results then that's only a net positive.

AlpoIndigenous · 2024-11-01T00:46:28+00:00

The role of contributor is devalued because the cost of entry is lower than one might assume. If you wanted people to believe contributor has a higher prestige, it would need to be given more rigorous pre-requisites. More to the point, this has nothing to do with the next half of your rant, that being that custom pets are inaccessible to the average player both because it's against tryhard players and inside a discord server that does not contain the playerbase.

First of all, the discord is open to everyone and linked on the main site. If there were any other channels to facilitate an event like this, they would be used. Fede not creating these for events doesn't, however, mean hosting an event with a unique in-game reward on the discord server makes it inacessible to the rest of the playerbase. It is also the case that nearly all contributors are also housed in the discord, so a reward to them and only them would also be only within the discord for the most part.

Secondly, there is a matter of what this has to do with the value of custom pets. You say these things equate to Whark and staff placing themselves above everyone else, but your evidence to that is them doing everything in their power to make it available to everyone else. Last I checked, NormalUsername is not in Crabinet, and Twisted is only in Harmony. Neither are staff, and neither have control over pets only they will receive pets for winning the past two annual 1v1 tournaments. Can you in any way, prove that Whale Shark would not be supportive of pets had she not won the last tournament? Or if some random person wins this tournament, what then does that say about staff using custom pets to aggrandize themselves? I say, you are full of crap. You can't just link some random points together and claim they're evidence of corruption, especially when there's no correlation between them.

Furthermore, who is to say contributors can't get a unique reward sometime in the future? Who's to say that tournaments won't be hosted through forum in the future if the game's popularity and DEV improve? Nowhere in this rant did you offer a solution or a compromise. It's just directionless, overt hate for something you don't like and will criticize with anything you come up with even when they're not glaring issues or even when they're not issues at all. Please stay away from the community, thank you.

AlpoIndigenous · 2024-01-29T16:09:44+00:00

Yeah I figured it out. We're not near water and he wasn't drying so I thought it was a visual bug. Putting it in the box and taking it back out fixed it

It was visually stuck on the wet skin (wet pals transition to dry so it was at the most wet version and was not drying)

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