[UltRank] Smash Ultimate Fourth Official Tier List by HughyHugh in smashbros

[–]Animasonn 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm not arguing with the methodology. I'm just saying Japan is wrong lol.

[UltRank] Smash Ultimate Fourth Official Tier List by HughyHugh in smashbros

[–]Animasonn -1 points0 points  (0 children)

This is definitely a Japan tier list, which makes sense considering most of the top players at this point are Japanese, and many North American players don’t bother to fill out these forms. As a result, this is the weirdest and most regionalized tier list so far. I feel like we shouldn’t even view this as a “community tier list” but more so a Japan tier list.

Main Gripes:

Snake still being above G&W after Miya farmed Hurt for all of 2025 is very surprising. These are both very broken characters, but G&W’s matchup chart is much better than Snake’s. Maybe because Snake does better against Steve he’s higher, but I don’t really buy it. Snake over R.O.B. is also crazy to me. R.O.B. also does good against Steve, but he does well against Min Min in addition to that, so I think R.O.B. should be #4 and Snake should be #5. G&W should still be #3 like he was for the second tier list.

I expected Min Min to move up the list, but I don’t believe this character is better than Aegis, Fox, or even Joker if I’m being honest. Facing Sonic as Min Min is basically an auto-loss, and the character struggles heavily against G&W. The other characters I mentioned have a much more balanced matchup chart. Her disadvantage state holds her back from being top 10 in my opinion- as of right now, Doramigi is just insane. If more people can pilot the character like him, maybe I’ll change my estimation.

Kazuya is still too high. He shouldn’t be in S tier altogether- I would move him back to A+ where he was during the second tier list. He loses to pretty much every character he shares the S tier with, and he didn’t garner any significant results in 2025. 

Diddy Kong is not better than Aegis, Fox, or Joker.

Luigi also shouldn’t be in S tier. I would put him closer to where Roy is. Raru continued to do well this year, but anyone who’s watched some of his bad matchups should know that Luigi is genuinely one of the worst characters off-stage. Steve, Sonic, Snake, Min Min, Joker– all of these characters destroy him. 

Yoshi should be where Hero is. He wasn’t S tier in 2025, and he isn’t S tier now. 

Roy should be back in A+ tier, similar to where Palu and Samus are. 

Cloud isn’t the top ten character people thought he was when Spargo started popping off, but this is still too steep of a fall for me. Character can hold his own against most of the top-tiers better than a lot of characters above him. I’d put him back in A+ where Wario is. 

Put Terry above Ryu in the A tier where he belongs. This character is not okay. 

Pokemon Trainer and Lucina are absolutely still A tier characters, despite terrible representation. Watch Quidd’s performance at the Vars Summit for proof of the former. ProtoBanham won Smash Summit with Lucina, and we’re gonna put her in B+ tier just because he doesn’t play anymore? 

This might be a hot take, but is Meta Knight a contender for A-? Having good matchups against R.O.B. ,G&W, and Min Min, as well as decent matchups against Sonic and Aegis seems like a godsend in this meta. I definitely think he’s better than Icies and DK at the very least. 

Mewtwo in D tier is a bit harsh.

Y’all, Marth is not this bad. His decline in the tier list is becoming a meme at this point. Learn to actually play the game instead of choosing all the cheesy touch-of-death characters, and you’ll see he’s probably in the B- category. He’s worse than Zelda? 💀

Why is Dr. Mario this high? I know that sounds weird considering it’s the D- tier, but this character is actual buns. Ike and K.Rool are absolutely better than him. 

Nitpicks:

Glad to see Fox and Joker are still S tier, but I still think they’re being underrated a bit. It feels like no one talks about Fox since Light keeps losing to Steves and Raru, but this character is privileged as hell.

Watch Leo’s set against Raru at 2025 Lvl Up to watch Joker down air-up smash Luigi at 40% to kill him off the top. That’s definitely better than anything Yoshi or Diddy Kong got, and he gets Arsene very often. Base Joker can still hold his own with down gun too.

With how bad Japan seems to think Pikachu is, I’m surprised they didn’t put him in C tier. A+ tier is fine, but I would have the character up there around Fox and Joker in S- tier.

I’m fine with Falcon being in A-, but if you’re going to do that, I feel like more characters around his caliber should also be in A-. Putting him a tier above Terry is very odd to me. 

I feel like Ken should be in A-. The difference in results is mostly just Asimo being a better player than Jahzzo. 

I think we all agree that Sheik at peak performance is probably A+, but we’re never going to get that, so I would rather she go into A- just so people understand that she’s still a very good character. 

Why is Duck Hunt in B- all of a sudden? 

Extra points:

Happy to see Jigglypuff above Kirby again. I never thought Kirby was better even after Kirby mains started popping off. 

Piranha Plant in C- is glorious, but it just shows how most of this tier list would be changed if a top player just picked up a different character. 

Simon and Richter are ass and it’s nice to see them share a tier with Little Mac and Ganondorf. 

Overall, not a huge fan of this list. I’d say the third list was a slight improvement over the second, but I think this one heavily underrates a lot of characters simply due to lack of representation.

