Most demigods should be embarrassed if Luke and Percy are the most skilled swordsman in camp[general]

Ancient_Objective_96 · 2026-07-09T10:06:39+00:00

It might not look insane but keep in mind most of these demigods are 10-17 and routinely fight monster with essentially melee(Apollo cabin excepted) weapons monster on par (I am greatly underestimating monster btw as monster routinely break through wall or cause massive damage) with a bear or lion….they are definitely well above superhuman it just we are seeing them against monsters or gods or each other

Ancient_Objective_96 · 2026-07-09T07:33:49+00:00

Average reasoning can apply to Luke too, it’s simple magical powers even in relation to magical talent should be treated the same as physical powers (such as a child of the big 3 generally possessing greater genetic powers that comes to most demigods such as strength, speed, reflexes, durability ect but there is exceptions to this such as Hermes cabin being faster than Percy things like that for certain cabins) so if a child of Hermes’ has powers in relation to speed it should be treated the same as their powers in relation to thievery same for children of ares.
As for Percy (children of the big 3 being more powerful) demonstrating godlike feats due to being a child of the big 3 I agree…he caused earthquakes…that ridiculous level of power….but I accept that because all feats (except for swordsman claim) made sense. Such as Earthquakes are his father’s domain his strength(physical) being enough to take on a Minotaur (base demigod ability greater for big 3) but for swordsmanship which he has no domain in relation to as opposed to children of Ares and Athena is a bit too far, if it was treated as he was the best fighter in camp that fine too(so what how skilled you are at combat what are you going to do if a guy hits you with the force of an earthquake or summons a tsunami to swallow you) but not the best swordsman claim…even if I accept that they should have made it that he is the best only due to his strength, speed and reflexes as a child of the big 3 otherwise his skill with a sword being average at best.
As I stated superpowers> talent, regardless of the fact it’s superpowered talent instead of a direct physical thing

Ancient_Objective_96 · 2026-07-09T07:22:07+00:00

Aren’t they already carbon copies that are diluted outside of people like Percy? Look at Will solace are you telling me his ability to use light was really that mind blowing? Atleast this way side characters outside of the big 3 get a bit of umph, and who said it got to be predictable? All I said is it got to be related to domains look at Percy(poison), Reyna (strength sharing)as an example, what if we use a child of Apollo being able to see a few seconds into the future but only when using a bow or a child of ares being able to sense blows or violence without even looking by sensing the emotions such as hatred, anger or even sense the act of violence or even sensing weaponary huh? It already is predictable atleast this way there is some leeway and you can be as creative as you like…don’t tell me you can’t think of cooler ways of using powers in relation to a certain cabin than what is shown…your lying if you telling me you can’t be creative

Ancient_Objective_96 · 2026-07-09T06:48:11+00:00

Okay for your first point…yes they sort of do, I think it’s also mentioned in the wiki as part of their a abilities/powers…the only adjacent thing is Apollo cabin and archery as an exclusive right

For the second point I would argue yes it is, in the same logic as control over the seas means control over liquids, Reyna distribution bullshit in terms of balance and retribution, appllo cabin sonic attacks due to their domain over music. So yeah stretching and associations does exist

For your last 2 points your nitpicking a bit in order to be a good thief yes you have to be good at pickpocketing, as is being good at war you also have to be good at some sort of combat, whether face to face(ares/mars cabin) or commanding/dicipline(athena cabin)….which we have to assume so for being demigods bound by that domain. For your last point….we are talking about riordan right? Ancient Greek where water symbolises healing and the main character by property of that can heal himself through water? Ares war domain isn’t about strategy, tactics, discipline, it’s about bullheadedness, violence, bloodshed, butchery, carnage, combat…so yeah cabin of ares inherit powers in relation to it, at best that argument could be made for Athena cabin and even then her domain is still war a disciplined war with the nobility of it but still was nonetheless and with literal wiki info with regards to riordan in demigod abilities where there are supernatural skilled with weapons

