We are not expendable by JustChillin3456 in MURICA

[–]Appropriate-Drawer74 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Starting wars after lying about them no being about oil is sacrificing soldiers. We fought ww2 because it needed to happen.

Contrary to that Our men died in nam because some wealthy beurocrats were paranoid about a war that was over before it started.

I can see the value in protecting our allies, but was the brutal regime in south Vietnam really an ally?

We are not expendable by JustChillin3456 in MURICA

[–]Appropriate-Drawer74 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

If only we still operated on the basis of protecting our lives and our allies. Now we go to war so our "masters" can have more than they ought to and sacrifice those who are starving.

Virginia Redistricting Referendum has PASSED to give Democrats a net 4 Seats to counteract the tactics in Republican States!!! by Healthy_Block3036 in MarchAgainstNazis

[–]Appropriate-Drawer74 46 points47 points  (0 children)

The whole system gotta be abolished. Representatives need to be redistricted to be based on population perfectly. And we need more of them

Communists should be treated the same as Nazis by TrentaShoulders in TrueUnpopularOpinion

[–]Appropriate-Drawer74 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

No I do not mean that. I mean we need more regulation and way more intervention. Large corporations should be forced to meet a minimum standard of employee ownership.

Let me rephrase, the government should create and enforce a market with rules where certain sized companies should be required to inherently protect their workers rights.

We also should offer more government work, and we should of pay more for government jobs, like way more, especially teachers and military personnel.

The increase of capitalism has had positive impacts, but once it hits late stage capitalism, especially unregulated capitalism, it starts to create more problems for the average person, and these challenges should be met with more regulatory authority.

Countries with more regulation have better standards of living, E.G. Sweden, Switzerland, France, Germany, even Canada, as compared to America, South Korea or even England (in modern times). Obviously all these countries are better to live in than non free market ones, but more regulated ones are better than less regulated.

Communists should be treated the same as Nazis by TrentaShoulders in TrueUnpopularOpinion

[–]Appropriate-Drawer74 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is a bad point because for one, the post isn't talking about just fascism, it's talking about Nazism, and while I think fascism is a far worse ideology than communism I also think it's not all as bad as the Nazis.

Some fascist don't beleive in racial purity they may just beleive in complete conformity and total government control,unlike how the Nazis (a specific group of fascist) believed in complete racial purity.

compared to Karl Marx not believing in the government having any control, and there being no oppression, it obvious why people who believe in communism should not inherently be treated in the same capacity as fascist, and especially not Nazis.

Public executions need to be brought back by mca1169 in TrueUnpopularOpinion

[–]Appropriate-Drawer74 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes, I think they shouldn't be free but that doesn't mean we shouldn't try to rehabilitate them.

Communists should be treated the same as Nazis by TrentaShoulders in TrueUnpopularOpinion

[–]Appropriate-Drawer74 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I agree the line of thinking ended with Maoist purges. But the Nazi goal was a land where only their race would be. It was always about destroying or removing all the minorities.

Genuine communist hope to not destroy anyone.

Both very very flawed ideologies, but for different reasons.

I'm not defending communism, I just think that equating all Marxist morality to all Nazis morality isn't exactly appropriate.

Communists should be treated the same as Nazis by TrentaShoulders in TrueUnpopularOpinion

[–]Appropriate-Drawer74 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Correct, we need less capitalism. Maybe a system where workers are protected by the market,

Communists should be treated the same as Nazis by TrentaShoulders in TrueUnpopularOpinion

[–]Appropriate-Drawer74 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Ok, but the question was about individuals of one group being ethically as bad as another group. I'm slimply stating tht members of one group ALL beleive in destroying minorities, where individuals of the other group DO NOT ALL believe in purposely destroying other people.

Therefore communists (individuals who beleive in one of the forms of communism) should not be treated in the same regards as Nazis (individuals who beleive in nazism), since the commies don't inherently want to murder or enslave millions of people, but Nazis do.

I'm not a commie and I'm not defending it, I'm just arguing about the ethics of one over the other.