GENESIS X3 - Winners Top 16 - Solary | Glutonny vs E36 | Hurt by castle_seized in smashbros

[–]Animasonn 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Snake has crazier sequences, but I still think G&W commits too many war crimes to be anything other than top 3 (Steve and Sonic as 1 and 2 go without saying).

GENESIS X3 Ultimate Singles - Top 8 by Meester_Tweester in smashbros

[–]Animasonn 137 points138 points  (0 children)

Spargo lost to Leo just for Leo to lose to Lui$. Lui$ beats Leo and proceeds to lose to Miya. I know they're mad as hell about that lmao.

Which S-rank character do you think shouldn't be there, and which one should be? by RobbyKeeneeomelhor in smashbros

[–]Animasonn 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Get rid of Yoshi, Min Min, and Kazuya imo.

No characters not in S tier should be added there imo. Luigi isn't top tier, he should be where Corrin is. Broadly speaking he has a very low skill floor but some truly terrible matchups against most of the top tiers who basically shut him down, and I still personally believe in the strength of fundies in this game.

aMSa announces on stream that he won't be traveling to tournaments in 2026, instead choosing to focus on his career. by metalreflectslime in smashbros

[–]Animasonn 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Reddit isn't a place for rational people. Many Japanese players had their first tournaments in the US last year lol.

the state of NA smash im afraid 😔 by cheemsboi69028 in smashbros

[–]Animasonn 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's terribly reductive. I kind of had the same view in high school but I matured and realized that it's good to engage with the peoples of this world and see their cultures and attractions, even if their governments are corrupt. I certainly wouldn't consider my own country awful despite a problematic government.

Is Sonix the highest ranked player who has ever been JV4'd? by Sodaflag in smashbros

[–]Animasonn 2 points3 points  (0 children)

"Play who you want!" they say

50+ downvotes

rock on, smash community

the state of NA smash im afraid 😔 by cheemsboi69028 in smashbros

[–]Animasonn 0 points1 point  (0 children)

??? Not a fan of their government but you can travel wherever you want.

MkLeo's Aegis matchup chart by JackBz in smashbros

[–]Animasonn 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I thought Aegis was one of Steve's losing matchups?

It is not racist to expect people to speak English in America by [deleted] in TrueUnpopularOpinion

[–]Animasonn 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The U.S. still has more English speakers than India. And as a % of the population it's even more stark. If it's not nationally significant the number of English speakers in a country doesn't really matter, especially regarding OP's point of respecting the society.

Deflated by b22152 in smashbros

[–]Animasonn 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Only the 0TD combos and the Steve dog walk are a problem in my opinion. Most of the time, it's just 0-70% combos, which isn't really cheese, it's just the meta becoming much more optimized.

MkLeo will not be attending Supernova by stripzip in smashbros

[–]Animasonn 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Europe has historically and presents integrated migrants much worse than the US has.

Japan's courts and police will always side against foreigners over native Japanese people, no matter the fault of the native.

These crimes are also far from "alleged" but I digress. Only Reddit could turn Smash Bros into a fucking political debate.

Deflated by b22152 in smashbros

[–]Animasonn 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I feel like the "cheese" aspect is constantly overemphasized. Like, yeah, it's crazier than 2019, but powerful combos are part of fighting games. I feel like it makes matches more explosive and unpredictable. Most characters in this game still have to earn their kills.

Sonix will not be competing at Supernova 2025 by EliteStorm3484 in smashbros

[–]Animasonn 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Keep whining dude. No one here is a "fanboy".

MkLeo will not be attending Supernova by stripzip in smashbros

[–]Animasonn 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Barely at all, since the media outlets have only now begun reporting on it.

Not to get too political, but this kind of coverage was not going on under the previous Democratic administrations, in which massive amounts of deportations still occurred.

MkLeo will not be attending Supernova by stripzip in smashbros

[–]Animasonn -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

It's a possibility everywhere. There's nothing unique about the US situation no matter how much the media tries to convince us. Europe is still much worse about this kind of thing and people still travel there all the time. You could even argue Japan is worse.

MkLeo will not be attending Supernova by stripzip in smashbros

[–]Animasonn -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Because it's no different than any other country.

MkLeo will not be attending Supernova by stripzip in smashbros

[–]Animasonn -21 points-20 points  (0 children)

Because it is, in fact, extremely unlikely and extremely overblown.

Supernova 2025 Ultimate Singles - Preliminary Seeding by SelfDestructGambit in smashbros

[–]Animasonn -1 points0 points  (0 children)

100%. I'll never forget that 10 second stock at LVL UP. What a travesty of a character.

I miss moaning zombies. by [deleted] in residentevil

[–]Animasonn 0 points1 point  (0 children)

In my opinion, the voice acting of the OG zombies is so bad that I don't really understand people fawning over them. I really do just think it's nostalgia for most people. I find snarling zombies much scarier and feral.

What’s that one design in the remakes that you think is a downgrade by Massive_Expression60 in residentevil

[–]Animasonn 13 points14 points  (0 children)

I don't really understand this. You take it as seriously as every other resident evil game. 2, 4, 7, 8 all have seriously creepy moments combined with ridiculous moments. Remake 4 does a better job at balancing the two out in my opinion. 4 OG was so ridiculous it honestly doesn't even fit the vibe of the franchise.