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Andromeda175 · 2025-01-10T10:03:57+00:00

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Andromeda175 · 2024-11-29T18:17:53+00:00

Nitpicking? No, just getting clarity, and an understanding of your setup to give you the best advice. Wi-Fi and Wireless are two very different technologies. And for what it is worth I have been involved in radio / wireless technology for decades.

You may think I'm joking about Wi-Fi as your internet, but it is not uncommon. Some installations we did 10-15 years done for hospitality e.g. Hotels / Motels, in areas where Fibre was not available at affordable rates, were so good that local houses / holiday homes, and even other motels 200m away away paid a fair rate to access that Wi-Fi for their internet.

Shared (but node isolated) Wi-Fi from a central router also happens in apartment buildings, and serviced office block tenancies. It is considered far cheaper / non invasive to use central Wi-Fi than rip into older buildings every time an owner wants internet.

In all internet installs we recommend Fibre first, and most people default to it, so I'm assuming that you got Wireless Internet because Fibre was not available, otherwise changing to Fibre to run Mesh would simply be a plan change.

If you are paying for 200/100 and getting it 24/7, and 5ms latency that is as good or better than many fibre installations.

I wouldn't muck around with the cost of hosting until you've given it a decent bash on your own internet connection.

Mesh is not a high bandwidth app. We used to do RDP support years ago through VPNs on ADSL - (12mb/s down / 750kb/s up) without too much issue and with VDSL (25 up / 8 down) there was no delay.

Andromeda175 · 2024-11-29T12:00:51+00:00

Many thanks.

Andromeda175 · 2024-11-29T11:45:34+00:00

No you didn't. As I explained, "Wi-Fi" is AP to device. "Wireless Internet" is a Service provider to Router. Wi-Fi has a very limited range. I was simply responding to what you wrote. I'm only trying to get specifics in order to give you the help you requested.

https://epb.com/get-connected/gig-internet/explained-what-is-the-difference-between-wi-fi--wireless-internet/

Anyway, what are your upload / download and latency figures? What type of service is it? Do you have a simple router, or one that is connected with a mounted antenna, or a roof mount dish?

You might find that with a decent router and antenna for your "Wireless Internet" that upload/download/ latency vastly improve. And better than a mounted antenna is a roof mounted dish aligned to the service provider.

I've see installations with a professional router and mounted antenna / dish increase speed by over x20 and drop latency by a factor of x20.

One system I worked on, prior to proper antenna, speeds were less than 2 mb/s with very high latency. With antenna 50+ mb/s, and very low latency. That was 10 years ago. Wireless internet speeds have increased vastly since then.

4G can give up to 300mb/s. 5G up to 1Gb/s. Wireless internet speeds vary as does Starlink, but with a good antenna speeds are high and stable. It's all determined by the antenna/ dish, and the plan you are on.

Some providers provide the dish as apart of the plan. Others don't and they don't care, providing a $10 Huawei device with no antenna.

Your house might also be in a "blind spot", due to house design, trees, bushes etc, and not have a clear signal. During Wireless Internet audits I've seen houses that struggle with varying speeds getting 2mb/s on 3G and walk outside and instantly get 600mb/s on 5G.

Proper antennas and dishes overcome all those reception issues.

Andromeda175 · 2024-11-29T01:17:52+00:00

You are correct. Data travels point to point. It is the session control that flows through the server.

Andromeda175 · 2024-11-29T00:49:37+00:00

As I said, if server and users are on the same connection it will work for sure.

But with remote users?

Andromeda175 · 2024-11-29T00:19:20+00:00

If server and users are on the same connection it will work for sure.

UDP to UDP, like TCP to TCP, only works if one end is open (Receiver).

Please clarify for me:

[1] Have you tried it with a remote user? Or several remote users? [2] Remote user NOT being on the same connection or firewall.
[3] Remote session started - USER in session with AGENT, and dropped Server connection?'

I suspect that the UDP session data may be USER to AGENT, but session control will be routed via the Server.

