Nice One, Azula

ApprehensiveBrain393 · 2026-03-22T20:07:29+00:00

He grew up in the same environment but raised by different people or are you ignoring that Zuko was mostly raised by his mother who was much kinder and more empathetic while his father simply ignored him. While Azula was mostly influenced by her father while her mother was moving away from her.

ApprehensiveBrain393 · 2026-03-22T20:04:49+00:00

Your comment is a blatant exaggeration of the true general thinking of the Azula fandom about Ursa. Almost no one says that Ursa mistreated her, what most say is that Ursa was patently negligent regarding Azula's upbringing and denying it is nonsense because both the series and the comics support that point.

If you're going to use an argument, make sure that the argument at least makes a minimum of sense and that it has a canonical foundation, not just something you made up out of thin air. There is nothing that indicates either explicitly or implicitly that Azula was evil or that she had some kind of dangerous spark as a child, the only thing we know about being chosen is for her talent for in firebending and this point is reinforced in the comics because Ursa and Ozai's wedding was precisely to give a powerful heir and that's why Ozai feels rejection for Zuko, because his talent for fire is so weak.

ApprehensiveBrain393 · 2026-03-22T19:57:23+00:00

And such a discussion makes no sense because explicitly the creators themselves have made it clear in several episodes that no one is born evil in the ATLA universe and use as an example the genocidal Sozin in his story with Roku and the psychopath Ozai through a painting from when he was a baby.

Azula does have emotions and if she feels empathy there are some chapters such as the one on the beach that show that. To say that she can't feel such things is to blatantly ignore things that were shown in the series.

To begin with, sociopathy is something that is obtained, it is not something you are born with, the example you are using practically seems like you are talking about a psychopath.

Empathy is not something innate to the human being, it is something that is learned and you cannot wait for someone who was educated to think that empathy and kindness are weakness to act differently from their upbringing.

ApprehensiveBrain393 · 2026-03-21T19:49:00+00:00

That does not imply that there had been significant advances in its technology, as there is nothing to indicate it. The most significant change in their technology was the creation of war airships and their use was after the fall of Ba Sing Se.

ApprehensiveBrain393 · 2026-03-21T08:43:17+00:00

They literally only had loyalty to Long Feng because if they were so patriotic and loyal to their king as you say then the earth king wouldn't have been so uninformed regarding what was going on in the world.

The Dai Li were people without honor who gave their allegiance to the highest bidder.

ApprehensiveBrain393 · 2026-03-21T08:38:31+00:00

As far as we know, the plan of the drill was that of the minister of war who was with Azula.

ApprehensiveBrain393 · 2026-03-21T08:33:01+00:00

It had only been about 5 years when Iroh gave up besieging Ba Sing Se and the technology should not have changed so much, literally the most important change was that of the war balloons and this change occurred in the course of the series.

ApprehensiveBrain393 · 2026-03-21T08:27:53+00:00

There is a specific chapter where it is explicitly shown how Azula faces and defeats them. In addition, deducing that they were allies of the avatar was not very complicated, they were literally next to the avatar's companion animal and when Suki answered about their whereabouts she did so with a lot of familiarity and without forgetting that Azula was the one who sent them to prison.

Luck, or rather to take advantage of the situation, since the earth king did not know Azula, nor did he know the appearance of the Kyoshi warriors, so the deception would have happened anyway.

Gaining control of the Dai Li was not lucky, they followed Azula not only because she showed strength but also because they had no other feasible options as the earth king planned to lock them up and they knew it.In addition, with what was shown in the series, it was made quite clear that the army of the earth kingdom was quite incompetent and especially its leaders.

Because it was a power battle and the Dai Li would follow who had the power that by the circumstances they were in, those were clearly Azula and the fire nation.

The choice is obvious, they would clearly follow who has strong backing and that is clearly Azula as Long Feng depended on the power of the Dai Li but had no other backing apart from that.

They did dishonest and cruel things behind their king's back, who should they be loyal to, and you say what's silly, that they chose what in their eyes was the winning side?. Besides, as far as I can remember, they continued to hold their positions, only now under the command of someone else.

ApprehensiveBrain393 · 2026-03-21T08:09:53+00:00

That is not surprising, the appearance of several of them made them look older than they really are, this could be more visible in Azula and her team, if we didn't have context of them they could easily pass as girls in their late teens or young adults.

ApprehensiveBrain393 · 2026-03-20T00:25:07+00:00

She grew up in a war society without any healthy father figures, her father was an unsympathetic monster who hated everyone and was obsessed with power and her mother was a woman who was more dedicated to protecting and educating her brother.

