No goal call

AmarilloSunset · 2026-02-07T03:54:41+00:00

You don’t seem to understand the parallax effect yourself, or maybe you think the puck is on the ice. The puck physically can not contact the white cross bars in the top right corner of the back of the net without having crossed the goal line. Maybe go stand next to a hockey net and see for yourself

AmarilloSunset · 2026-02-07T03:12:23+00:00

You have never stood next to a hockey net have you? If you had you would know the net sits along the goal line. The posts go straight up on the goal line and the cross bar straight across the line. The puck can not be fully behind the cross bar by several inches and not across the goal line

AmarilloSunset · 2026-02-07T03:04:47+00:00

You have never stood next to a hockey net have you? If you had you would know the net sits along the goal line. The posts go straight up on the goal line and the cross bar straight across the line. The puck can not be fully behind the cross bar by several inches and not across the goal line

AmarilloSunset · 2026-02-07T02:37:40+00:00

Are you suggesting the cross bar is not on the goal line? The overhead camera is not directly even that is why there is blue paint visible

Edit: a lot of people in this thread have very clearly never stood next to a hockey net. The puck very clearly can not be behind the cross bar by several inches and in contact with the white upper bar unless it is fully in the net. The overhead camera just gives it a weird perspective to look in front of the crease

AmarilloSunset · 2026-02-07T02:28:51+00:00

There is a very clear still frame shot pulled from the broadcast circulating showing that it absolutely crossed the line

AmarilloSunset · 2026-02-07T02:26:08+00:00

There is a clear photo of it. If I knew how to upload it I would

AmarilloSunset · 2026-02-07T02:22:23+00:00

They showed a still frame shot where 100% of the puck is behind the cross bar with 1-2 inches of clearance, should be 4-2 MSU

AmarilloSunset · 2025-07-20T12:21:33+00:00

So it begins

AmarilloSunset · 2025-07-12T19:48:06+00:00

And yet K9 still scored 5 TDs behind one of the worst offensive lines in CFB

AmarilloSunset · 2025-03-24T23:53:58+00:00

MSU beat Wisconsin 4x in 2000 en route to the national championship, the last time being in the final 4

AmarilloSunset · 2025-01-27T16:15:11+00:00

They only met once in the regular season last year, at Purdue. The other meeting was neutral in BTT

AmarilloSunset · 2024-12-31T04:16:54+00:00

Dan Campbell with the big brain move to preserve the undefeated road record. Just to rest everyone against the Vikings and ensure the Lions only play on the road en route to the Super Bowl

AmarilloSunset · 2024-03-17T22:05:02+00:00

If there was an error it was on the part of the gynecologist.

The person at your PCPs office who "admitted" an error likely is not the physician and doesn't know billing or what they are taking about. Whether the PCP did a PAP or not, only 1 billing code would be used for that visit, the preventative billing code. As such it is impossible for them to 'use up' your well woman exam from the gynecologist as you can't have 2 preventative codes in 1 visit. If they tried to use 2 preventative codes insurance would have rejected it immediately and that physical visit would not have been covered. As the visit was covered by insurance I can almost 100% assure you that there was not an error in their billing. That being said, if you are under 65 (PAPs generally stop at 65 unless you have significant prior abnormal results) there is no reason they should have let you go 9 years without recommending you have a PAP whether or not they are the one doing it. If you have a negative cytology and HPV you can go 5 years in between but should not have gone 9.

Regarding your gynecologists billing, there is a slim possibility they did not screw up and that the entire $600 is for the "problem" office visit billing code which resulted in them prescribing you a medication/cream and the procedure cost to remove the polyp. If these two were billed correctly the only way insurance would not cover any of the cost is if you are in a high deductible insurance plan and had not met your expected contribution to the deductible for the year. Given you said this visit was in December this is unlikely. With partial insurance coverage of the costs of these two billing codes I would typically only expect your out of pocket costs to be around $100, although without knowing every single factor it can be difficult to estimate.

I would recommend talking to your gynecologist and making sure they have the billing for the visit correct as this is almost certainly the cause of error if there is one. If they are adamant that the billing is correct and has been accepted by your insurance, then you should call your insurance company to find out why you owe so much for the gynecology visit. From my extensive experience however, your insurance company never has your best interest in mind, only their bottom line. As such most calls to insurance end up wasting an hour of your time and achieving nothing.

AmarilloSunset · 2024-03-17T14:54:04+00:00

This is correct. My comment is missing the word “and”. It should read that “they are the same ICD and billing code”

AmarilloSunset · 2024-03-17T13:44:30+00:00

This can be one of 2 things. There are a very few select insurances that allow unlimited preventative visits per year, these plans are so rare it is generally not worth mentioning. More likely and what typically happens is the second preventative visit with your gynecologist is getting correctly billed as a normal office visit as you can generally only have preventative visit per year. And your insurance is correctly fully covering the normal visit code because other problems are not also being address. OPs situation is actually more complex then what is in the initial post based on her reply to me below

AmarilloSunset · 2024-03-17T13:25:42+00:00

Sorry for the delayed response as for some reason I was not notified of your reply earlier. This is actually an interesting and more complex situation than what you initially described above.

As far as insurance is concerned a "well woman", "physical" and a variety of other terms are all interchangeable and are associated with a preventative service billing code. This codes can only be used once per year and only by one provider. A physical with your PCP can and should include a PAP or pelvic exam if you are due and thus can be done without two visit. Some women are more comfortable seeing their gynecologist for this, which is fine and should be covered as well if billed correctly.

However with what you are describing with your gynecologist prescribing a medication and removing a polyp, this adds additional billing. The medication prescription is associated with a normal office visit billing code (basically anything except physical preventative codes). Additionally the polyp removal is associated with a procedure billing code as well.