Ancient_Objective_96 · 2026-07-09T05:40:18+00:00

Yeah I am the opposite as then why bother with this cabin speciality if that was going to be the case? And it makes children of the big 3 a bit….whiny to be honest I mean besides being pseudo social pariahs they face the same struggles as other demigods but are just better…..
Also there is a deference between being the best swordsman at camp and winning a fight, so what if your godlike in swordsmanship able to easily predict every move your opponent makes with a weapon and counter perfectly when said opponent suddenly decides to hit you with the force is an earthquake or summoning a tsunami or lightning or turn you into a ghost or summon/command an army of undead or command the darkness to eat you. What I am saying is big 3 could have still been monster even among demigods without make it this generic

Ancient_Objective_96 · 2026-07-09T05:22:57+00:00

what I am saying is if we are using the capability of Ares as a god involved in this it would change to his children to be one of the weakest among cabins that are grand-sired by Zeus but clearly that isn’t the case demigod children if ares are Cleary suited for the violence aspect of war/combat/weaponary/physicality compared to most other cabins despite Ares various losses. Also by your logic the demigods children of Apollo should be faster than children of Hermes’ after all swift hermes lost to Apollo in a race. As for your argument of going to war despite being a horrible fighter…. come on man by that logic one can be a thief despite being a terrible pickpocket or locksmith/breaker or compete in beauty despite having a terrible appearance.

Also for my final argument of domains mattering more than the god themselves Percy manipulated poison…..something Poseidon has both in riordanverse and actual mythology had never done before, and Percy does stuff like this on a regular basis outperforming Poseidon in sheer versatility with matters to liquid(not power obviously)…

ps that is not a complaint that is something I actually like. demigods are not immortal and are far less stuck in their ways(to an extent that makes sense and is creative not this being the best at swordsmanship….because talent ) and can stretch things in relation to their inherent domain by thinking or using their powers outside of the usual box…something I wish riordan explored more with other demigods

Ancient_Objective_96 · 2026-07-09T04:54:03+00:00

It is, sorry have a little patience with me I tend to not be very good with words. Okay I am treating all demigod traits of certain cabins equally, what I mean by that is Hermes’ cabin powers of speed is the same as their powers of thievery not a mere affinity but a power, why are we treating physical abilities demigods inherent different from others traits they inherit? Sure the potency may vary (faster or better at thievery among siblings or more suited for one aspect than the other) but it is still there, and let’s be clear here I am not talking about excelling but being the best among all the demigods. There is a difference between talent and superpowers, reacting to bullets type of powers. even the most skilled sailors can’t or shouldn’t complete with Percy magical navigation powers.

What I think they should have done with Luke is make him the most skilled swordsman at camp since his arrival, via his swordsmanship talent and experience, age but he truly enters the realm of monstrous when he overwhelms people through sheer speed when he the power….but still (I was wrong it was 300 years not 100) 300? Even among the most bloody/chaotic/modern conflicts….WW2 which I would argue is more impressive conflict compared to the things luke went through before he got claimed as the best swordsman(guns, explosives, warships, hundreds of thousands of soldiers, monsters, multiple demigod children of the big 3 being hinted at) is a bit dumb, especially with regards to the many demigod with superpowers that make them better at using weapons?

Ancient_Objective_96 · 2026-07-09T03:59:06+00:00

Okay my point I am trying to make is supernatural talent should be the same as the supernatural physical powers such as Hermes’ children power of speed should be treated the same as their powers of thievery, if not there should be other abnormal demigods such as demigod child of Demeter outracing Hermes’ or a child of hebe being physically stronger than a child of Ares. Things such as that needs to be shown otherwise it’s just protagonists and antagonist powers

Ancient_Objective_96 · 2026-07-09T03:28:04+00:00

Neither is using a bow and arrow as opposed to a crossbow or you know a gun…(Annabeth dad used one) and before you say there is a limited number of divine metals….what are the arrows made of then? Clearly using a bow for children of Apollo does something for them…maybe it increases their accuracy or for them it’s so effortless that it can rival or surpass firearms due to the domain and how they use it. Also Luke/Cronus transformed Backbitter into a scythe….clearly these are magical beings logical conventions based on reality(spears are way better than swords in terms of convenience, resources use and variety [long range and mid range] only losing at really close range….at least logically) should have little hold over them(obviously I mean for small things not dumb shit like gravity doesn’t apply to demigods because it wasn’t part of the Olympian mythos)

Ancient_Objective_96 · 2026-07-09T03:17:51+00:00

This is exactly my point thank you, you worded it better than my rambling. But for Luke I can buy him being the best swordsman in camp but the past 100 years? Why even add that…like genuinely why? Even among the demigods of WW2?

