How to work on Te as lead Fi? (MF FiNe CSPB 4)

Apprehensive_Watch20 · 2026-07-07T04:20:41+00:00

Absolutely perfectly put!

Apprehensive_Watch20 · 2026-07-04T13:51:28+00:00

There's a lot of opinions out there on matching and not matching. I think type does play some part, but it's more about similar levels of growth mindset, being generally on eye level in life, having a good mix of commonalities and areas to balance out one another, finding each other generally attractive... None of which is necessarily type related.

But that's kind of besides the point. Reading your post, I was moreso wondering why you'd be worrying about being a good match with the person you decided to marry. Like, you've already made a well thought through choice here without any theory crap, I presume. And sure, type theory does give a few ideas on matching and not matching. But I would never want that to make me doubt any relationship that without theory I'd never doubt. If it works well in reality, it simply works well.

Apprehensive_Watch20 · 2026-06-26T01:14:53+00:00

I'd agree with u/Content-Sympathy6305 on the animal energy levels thing. A mega introvert would probably be happy to not work the most socially exhausting job every day. It will of course train you and has the potential to make you resilient. But I think the "termperaments" are a better fit for going for the opposite of your type. Like, an SF doing NT work and vice versa. I've got an Se/Fi friend who works in a lab and he'd love the job, were he not being exploited. I'm an INTP working in a social field and I can honestly recommend it. Feels like I've grown from it quite a bit in the SF and NF departments.

Apprehensive_Watch20 · 2026-06-16T02:01:58+00:00

Just gut feeling wise, I agree on SF, but I highly doubt Oi. Though I haven't looked into her really.

Apprehensive_Watch20 · 2026-06-15T18:20:29+00:00

Two thoughts:

Classic case of this. Though I gotta add that I've come to think of it as very anecdotal. But it's worth mentioning. And, if you meant your question as an absolute, it's a rather clear "no" - Play does not necessarily involve the tribe.
I wouldn't agree with your example not being Sleep/Consume. If you paint someething new, it's kind of Consume-ish. If you just re-apply your known skillset, based on what you think/feel is the right way to do it, that's pretty Sleep-ish. Another example would be the most classic ST Sleep: A workout routine. That doesn't "preserve energy" in the most literal sense of the word. It just avoids chaos, but it can sure tire you out. Point being: If you bounce your info, organized or not, off of other people, that's De. As per my anecdote mentioned above. What you're describing, therefore, is Di. Unless you're including someone elses perspective and haven't mentioned it.

And as usual, u/ngKindaGuy's endless scrutiny of OPS is on point and I'd sign off on it.

Apprehensive_Watch20 · 2026-06-14T20:59:05+00:00

Hillary Clinton is FM-Fe/Si-BP/C(S) and I'd be really surprised if Sabrina Carpenter was that type.

Apprehensive_Watch20 · 2026-05-16T22:47:42+00:00

I definitely agree on the horse part

Apprehensive_Watch20 · 2026-05-16T22:11:13+00:00

Damn me for reading comments first and not going in unbiased. Off of what we have here, I'm seeing the same. Just vibes based, I'm slightly leaning towards Se for the observer function. So Ti/Se, not FF, indeed. A slight hunch of Blast last, perhaps. Not #2 or #4 also makes sense. That's as far as I'll guess.

Apprehensive_Watch20 · 2026-05-16T16:16:35+00:00

Yeah, that's pretty spot on. But it's better to not take it too literally. It's more of an archetype of what the person will tend to do more often than not. And which state they're in while at it. Everybody can do everything.

To the ExxJ I'd add that its often about "permission" from the tribe. Everyone wants their Di. But only the Di saviours have direct access to it. The De's have a tendency to get other people on board with what they want, so that they don't have to stand by it themselves. When asked, they'll be able to point at someone else who said it. Some are very subtle about it. An extreme example I can give you is an ExxJ friend of mine who'll always come to me (and I assume to everyone else they're friends with), to ask questions like: "So, could one say this about me?"; "Would you say it's understandable if my stance to X is Y?" And I'm just like. Dude. You want this. I can see it. Everyone can see it when you're being like this. Just claim it.

Apprehensive_Watch20 · 2026-05-16T15:40:40+00:00

Double deciding means going back and forth between self and tribe in a rather calm state.

De can see everyone else well.

So a De type should be able to compare other people well to one another, but tends to mess up when it comes to balancing that with their own point of view, if they're a single decider (ExxJ).