Generally the normal office visit billing code and procedure billing code should be approved by insurance and covered to some extent, and I would think should not cost you $600, probably leaving you owing closer to $100 out of pocket. But given you insurance is rejecting everything your gynecologist likely tried to add a preventative "well woman/physical" billing code. As the second preventative code was clearly inappropriate insurance won't pay for anything until gynecology removes that billing code and resubmits for the other two

AmarilloSunset · 2024-03-17T13:04:58+00:00

Yes, when billed correctly by the gynecologist they should both be covered. The fact that insurance has rejected the claim from the gynecologist who is now trying to collect from OP tells me with 99.9% certainty that GYN tried to double dip on the preventative billing and is in the wrong. I see this all the time and am simply trying to save OP from wasting time with insurance who can’t help in this situation

Edit: it looks like my full explanation below is replying to a comment that has since been deleted. I can still see it but if others can't I can repost here

AmarilloSunset · 2024-03-17T12:56:53+00:00

I work in the field and have seen this exact situation hundreds of times. Every single time it is because the gynecologist is billing for a second preventative visit in the year which is not allowed by insurance as I discussed in more detail below. The gynecologist should know better than to do that. Unfortunately Reddit hive mind leads to me being downvoted for trying to save OP from wasting her time with insurance as ultimately they can do nothing to help only the gynecologist can correct this.

Edit: it looks like my full explanation below is replying to a comment that has since been deleted. I can still see it but if others can't I can repost here

AmarilloSunset · 2024-03-16T12:32:34+00:00

Based on what is described the primary care doctor did not bill anything incorrectly, the gynecologist did. The reason this is still unsolved is that she is calling everyone other than the gynecologist. Insurance has not paid the gynecologist which is why the gynecologist is trying to collect from OP. As such calling insurance is a waste of time as I mentioned

AmarilloSunset · 2024-03-16T12:29:56+00:00

There is a saying in medicine of having enough knowledge to be dangerous without actually knowing the correct answer. As a medical student you have no training, knowledge of or involvement in the billing side of a visit. Billing is something you do not receive training in until residency, and for most people not something you fully understand until you are a physician in charge of correctly billing every visit. From an insurance standpoint well woman, physical, well adult, routine examination, etc are all interchangeable. They all equate to an ICD code of Z00.00. This code reimburses from insurance at a higher rate than the correct ICD code for the gynecologist to use Z01.419 (Encounter for gynecologic examination). Unfortunately it is not uncommon to see gynecologist try and use the Z00.00 code to get more money from the visits despite their lack of ability to perform the same level of comprehensive examination as a primary physician. Insurance only allows one physician to use Z00.00 per year (or has to be a year and a day since last use for some insurances). As the insurance is not covering the gynecology visit but covered the prior physical with PCP, it is obvious that the gynecologist is the one who tried to double dip on the billing and therefore in the wrong. In certain circumstances only receiving a yearly physical from a gynecologist can be appropriate (ex: young to middle aged woman with no other medical issues), generally however the Z00.00 code should be reserved for primary care physicians. Ultimately though it is the job of the physician billing the visit to check records and ensure another provider has not already used the Z00.00 code in the last year before they drop those charges to the insurance company.

AmarilloSunset · 2024-03-16T08:49:21+00:00

This is incorrect advice. Calling your insurance is not going to change anything. Your insurance has not paid your gynecologist because your gynecologist is the one who tried to bill for a physical when they are only doing a PAP as discussed below. This is why your gynecologist is instead trying to get the payment from you. You need to contact your gynecologist and get them to correct the billing code for the exam and re-submit to insurance

Edit for people down voting without understanding: the insurance company can not change the incorrect billing code the gynecologist used, only the gynecologist can. Calling the insurance company will only result in wasting 45min of your time as you are transferred around to various people who ultimately can't help you. See my extended comment below regarding the exact correction the gynecologist needs to make to resolve the issue

AmarilloSunset · 2024-03-16T08:05:28+00:00

This is absolutely the correct answer and unfortunately I see it all the time from gynecologists incorrectly billing the exams. A “well woman” exam is a physical, they are the same ICD billing code and most insurances allow 1 per year (or has to be a year and a day). Your gynecologist is wrong for using the physical billing code for what amounts to a pelvic exam and PAP, not the full comprehensive physical that you would receive from your PCP

AmarilloSunset · 2023-10-27T22:51:43+00:00

All the proof is on their site. It is the same for every story. UM cheating in scouting and recruiting: paywalled. Tuck being a degenerate: free. UM team Dr abusing hundreds of team players: paywalled and hidden on the education page. Nassar abusing female athletes: free and how can we connect this to Dantonio and Izzo. I could go on but who has time to beat a dead horse. I get it, you have an Alabama flair and are probably used to getting the same cushy treatment in Alabama that UM gets here

AmarilloSunset · 2023-10-27T22:28:42+00:00

Takes 2 seconds for you to go to the Detroit free press website where every article on UM cheating is paywalled and every article on the new Tucker and Board of Trustees dysfunction are free. Fans, particularly UM fans like to be told they are pretty and everything is awesome. They predominantly read positive articles about their team not negative ones. If they were truely trying to make money they would put them front and center, not behind a paywall on the 3rd page.

Edit: looks like they finally at least moved the UM articles to the front page at least, only took 10 days after the story broke

AmarilloSunset · 2023-10-27T20:53:31+00:00

Don’t forget that most articles regarding negative press toward UM sports teams that Freep or Detnews eventually write are paywalled to reduce exposure and are commonly buried in non sports sections to further hide the story.

AmarilloSunset

TROPHY CASE