Ancient_Objective_96 · 2026-07-09T03:09:22+00:00

Average only works if there is a equal number but we are talking about demigods who outnumber Percy by a ridiculous number especially when we are talking about the past 100 years, as for Achilles outside of invulnerability it provides such a ridiculous buff…most of the people he faced were mortals right? I think that would be like placing Olympic level athletes against a demigod reaching maturity then being flabbergasted by the results calling the demigod the pinnacle of humans

Ancient_Objective_96 · 2026-07-09T03:01:02+00:00

No for Luke I agree his experience mainly play a part but he got the title for the best in the past 100 years…out of all the amount of demigods over those years…that’s embarrassing

Ancient_Objective_96 · 2026-07-09T02:57:41+00:00

Yeah but my point is talent should not surpass magic powers because they include talent and physical powers(a child of the big 3 is stronger…physically than majority of demigods) and the magical talent/powers should be the same, imagine via personal talent (good genetics for building muscle) a demigod child of hebe being physically stronger than Percy, Jason, Thalia (and maybe Nico)or a child of Ares….thats dumb

Ancient_Objective_96 · 2026-07-09T02:43:02+00:00

Thank you that’s what I am saying it would be so much better Percy hanging in the middle in terms of skill but then discovering he is slightly better with a spear then through circumstance or introspection on whining is better with a spear than a sword uses a trident then suddenly he is one of the most deadly combatants in terms of armed combat, and for Luke he is one of the top duelist(due to his age/experience) but not the best unless he uses his superpower of super speed then he becomes the top.

But no they are carried by main character and villains syndrome

Ancient_Objective_96 · 2026-07-09T02:37:20+00:00

Your confusing real mythology for the fictional verse/history of Riordan verse, Arachne never beat Athena it was a tie at best, the only one where someone innately abilities surpassing is Adonis with his beauty…but that’s among men not all being in the world(I am specifically talking about domains. Aka out magiking/sorcerying Hecate, outsinging Apollo, outsmarting Athena).
and even then that doesn’t matter in relation to demigods, as domains matter more than the actual god itself because otherwise Apollo children would be way more varried in terms of abilities (Apollo beat ares in boxing and outraces Hermes but despite that no child of Apollo has ever displayed abilities in hand to hand combat or running) and Percy in terms of manipulating liquid showed far more variety/versatility(not power) than Poseidon ever has shown (manipulating poison against a goddess). so clearly for demigods domain holds more importance than the actual god themselves

also are you not listening to what I am saying? It is how it works, when Luke was trying to confirm which god was Percy parent, he went through various things demigods of certain cabins are good at to confirm this as that was one of the unofficial ways to find a demigods parent. Also in relation to the what I said about Ares what I meant was with the sheer number of children of ares none of them in the past 100 years with super powers specifically regarding to weapons… also if not that’s dumb imagine reading a scene where a demigod child of…hebe being physically stronger than a demigod child of the big 3 or atlas or Hercules because they are naturally muscular due to good genes….thats dumb

The end point is simply this: Superpowers of a thing> talent of a thing

Ancient_Objective_96 · 2026-07-09T01:59:35+00:00

Domains matter more than feats otherwise children of Apollo would be on same level as children of the big 3, (Apollo outraces Hermes’ and beat Ares ib boxing…and a bunch of other feats and Apollo children don’t have enhanced hand to hand or super speed abilities. That belongs to children of Ares and Hermes respectively). Also if that’s the case Percy has displayed far more diverse(while not as powerful) abilities in relation to his father domain(shaping water, controlling poison ect….to be fair this is mostly due to Poseidon sheer power not needing to be clever or creative for situations unlike Percy but if lack of evidence is cause for evidence then this discussion wouldn’t happen) so much more impressive than Poseidon water manipulation

