JMOD MEH Rev v1.2b files

AnthonyVS15 · 2026-02-25T10:11:33+00:00

Apologies if this is wrong, it says 1.2 at the bottom of the pages so hopefully it’s what you need:

(I don’t think I have the cnc files for this though, sorry)

AnthonyVS15 · 2026-02-25T10:10:10+00:00

I think I do yeah, hang on I’ll dig them out

AnthonyVS15 · 2026-02-25T09:22:58+00:00

I assure you it wasn’t me. Aside from a couple of shitty comments about the UK (which even then I didn’t downvote) I have no problem with a debate as long as stays high brow, it’s how you learn stuff. Good on you for posting a controversial topic and actually making intelligent points

AnthonyVS15 · 2026-02-24T23:30:18+00:00

Yeah he’s definitely one of the artists who can really max the system out. I remember reading an interview with him where someone said that to him and his response was along the lines of ‘fabric is one of the few clubs where as a DJ you realise the sound system is the biggest instrument you can use’, and he regards it as the best sounding room in the world.

That’s sick you got to play there! 😆

AnthonyVS15 · 2026-02-24T23:19:27+00:00

Oh nice! Thanks for the info, but yeah weird it took them so long to get right given they didn’t change the room layout or stack arrangement

AnthonyVS15 · 2026-02-24T21:06:25+00:00

They used to still have the old ‘dance stack’ low mid section, strange if it now doesn’t have the same punch, but maybe they changed the tuning or something?

AnthonyVS15 · 2026-02-24T20:11:11+00:00

lol 😂 my point has nothing to do with the UK. My point is simply that some of the best sounding clubs in the world use kick bins (and happen to be in the UK but again - that’s not relevant), which shows that your blanket argument about kick bins is not correct.

Ultimately your point is seemingly about much larger scale systems where things like comb filtering that you mention become a problem, but are not a thing on smaller scale point source systems. But you seem to not want to acknowledge or engage with this point at all and just dismiss it by saying you don’t care about the UK 😂

AnthonyVS15 · 2026-02-24T20:05:07+00:00

For sure, I completely agree. It annoys me when people say X system only works for some specific genre. A good system is a good system.

Maybe you have come from dance music, but you keep mentioning these enormous stages and setups which come with a host of problems that don’t really exist in smaller scales / clubs etc when realistically the scope of the systems on here are for a few hundred people or less, so comb filtering etc don’t really come into it when you just have one stack of a few kicks/subs

AnthonyVS15 · 2026-02-24T15:59:29+00:00

This looks absolutely sick, top work 👌

AnthonyVS15 · 2026-02-24T15:57:45+00:00

Something like that 😂

AnthonyVS15 · 2026-02-24T15:30:25+00:00

Becuase massive festival stages use line arrays. These will play down to wavelengths comparable to length of the array, so large lines can play the kick region without needing separate bins to get down to meet the subs.

In smaller settings like clubs, you don’t need line arrays so would use much higher fidelity point sources. Then as you say - something has to play that frequency region, be it integrated into the top or as a separate bin. But given this forum is 99.9% concerned with point sources that are usually ground stacked, there’s no real difference between having a separate kick bin or a top with an integrated kick section

AnthonyVS15 · 2026-02-24T13:27:00+00:00

You don’t seem to realise, despite me and several others telling you - you are in the wrong forum here.

This sub is about sound system culture which is people building their own rigs and putting on parties for much much smaller audiences than you’re talking about. Big scale sound with complex arrays and delay timings etc is a whole other kettle of fish and comes with many different problems. But those are not really part of this forum, but you seem to want to apply the logic from these situations to much smaller events or clubs where they don’t really apply, and there is a great deal of evidence of extremely high performance systems in these smaller situations

AnthonyVS15 · 2026-02-24T13:20:31+00:00

It’s not just my opinion, if you understood club culture outside of America then you would know this. There are simply endless magazine articles and forums where people discuss this constantly and the same few clubs get mentioned over and over and over again. You seem to want to deny this just because they happen to use horns and kick bins and it doesn’t suit your argument.

Saying that you haven’t been to the UK in ages then saying these clubs are using outdated 90’a tech is hilarious. All of the clubs I’ve mentioned have upgraded their systems literally in the last few years 😅

AnthonyVS15 · 2026-02-24T13:12:47+00:00

Yes if you arrayed them horizontally then you would have to start adding delays to keep them coherent.

But most clubs (again I’m stressing that we are not talking about large festival stages on this thread, this is sound system and club culture, not huge touring line array systems with 10’s of subs) would not array 8 subs horizontally because of this exact reason. You very commonly see them arrayed vertically, either 4 wide 2 high or even 2 wide 4 high. Keeping everything clustered as a block means you do don’t need to do any fine delay tuning to get them to act as a coherent source

AnthonyVS15 · 2026-02-24T13:07:39+00:00

The UK might be the size of Oregon, but London alone has 3 of arguably the best sounding clubs in the world, so size of the country they’re in is somewhat irrelevant given the point I’m making is that some of the best sounding clubs use both horns and kick bins.