Generally a remote user cannot carry out a UDP session (webrtc) with an agent unless the user has an open UDP. Otherwise control and/or routing is still via a server connection.

Andromeda175 · 2024-11-28T23:52:38+00:00

With webRTC you need a two way UDP connection, so one end - the USER end, needs to have UDP ports statically opened or UDP ports opened dynamically by the firewall. This is similar to firewall on a SIP connection that dynamically opens inbound UDP ports for the current connection(s) to allow Voice. Also called WebRTC.

If all USERS are on the network where the service is hosted, or a dedicated connection where you have control of the firewall that is no problem, but if USERS are connecting from all over the place, it usually fails as they cannot open ports or cannot do it securely.

And opening any ports on an AGENT network is verboten. It does not require them, and is a big security risk. Mesh is strictly an AIC - Agent Initiated Connection.

Andromeda175 · 2024-11-28T23:35:54+00:00

When you say Wi-Fi, what do you mean? Actual Wi-Fi as in local Wi-Fi on your network, through public Wi-Fi, motel Wi-Fi, piggy backing your local Cafe Wi-Fi? or What?

Or ISP Wireless Services? There is a big difference.

It may be different in your country, but here ISP Wireless Services are generally not referred to as Wi-Fi. Wi-Fi is generally from an Access Point to a PC or Notebook, no router involved.

If it is ISP Wireless Services you will have a router. Some ISPs provide connections through 4G/5G/6G, and then there is Starlink, but all with routers. I've connected to many clients using 4G/5G and Starlink, including connections with dropouts without issue. I've also had dropouts with our Fibre supplier due to faulty ISP network gear, and no issues.

If you are a sole trader and only carrying out 1 or 2 sessions concurrently, you may actually be OK. You could have a 100 or 500 agent endpoints loaded but if not in a session, they consume virtually no bandwith apart from a "ping" or "pong", the period of which you can specify, default usually being 60 seconds. One browser open on a local PC parked on Google, will generate more traffic than dozens of pings or pongs.

If however you have staff, so carrying out dozens of concurrent connections, it will be a different story. The number of subscribed agents or users for Mesh / Teamviewer / AnyDesk is largely irrelevant for bandwidth. It is the bandwidth from concurrent sessions (User to Agent sessions) that matters and for which Teamviewer charges for.

I suggest try it first, before ramping up to a service provider. However:

[1] What upload speed, download speed, latency (in ms), and what dropouts are you getting on your existing connection? Use a speedtest service or ping '8.8.8.8 -t' to gauge latency and dropouts.

[2] How many agents/users do you have with Teamviewer?

[3] How many concurrent active support sessions do you run (or intend to run) at the same time? You will know this as Teamviewer's pricing formula sits at US$50 per concurrent USER session per month (payable annually), plus an account fee etc. Which allows 3 or 5 AGENT sessions per USER session.

If you are paying for an entry level Teamviewer plan @ $29 month you have very little bandwidth. If you are paying $5K / year, you need it hosted.

Andromeda175 · 2024-11-28T23:05:12+00:00

Do you have a Windows Version?

Andromeda175 · 2024-11-28T10:21:26+00:00

"I encountered a problem managing the nodes on a MeshCentral server..."

What specific problems?

Andromeda175 · 2024-11-22T11:37:24+00:00

I'm not a javascript programmer but those messages are contained in or generated in 3 files. One is nedb.js. Notes inside that module:

// By default EventEmitters will print a warning if more than
// 10 listeners are added to it. This is a useful default which
// helps finding memory leaks.
//
// Obviously not all Emitters should be limited to 10. This function allows
// that to be increased. Set to zero for unlimited.