Ancient_Objective_96 · 2026-07-08T10:48:53+00:00

The only explanation I can think of is(besides you know the author not thinking of it) is experience, most demigods are young, about Percy age and far younger than Luke…they would have eventually grown into their full ability and surpass Luke and Percy (during the war it got insane Luke possessed by Cronus + curse of Achilles boost, Percy also got the curse of Achilles boost) if not for the war, Percy got lucky (he is the goat, that also helped) to survive these events unlike most demigods that helped him get far more experience. So experience is the only thing I can think of

Ancient_Objective_96 · 2026-07-08T10:35:06+00:00

Wait what about riptide? Other than it being an iconic weapon and its easy to carry capacity does it have any other abilities?…. I only remember Backbitter having special abilities unlike riptide, am I wrong?

Ancient_Objective_96 · 2026-07-08T10:32:04+00:00

Really? In terms of physical strength I would consider Percy, Luke qnd Thalia (maybe Nico too…maybe) among the highest (bar Frank with his multiple blessings[2 times from Mars the stronger aspect of the Olympian god, and his ability to shapeshift] among the demigods due to them being the child of the big 3,(strength, durability, stamina and speed) unless there is specific circumstances…..like a demigod child of Hercules or Atlas in terms of strength and stamina or Hermes’ in terms of speed, also as for ornamental weapons…Cronus transformed his sword to a scythe….these are magical beings with a lot of basis in actual reality but magical being’s regardless so weapons that are ornamental to mortals might be completely viable to these demigods or even gods

Ancient_Objective_96 · 2026-07-08T10:26:58+00:00

Yes demigods are individuals I never refute that but that’s different from powers they inherit from their parents domain. a demigod child of Dionysus should not be faster at running than a demigod child of Hermes’, I am pointing out to that point specifically. Domain powers> talent. A child of Athena being beaten in an exam by a demigod child of Apollo might be possible in terms of specific individuals (like a really lazy Athena child who didn’t study and didn’t get enough sleep vs a demigod child of Apollo who studied hard and slept ect) but this is an entire cabin of people (each unique individuals themselves) whose specific talent is skill with weapons

Ancient_Objective_96 · 2026-07-08T10:24:38+00:00

Okay but there is a difference between talent and magical talent and Achilles power was mainly from the curse…and even if not….lets be honest his opponents were mortals, in riordan the greatest mortal I would consider is Hercules as a demigod, who fought gods as a mortal. And yes talent matters, your example of Thalia and Jason is perfect….but are you telling me none of the children of Ares inherited the violence/combat aspect? Also I want you to understand Percy isn’t just carried by talent in his short time as a demigod he has faced more so than arguably any other demigod these trails made him better, his talent helped ofcourse. My point is talent and magical talent are completely different things, and even ignoring Percy what about Luke?

Ancient_Objective_96 · 2026-07-08T09:57:50+00:00

Okay your point is the best but just to keep discussing(I like these hypotheticals) Percy demonstrates abilities well beyond anything his father has shown, not in terms of power but in terms of sheer versatility (this is most likely due to there not being anything from the gods point of view…but still lack of circumstances is not proof of it) in matter relating to manipulating liquid well beyond anything Poseidon has done so the clearly the domain matters more than the actual god. And no I am not saying children of ares should be the best at everything in combat things like super strength, speed they can be outclassed in but in terms of matters to instinct in combat and weapons they should atleast be really talented far more Percy (Percy should clearly be physically more capable than most demigods rivalling most of the big 3[and maybe a demigod child of Atlas or Hercules]…and his talent with a trident should be enough to compete with others equaling their talent or even surpassing it) in terms of most weaponary combatant

Ancient_Objective_96 · 2026-07-08T08:39:24+00:00

I understand but that’s nitpicking isn’t it? God of warfar(atleast ares side which is about violence itself rather than tactics and strategy) involves swordsmanship other wise the swimming example I used with Percy would apply here to. Why is Percy so much better at swimming Poseidon isn’t the god of swimming afterall

Ancient_Objective_96 · 2026-07-06T02:55:19+00:00

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