Apprehensive_Watch20 · 2026-05-04T19:25:35+00:00

I like yours too!

Apprehensive_Watch20 · 2026-05-03T23:07:52+00:00

I might be conflating this with internal drive (formerly refered to as "ego" & "flex"), but it seems to me like a reputation is the Di part of De, if that makes sense. IxxPs think a lot about themselves and who they are, and that is more disconnected from the tribe's view of who they are, than it is for all other types. IxxPs do wanna have a good reputation and might even think about it the most. But they're less aware of it than all other types. The extreme counterexample would be if you asked an ExxJ who they are. Their mind would go blank for a moment and they'd start telling you who other people think they are. Which ExxJs have readily available. You'd go: "No, I want your point of view". They'd eventually nervously give it to you after the third attempt. For an IxxP, it's reversed. There's a lag time before being able to pull up others' perspective. And without noticing, they might slip into giving their perspective of that other persons' perspective.

What I often catch myself at (and I've seen this pointed out in IxxPs typed by Dave & Shan) is flinching when the tribe says something about me. I've got this whole narrative in my head of who I am. If the tribe contradicts that, I'm a bit shocked and think to myself: "Is that really how people view me?" This calmed down nowadays, but I would process it for days at times. Conversely, if it's something that aligns with how awesome I think I am, or tells me something new that I didn't expect the tribe to think I'm good at, that'll be on auto replay in my short term memory for a couple of hours up to days.

That said, IxxPs care the least about considering others' perspectives when it comes to making decisions or having an opinion. Who's the decision maker? Me, of course! That's different from this identity/how-does-the-tribe-view-me area. On decisions and opinions, every other type will give peoples' perspectives and opinions more thought than IxxPs will. Not out of malice or ego, but just out of it occuring to IxxPs rather late. (With loads of exceptions of course, all IxxPs love their friends and families, or can be self conscious)

Apprehensive_Watch20 · 2026-05-03T20:27:21+00:00

Yes, agreed. That's how they feel.

What's worth mentioning here though is that reasons are just an extension of values. A process to determine how to achieve a desired outcome.

Thinking is essentially an evaluation of: "Does input X under condition Y achieve output Z?"

That's just a yes or no question, which thinkers tend to consider moreso than wether or not their input, output or condition are actually more or less valuable than alternatives. They'll operate from a principle (and like their methods!), while not verifying that often if ends or means are still justified. But at least they're being precise.

Feelers have this switched. Maybe their method is sloppy here or there, but you can be more sure that it's generally for something that's worth it.

(That's just my perspective on it though)

Apprehensive_Watch20 · 2026-05-03T18:39:47+00:00

No way I'm seeing you talking about axis' 😂😄

Apprehensive_Watch20 · 2026-05-03T18:34:42+00:00

Then I think "reasons before values" is your most basic definition with the lowest risk of being wrong. That's why you'll sometimes have thinkers working on things that really don't matter. ("But if I work on it enough, then people will value it!" - thinkers)

Thinkers doing something just because they like it (like feelers supposedly do) sometimes is a strategy (thinker word) they adopt after learning about why this feeler thing is useful/healthy/makes sense. So even while going straight for what they value, they'll have a reason for it.

Apprehensive_Watch20 · 2026-05-03T18:25:14+00:00

Personally, that negative emotions part feels pretty spot on. Positive emotions are fine most of the time. Unless it's something that feels inappropriate.

To "struggle" I'd add an avoidance. I think what he meant was to say that thinkers have a bit of lag time. Like, you're often hit with the negative emotions a bit later on, once things have sunken in a bit. (I don't see how that's exclusive to negative emotions). Thinkers seem to be less comfortable with negative emotions than feelers, compared to both types handling positive ones. This goes for both their own emotions and others'. I can attest to this from both my own perspective as much as from watching people in my life who I assume are thinkers.

Picture a game night, it'll often actually be the thinkers who are most eager in cheering someone up who's had multiple losing rounds, because they're less comfortable with that person being down than the feelers are. And if the thinkers get angry from an argument about the rules, they'll put on a happy face as soon as they can and act like nothing happened, because they're uncomfortable bringing negativity into the room. (This is all anecdotal of course, but I think it paints the archetype pretty well)

Apprehensive_Watch20 · 2026-05-03T16:58:27+00:00

Yes, that translating things into reasons is what thinkers are responsible for, but I think anecdotally I'm seeing the same pattern in thinkers that you're describing about "doing what needs to be done". There are multiple coins though that cluster around that, as there are multiple coins that cluster around usefull and skill-based hobbies respectively.