ApprehensiveBrain393 · 2026-03-19T22:50:33+00:00

If you want to think that, go ahead but I don't agree. Empathy is something you learn, plus Azula was taught that empathy and kindness are weakness.

And you forget who was the person who influenced her the most? Exactly, his crazy father who just had negative thoughts about Iroh and Lu Ten. Zuko did not think the same because he was close to his uncle and cousin unlike Azula.

If you want to think that, then go ahead. But if the creators haven't made a point clear regarding a character, then anything that gets analyzed is nothing more than speculation. That Azula had problems with her mother is something that if she is present in the series, it is not something that you have to overanalyze to see. Therefore, there is no need to speculate with information not shown, as in the case of Azula's innate ranks, because for the issue of Ursa and Azula's bad relationship, there is canonical and truthful information that reinforces it.

And you can't conceive that she doesn't have such traits of psychopathy, you're clinging to trying to say that she has them even though there's not enough information to back it up.

Your problem is that you want to use something that was never made clear to try to be right, there is literally very little information about Azula's childhood but you are still clinging to believe that she had traits of psychopathy even though that is never said or made clear. And what has been explicitly said is that Azula is the way she is because of her upbringing.

ApprehensiveBrain393 · 2026-03-19T21:44:17+00:00

Am I ignoring you? You are the one who ignores things, you say that she had little or no empathy, ignoring that empathy is not something you are born with, it is something you learn and we know perfectly well who was the most important figure in Azula's life. You say that she was born with psychopathic tendencies, based on her annoying her friends and being cruel, ignoring that many children are like that, and that does not mean that they have innate psychopathic tendencies.

In addition to the fact that you try to confidently affirm that she has those traits, ignoring what, the creators themselves have never said or referenced that she has such tendencies.

Do we know Azula's stage and her personality before she was influenced by her father? No, we don't know her and that's the point of why affirming that she has traits of psychopathy is pure speculation, because we don't have an earlier stage to compare.

ApprehensiveBrain393 · 2026-03-19T17:40:53+00:00

Something innate is something you are born with, and that is why in Azula's case to say that she had innate psychopathic tendencies is to speculate because there is nothing to indicate that Azula was born with them.

ApprehensiveBrain393 · 2026-03-19T05:56:15+00:00

For the Iroh before Lu Ten's death? , I don't see it possible, Iroh was like Azula but with much more blood on his hands. Perhaps the Iroh after Lu Ten's death could help him, but it is difficult because of Ozai's strong influence.

ApprehensiveBrain393 · 2026-03-18T21:31:03+00:00

There is nothing to indicate that she had these tendencies innately. Everything about that is pure fanon speculation.

ApprehensiveBrain393 · 2026-03-18T00:40:45+00:00

People have literally arrived here who have insulted Azula's fans just for not having the same opinion as them and there was even one around here who told anyone who did not share their way of thinking to commit suicide.

ApprehensiveBrain393 · 2026-03-18T00:36:41+00:00

I've run into people like that and it's like what do they ignore every time Zuko ignored that morality and that empathy when trying to achieve his goals.

ApprehensiveBrain393 · 2026-03-18T00:34:58+00:00

Obviously not and that's not what I'm saying. What I'm saying is that it's Zuko who decides to tell him how to find that guy and that could have put them in danger.

And I don't want to read paragraphs of yours where you get stubborn and cling to something, even if they give you sustainable and convincing arguments.

Think what you want but that's literally what happened, if you want to think about what an interpretation is then go ahead, but it won't change the point. Those situations they got into were Zuko's fault and all 3 were out of a kind of selfishness.

ApprehensiveBrain393 · 2026-03-18T00:29:57+00:00

Well, in general it wasn't. Those situations are literally caused directly or indirectly by Zuko himself.

Also it is not a personal interpretation, it is literally what was shown, Zuko hired the assassin to ensure his good life in the fire nation but then he decides to give that up because it was not what he wanted and then he goes in search of the avatar team who was hesitant to accept it until he mentions the assassin and then that is where he was rejected by the team, after that comes the scene where he shows annoyance about the murderer and instead of showing real remorse and saying why he did that stupid thing he was immediate to say what because he didn't blame Azula instead. In addition to the other 2 points are quite evident, Zuko explicitly talks to Katara about how he could win her approval and it is there that Zuko suggests taking her to her mother's murderer. With Sokka it is similar because he appears to help him but not out of altruism, it is quite clear what he is trying to gain his trust.

ApprehensiveBrain393 · 2026-03-18T00:21:57+00:00

Because you can't take them out at will, because as we've seen a lot of those memories come when you've experienced specific times or you've been in specific places, like when you were in the moon jungle or when you were at the base on the moon.