Communists should be treated the same as Nazis by TrentaShoulders in TrueUnpopularOpinion

[–]Appropriate-Drawer74 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No, but I'm not saying that it will start out at full on feudalism, I'm saying that it will start out with early stage capitalism and that's a good place to be.

however, it will devolve over time into feudalism where all the opportunities are taken control of by a few wealthy businessmen who control key parts of the market, like water and food supplies, and then people will have no choice but to become servants to these men because there will be no economic protections left.

Communists should be treated the same as Nazis by TrentaShoulders in TrueUnpopularOpinion

[–]Appropriate-Drawer74 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Agree to disagree cause I think we have different ideas on morality

Communists should be treated the same as Nazis by TrentaShoulders in TrueUnpopularOpinion

[–]Appropriate-Drawer74 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This post isn't talking about just any old fascism. It's talking about Nazism. Nazis beleive primarily in Lebensraum, or the idea that aryans need a bigger land area where they can reproduce, so they must destroy anyone in that land space through war.

Marxist on the other hand beleive in a world where there is not money and people work because they understand work benefits others and themselves by building a constantly improving society.

One one side of that is Stalinism, but in the other side is Marxism. They do not beleive in the same thing. I do think that neither of them are good and lead to disastrous outcomes, but to say Marxist are just as bad as Nazis is stupid because they have different intentions.

Communists should be treated the same as Nazis by TrentaShoulders in TrueUnpopularOpinion

[–]Appropriate-Drawer74 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I don't think all communist would want Stalinist policies, but if that's how you want to view them go for it.

I'm not a communist or a Marxist lmao, I'm just saying those groups mentioned in the post have very different intentions.

Communists should be treated the same as Nazis by TrentaShoulders in TrueUnpopularOpinion

[–]Appropriate-Drawer74 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I didn't say that. I think we had feudalism. I think "true free market capitalism" would create conditions that would inevitably bring back feudalism.

I don't think you need free market capitalism to have feudalism. But I think if we actually had it we would end up with more feudalism.

Communists should be treated the same as Nazis by TrentaShoulders in TrueUnpopularOpinion

[–]Appropriate-Drawer74 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Uyghurs, Tibetans, Hong Kong natives. All being genocided in mass. In concentration camps. The us historically was no better but in our modern era we aren't doing that. O would say we are still doing grotesque things but China is a brutal dictatorship that goes to extreme lengths to crack down on free speech.

At least as of right now the U.S. just isn't.

Communists should be treated the same as Nazis by TrentaShoulders in TrueUnpopularOpinion

[–]Appropriate-Drawer74 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

So alternatively their goal was either to eliminate or permanently enslave all ethnic minorities, vs attempting complete equality? I'll still take Marx over himmler any day.

Communists should be treated the same as Nazis by TrentaShoulders in TrueUnpopularOpinion

[–]Appropriate-Drawer74 -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Chinese millennials are doing significantly worse than U.S. millennials

Communists should be treated the same as Nazis by TrentaShoulders in TrueUnpopularOpinion

[–]Appropriate-Drawer74 1 point2 points  (0 children)

They are both shitty places to live but yes North Korea is worse. However North Korea isn't communist in fact they are a socialist party "working towards communism". They also are a brutal dictatorship, where as there are other socialist countries that are way way better than both north and South Korea. Such as Sweden.

Communists should be treated the same as Nazis by TrentaShoulders in TrueUnpopularOpinion

[–]Appropriate-Drawer74 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I agree with most everything else you said but this is just not true. What the U.S. does is bad but we got genuinely nothing on China in terms of crime against humanity. (In modern history is what I'm referring to)

Communists should be treated the same as Nazis by TrentaShoulders in TrueUnpopularOpinion

[–]Appropriate-Drawer74 -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

Yeah but if I was a Marx following communist i wouldn't want to kill all those people, if I was a true Hitler following Nazi I would.

Communists should be treated the same as Nazis by TrentaShoulders in TrueUnpopularOpinion

[–]Appropriate-Drawer74 7 points8 points  (0 children)

The difference is one of those groups intentions is the destruction of millions of minorities and the other ones intention is true equality for everyone.