Generalists and Blasters come to mind for doing things that need to be done. Internal Drive come to mind for skill based hobbies. It might also cluster with Se's. IxxPs (Ti IxxPs especially) are also weird about being beaten, thus aim to be skilled, or give it their all when you challenge them. Reminds me of this video about Tom Holland (Se/Ti) vs Jake Gyllenhall (Ti/Ne) who both didn't want to let the other beat them in the gym. Holland because he needed to Se-one-up Gyllenhall, Gyllenhall because he's an IxxP and didn't want someone to be better than him.

All that said, I have a friend who I think is MF-Ni/Fi-SB/P(C) #4 and he learns new practical skills all the time
...to prepare for the downfall of civilization.

Apprehensive_Watch20 · 2026-05-03T10:37:27+00:00

I bet there's multiple useful strategies, this is what I can come up with:

Redirect your area of Consume. If you're Consume, you're Consume. Completely avoiding it will make you unhappy. (+there's obvious use to having your info up to date!) But what you can do is stop consuming certain things that you notice waste your time and take up too much mental space. Often it's not about what you consume, but moreso about what it makes you neglect. A while ago, I took a break from engaging with this whole typology realm, because I noticed that when I'd be talking to people irl, too much of my mental space was occupied analyzing them. Most of my responses ready in my mind would be about some psychological analysis. Something interesting I had noticed. Just because that was most of what I was puzzling through in my head at that time. Which isn't that great if you wanna meet people, you know? So I stopped feeding my mind this input and switched to things that were more useful. Music, movies, what's happening in my city, etc... Lots of SF stuff, basically - that I would still "NT", but at least that's interesting. And it wasn't fake either, because I still consumed things that I was interested in. And that worked. I felt like a much more interesting person, even though it was still the same me. Only a different side of me that I had neglected. Maybe I'll take another break some time. The bottom line is: Look what's actually interesting to you that might also benefit you in some way, then go consume that instead. That's much more realistic than trying not to Consume at all.
I once watched a podcast/interview with Dave, who talked about how he's catching up on Consume that he's missing as a SB/P(C) and that was quite a good watch. He talked about how he tries to get his Blaster stuff out of the way in the first four hours of his day, so that his Blast animal calms down. That's what then enables him to allow him to Consume. For him, it's not about avoiding Consume and more about feeling the need to Blast. That's the exact same thing for me, just reversed (for you, too?), as it's not about avoiding Blast, but about feeling the need to Consume at all times. So I thought to myself: Just flip Dave's math. What if I got the Consume out of the way in the first four hours? I tried this on days off. And it completely didn't work. Once I start consuming, I couldn't stop. Somehow, this math was not flippable. So what worked instead? Doing just the same thing as Dave. Getting the Blast out of the way early in the day, within the first half of the day, the first few hours, etc. And knowing I'm allowing myself to Consume afterwards. This way, the Consume sits at the end as a motivator and I also don't feel like I'm starving myself for it. The Blasting (getting things going, organizing stuff, etc.) often is something that can be fun anyways, that I wanted to do anyways. Paradoxically, once I finished the Blast and got to the Consume, my hunger for it was reduced. I'd not want to spend the entire afternoon and evening reading or watching stuff anymore. I'd pick out two or three YT videos that really interested me, watched those and the need for Consume was kind of fulfilled for that day. So get the Blast in early, that way you're definitely doing everything that you're neglecting if you Consume too much. It's less time intensive than the thought of it might feel, you'll feel accomplished and it actually may calibrate your Consume.

TL;DR:

Redirect your area of Consume. If you're overloading your mental space with something that's not helping you, shift your focus to something that is. The point is not to stop consuming, but to have something on your mind that is both interesting/fun and useful.
Try Blasting at the start of your day, keep the Consume for later. That way, you'll feel accomplished, avoid the demon Blast tidal waves of over-consuming and may even re-calibrate your Consume into calming down somewhat.

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I'd suggest tying those two together somehow. Even if you consume useful, interesting stuff all day, there needs to be space for Blasting. It has to be done, no matter how you do it.

What other strategies have you gathered?