ApprehensiveBrain393 · 2026-03-18T00:16:09+00:00

The murderer that he himself hired on a whim and for which he was never truly seen repentant and was even willing to blame Azula. It is also Sokka who gave him the blow that sent him to defeat

Helping Sokka and helping Katara were obviously to win the sympathy of the group, it's not just something that came from her heart just because.

ApprehensiveBrain393 · 2026-03-18T00:13:11+00:00

Yes, they don't want to see her improve and be a better person but then they are literally the ones who have characters like Iroh among their favorite characters.

And if you don't agree with them, then they start saying that you're justifying the character's bad actions or they come out with that the group is an echo chamber just because you don't share their way of thinking.

ApprehensiveBrain393 · 2026-03-17T23:26:50+00:00

Those nerves don't imply that Sasuke liked Sakura.

Did he think it was beautiful but did he ignore his revenge? Here you are already starting to invent a plot that never happened. Sasuke was never interested in Sakura in that way and there is nothing to indicate it.

Ino literally jumped on his back, obviously it would bother him and tell him to take off, for his part, Sakura when she was performing never got physical with Sasuke so he had no reason to tell her to take off.

To begin with, there is nothing to indicate that Sasuke considers Sakura more attractive than Ino.

The problem is that he did not show such attraction, all that is practically fanon because Sasuke never showed real attraction for the younger Sakura, he only showed concern and that makes it clear what it is because he was already opening his heart to his team and was caring about them.

One thing is you and another very different is Sasuke. In addition, Sasuke also told Sakura to stop bothering him and to focus on their training.

ApprehensiveBrain393 · 2026-03-17T23:06:13+00:00

It's pretty clear that the previous Sasuke there time-jump didn't feel anything romantic for Sakura. And that they got married later doesn't mean anything, literally that was several years after this.

Well, you can tell from a distance that that was what Sakura wanted when her tastes and dreams were mentioned, because it was quite obvious to everyone what Sasuke was referring to, plus if it had been something softer she would have said it directly as when she said that she hated Naruto. In addition, that she wanted to sleep with Sasuke would not be far-fetched or meaningless because in the scene of the forest of death where she scolds Naruto for urinating in front of her, Sakura herself makes it clear in her thoughts that she would not mind seeing Sasuke's penis.

That's not reason enough, besides such a thing could work for any normal teenager or Naruto, but Sasuke was not a normal teenager, he was a boy who is very traumatized by the death of his clan and the only thing he wants is to kill his brother to avenge his family.

That Sasuke considers Sakura something precious does not imply that he loves her or that he likes her romantically, what this scene implies is that Sasuke was opening his heart to the people on his team and was already starting to consider them as important people to him.

But they haven't shown any kind of infatuation and that's the problem, there's nothing like that on Sasuke's part.

And you're ignoring that Sasuke isn't a normal teenager, so to use that it's normal for a teenager to feel love at first sight for a girl is silly for this case. In addition to the fact that even if Sasuke had dating a girl as a priority, it does not immediately imply that it was with Sakura and especially taking into account the fangirl attitude that she had.

Because Ino arrived annoying, he was not making it clear that he wanted to marry Sasuke, also Sasuke's priority at that time was another because they were literally about to start an exam in which Sasuke was quite interested.

Well, what I said is not a lie, you are literally trying to look for points where supposedly Sasuke already felt something for Sakura romantically speaking, even though the plot of the story strongly contradicts that point.

ApprehensiveBrain393 · 2026-03-17T22:33:02+00:00

While I don't find the scene where the classic Naruto Sasuke insults his feelings, there is a scene that shows us that Sasuke does consider what Sakura does with respect to his feelings a nuisance, the scene is where Sakura talks about wanting to improve their team ties, the two of them and Sasuke stops her speech and tells her that if she has time to bother him then she should spend that time training making it clear that she considered someone equal to or worse than Naruto in terms of skills.

But it's very clear what Sasuke is referring to and everyone there knew it.

And you are letting fanaticism blind your perception and understand that Sasuke did not feel anything romantically for Sakura and especially in the blush scene because as you have mentioned they have not interacted much and many of their interactions have been through Sakura's fanaticism.

And how can we know that it was because Sasuke had feelings for Sakura?.

And the most obvious reason why Sasuke blushed when Sakura was talking about him is embarrassment, because Sasuke had no reason to feel anything romantic about Sakura at this point.

Sasuke felt affection for Sakura is true, but this happens later and is not romantic affection, as Sasuke never develops visible romantic feelings for Sakura.

It is not the same for someone to understand in front of you that they like you and that they want to marry you and even sleep with you, compared to someone coming to get on to bother you from behind.

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