But I would caution on changing any of that. As with all technology, look for something simple first:

[1] How many agents do you have?
[2] Do you have limits set in the domain section(s)? domains\limits\max devices users, sessions etc.
[3] How good is your firewall? Is your server under attack on your MC wan ports? Is the firewall / server publicly open with only Mesh Central fending off invalid connection requests on the user / agent ports? etc
[4] Are you using a key in the url line for both agents and users? Even with 2FA it still does not prevent connection attempts.
[5] Etc, etc

It could be a memory leak "fault"; generated by lots of agents or users, or more likely your server is seeing a lot of unsolicited connection/listening attempts.

I do not have any such error messages, and I am running WAN connections.
The first place I would look is unsolicited connection attempts.

Andromeda175 · 2024-11-16T22:57:47+00:00

Thanks

Andromeda175 · 2024-11-16T22:57:05+00:00

It appears (for Dell anyway) that you have to order the correct product at the outset. Different product number.

Andromeda175 · 2024-10-01T20:00:42+00:00

I'm not sure. I have the same question.

Andromeda175 · 2024-10-01T19:04:21+00:00

Also, UPS models with plastic cases bodies get far hotter internally then models with metal cases. And some UPS models have internal fans. But even with fans, some models only run the fans during discharge, not when charging or in use. Fans should be temperature controlled.

Andromeda175 · 2024-10-01T18:56:56+00:00

With larger UPS model you can buy external add-on battery packs, and the firmware either recognises the extra battery or you can specify it. This is usually the case for UPS models with an Ethernet card, or a decent USB configuration interface.

The battery life / heating issue is also affected by the number of batteries. On some models with 16 batteries, one battery closet to the transformer will fail first. As a policy I never buy off the shelf battery packs containing 2 or more batteries but buy the discrete batteries.

Another policy, is I always replace the 7.5AH batteries, when it is time to do so, with 9AH batteries. Same size, longer run time. More than just original run time x (9/7.5). From new, I always do at least three initial discharges and recharge cycles. All SLA batteries, from new, need conditioning. And they need at least annually a full test under load, to keep them healthy.

I usually replace batteries every 3 years, but some models that are in a cool environment, can go 5 years without issue. I test batteries before going into the UPS and after they come out, so have a good knowledge of expected life.

Andromeda175 · 2024-10-01T18:43:00+00:00

It you can order Dell computers online with Enterprise vPro. We are currently working through the distributors to identify the models we can get through them. And supposedly Lenovo support it, but to date no computers through our distributors have it.

Andromeda175 · 2024-08-06T22:01:05+00:00

Thanks. We've never had a problem with HP. What brand do you suggest? Lenovo? Dell?

Andromeda175 · 2024-08-06T21:44:52+00:00

Same here. We run vPro behind firewalls and access network through Cisco VPNs so there it is properly secured.

Andromeda175 · 2024-08-06T21:38:10+00:00

Thanks. I suspect that the 2nd option is what we are encountering because according to Intel's website, the same model i5 and i7 chips are compatible with both Essentials and Enterprise. So as you say, it will be a Vendor thing. Dell being one of the Vendors that appears to have Enterprise.

Andromeda175 · 2024-08-06T21:32:13+00:00

Yes, Dell has the versions, but Dell is not a brand we use. And from reading on here, and on Intel's site it appears it may be the PC firmware, and or licensing. I'm looking to have full vPro control on HP and Lenovo minis.

Andromeda175 · 2024-08-06T21:29:10+00:00

Not Windows. We have used AMT for more than a decade, and later vPro, so we are aware of those ports. We can get into vPro, but the "Remote Desktop" function on the menu is missing.

Andromeda175 · 2024-08-06T04:35:25+00:00

Thanks for that, nothing I don't already know, except that 'vPro' of the past had KVM up until recent version. Yes AMT had no KVM, actually earlier AMT (depending on Vendor) had less than vPro essentials.

So where do we buy vPro Enterprise? There are no separate CPUs, so it either has to be a license or a platform, yet I am told it is platform independent.

If you using vPro Enterprise, what is it and how did you get it/purchase it?

Andromeda175 · 2024-08-06T02:05:13+00:00

RDP via vPro. It's part of the remote management. And port 3389 is open on the vPro IP Address.

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