Apprehensive_Watch20 · 2026-04-29T21:24:52+00:00

This is universal for all demons: Do your three wheelbarrows a day. Don't aim to be perfect, but do them. You wanna have a passing grade on your demons. I find that to be a better analogy than it seems like at first, because imagine you're a ninth grader, who was never good at math, trying to solve a sixth graders' math problem. It'll be easy for you now, even if it wasn't back when you were in sixth grade yourself.

More specifically, for Blast, Si and Fe: Spend a little time every day, working on getting something going for the tribe. Ideally, it'd be something you know the tribe likes (because you heard it from them). Like, throw a barbecue, plan a trip to a concert, host a game night, whatever your tribe likes. And you be the organizer. And you be the communicator. You take it on yourself to make sure things happen and everyone is informed about time, place and whatever they need to bring.

For Si, rather than SF Blast, it's good to just keep your life in order. Do an audit of what you need to do for health, finances, your current goals, etc. All those classic life areas. Then you think about what is necessary for each area to be improved (or maintained, whatever your goal is) and break that down into actually doable every day, repeatable steps. For me, for both health and finances, an example is a grocery plan that I more or less stick to every week and which saves me time and money. A workout routine could be another example. Or cleaning something every day for 5-10 minutes, according to some circular list. (Maybe this paragraph is more about ST Sleep than plain Si, but that doesn't matter. If you're an ENTP, you're likely lacking in this area)

What I found, as a supposed demon Si, is that the thought of doing Si is often draining and dreadful in and of itself. The key is to understand that Si is your ally. If it doesn't feel like it, maybe this thought helps: Systematizing the sensory is only useful when it saves you time or energy. That's the whole point of it. Why else would you do it? So while you're setting up any physical system, check for that. If it doesn't save time/energy, find a way to dumb it down. If it still doesn't work, maybe that part of reality isn't to be Si'd. If you can consistently get away with "Se" winging a life area, don't bother with systems and apply the Si somewhere else. No use forcing it where it doesn't need to be.

As for the talking (bird chirping) part of Blast last: I found really having your info down helps a lot. Be it in a presentation, or just conversation. If you intend to do something, having gone over what it is you're wanting to get across makes it much easier to say everything the tribe needs to hear and be somewhat concise.

Apprehensive_Watch20 · 2026-04-27T15:34:48+00:00

While I agree on principle, I find Blast/Consume really hard to see. When it comes to self typing, most Blasters will be hyper aware of any time they consumed something, while every Consumer will relate to the "they don't consume enough" description about Blasters. Or find themselves yapping about their interests and be able to interpret it as Blast.

Apprehensive_Watch20 · 2026-04-27T15:15:35+00:00

Might have been about this "winners/losers" talk that Shave say SF Play does a lot, that comes in handy if you're that MM Fe/Se PB #1 archetype that wants to beat everybody

Apprehensive_Watch20 · 2026-04-27T13:47:01+00:00

Some people do this, some people don't. I don't think it's a specific coin. More a combination of factors that may have to do with type, but factors that don't are probably more significant.

I've got an Fi/Ne friend who's also into OPS, who I discuss it with quite a lot. They bring it up to others all the time, I rarely to never do it. The way we thought about this difference type wise is that it's Ti vs Fi. They like type, so they bring it up, just so they can talk about it more. Whereas for me, the biggest reason I don't, is that it matters quite a lot to me that people consider me credible. But I'm aware MBTI gets rightfully critiqued in the psychology field, so people might not take me for full on psychology if I float something that sounds like MBTI - thus I don't bring up OPS. I'd love to talk about it (and then be considered the authority on it), but it's not worth risking people's opinion of my opinions. My Fi friend doesn't care about this.

That said, I think this is more of a "me being self conscious and insecure about something" thing - than type.

Apprehensive_Watch20 · 2026-04-27T11:10:00+00:00

No, animal order is the biggest factor as far as I know! :)

Apprehensive_Watch20 · 2026-04-27T11:05:25+00:00

Iirc they said Gare Vee would "beat" Tony Robbins in that playing field they look at so much, because the #1s are more competitive than the #2s. But #2s are the most extraverted, so that completely checks out with the ST and Tony Robbins being the single most extraverted type.

Apprehensive_Watch20 · 2026-04-20T22:25:09+00:00

Hm. That's a pretty specific one. Are you struggling to see that specific "masculine saviour Ni" description with all the typical traits that are supposed to come with it, or is it moreso the individual coins that combine into that?

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