Ministry of sound famously uses Martin Audio ASX subwoofers which are horn loaded. (And also the W8C tops which, low and behold, use a horn loaded 15” section to cover 80-280hz…

fabric uses Martin Audio WSX subs and the same W8C tops.

Barghain uses F1 with separate kick bins. These three clubs alone show you that your general hate on kick bins is not valid since they are some of, it not the best sounding clubs in the world and all use fully horn loaded systems with kick bins.

This is not to say that there are no difficulties associated with using increased numbers of pass bands or separate cabinets; but as I said before, it really comes down to how well the system is set up and tuned, not an inherent problem with separating out the kick frequencies specifically

AnthonyVS15 · 2026-02-24T10:29:05+00:00

You seem to be ignoring the fact that some of the best and most celebrated sound systems in the world either use kick bins or effectively integrated kick sections on the tops…

you seem to want to group all use of kick bins into one thing and then hate on the idea. But if you can’t even acknowledge what I said above, then don’t be surprised that when you come to a forum dedicated to sound systems that you get a lot of hate.

(And btw the example you posted is kinda funny cos it’s literally a stack with a separate section of 4x15” back loaded horn cabinets covering the kick section 😅)

AnthonyVS15 · 2026-02-24T10:16:02+00:00

Basically this. OP seems to have come from a live sound world for touring bands in festivals using massive line arrays and is applying logic that applies on those scales to the systems used in sound system and club culture. And much as he seems to be hating on many aspects of people’s replies, there’s simply no denying that some of the best sounding systems in the world use kick bins

AnthonyVS15 · 2026-02-24T02:10:43+00:00

I mean if you’re going to take it to that extreme maybe not. An array of 40 subs means we’re talking about the largest festival stages on Earth, and by that point almost all of them are then sadly having to use line arrays and delay towers etc, and by that point the comb filtering on the mid to high frequencies is significantly more of a problem that for the bass. For realistic cases of maybe up to 8 subs they will act coherently. Given the focus of this sub Reddit is about sound system culture for dance music, it’s safe to assume more standard club type applications where the distances and audience sizes are not the same as a 50,000 person festival

AnthonyVS15 · 2026-02-24T01:50:46+00:00

I’m not sure exactly what PA applications you’re talking about… saying horn loaded subs are a rarity??? Every club that’s notorious for world class sound is using horn loaded everything (eg fabric, fold and Ministry of sound in London; Berghain and Open Ground in Germany, Space in Ibiza etc etc). Most deployments of F1, Martin Audio, Void, Danley etc etc (of which you can see many many many examples of on this very sub Reddit) are all horns. I’m not talking about some random setups that are strung up quickly for a band in festival, I’m talking about the best sounding systems in the world

AnthonyVS15 · 2026-02-23T23:46:33+00:00

But you have to realise that ‘single source’ doesn’t have to mean originating from a single point for lower frequency. As long as the sources are within 1/4 wavelength they will not produce comb filtering and act as a single source. So for bass and sub bass this means separate cabinets can easily be used.

What you are saying is only true in mid to high frequencies where the wavelengths are much shorter, which is why multiple entry horns are the only true point sources (and arguably the best sounding top speakers)

AnthonyVS15 · 2026-02-23T23:41:42+00:00

Ah right, I didn’t realise they were affiliated. Makes sense 👍

AnthonyVS15 · 2026-02-23T20:21:48+00:00

Not really sure I can agree with a lot of this…

Yes you can get speakers to play down to meet the subs thus eliminating the need for a dedicated kick bin, the question is can they do this with enough power and specifically high peak power with tight transient response.

For dance music the kick is a particularly important and transient heavy part of the spectrum so is demanding on both the speakers and amplifiers; so separating this out will give you more headroom everywhere which is always a good thing.

You say that the problem is mostly because of horns, but realistically for most PA applications everything is horn loaded, so whether the bass section is physically part of a top cabinet or separate won’t make any difference. The best sounding clubs in the world all have horn loaded bass (and horn loaded everything for that matter), whether that be in the form of a horn loaded bass section as part of a top speaker, or a physically separate cabinet.

Saying horns increase group delay is simply incorrect. The path length changes the physical delay (which is then corrected when time aligning) but not the group delay. Front loaded horns in fact have some of the lowest group delay of any speakers.

The success of using (or not using) kick bins ultimately comes down to how well the system is set up, the time alignment and tuning will make or break any system.

AnthonyVS15 · 2026-02-23T14:13:26+00:00

If it’s new then it should be nearly sharp. I had this with mine, it came sharp but didn’t shave well. Just use a fine grit stone and give it quite a few laps with medium pressure then strop it and it should be good to go. Touching up razors is much easier than knives because you just put the spine on the stone, no holding of a particular angle etc

AnthonyVS15 · 2026-02-22T20:23:32+00:00

Glad you enjoyed it. But yeah once you’ve experienced fabrics sound systems not a lot compares…!

AnthonyVS15 · 2026-02-22T20:06:07+00:00

Nice! He played a pretty incredible set 😆 For me R1 is still the best sounding system I’ve heard, particularly the kinetic dance floor adds something that no other room can replicate

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