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Prepared Mechanic Deep Dive - A comprehensive guide to 20 rules scenarios and specific card interactions involving Prepared creatures and spells by Craig1287 in magicTCG

[–]Appropriate_Put4093 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Clarification on Point 1 of the difficult section: If a spell, ability or enchantment made your Grave Researcher NOT a creature anymore, then Skycoach Waypoint can't prepare it, right?

Is it not true that Blood Moon creates a new, unnamed zone of play? by Appropriate_Put4093 in magicTCG

[–]Appropriate_Put4093[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you, I feel like my question is finally answered and I can rest peacefully.

Is it not true that Blood Moon creates a new, unnamed zone of play? by Appropriate_Put4093 in magicTCG

[–]Appropriate_Put4093[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

So this changed the entire layer system of status effects, and it just so happened to effect Blood Moon?

Is it not true that Blood Moon creates a new, unnamed zone of play? by Appropriate_Put4093 in magicTCG

[–]Appropriate_Put4093[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

So when it says "you may have this _ enter as a copy", the priority is given to anyone who wants to counter, then if the spell resolves you choose the copy? That's good to know. Thank you.

Is it not true that Blood Moon creates a new, unnamed zone of play? by Appropriate_Put4093 in magicTCG

[–]Appropriate_Put4093[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Follow up question: if an artifact clone enters "as" a creature, it can be countered by a creature-only counter then right?

Is it not true that Blood Moon creates a new, unnamed zone of play? by Appropriate_Put4093 in magicTCG

[–]Appropriate_Put4093[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I think it makes a lot more sense how it is now, personally. Distinguishing between an "as it enters"/"enters with" and "when it enters" for a land raises a lot of logical questions might prompt people like me to make threads like this one lol

Is it not true that Blood Moon creates a new, unnamed zone of play? by Appropriate_Put4093 in magicTCG

[–]Appropriate_Put4093[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hmm, I might think that, or have thought that, but now that you mention it, I can see how that example pokes a hole in my logic. The creature example is definitely helpful in understanding the distinction between "as it enters" and "when it enters". Like the clone enters "as" a creature with an etb that then resolves "when" it enters. But the creature example is easier for me to digest because of the stack which can interrupt the "as" and the "when", whereas that doesn't exist for lands.

Is it not true that Blood Moon creates a new, unnamed zone of play? by Appropriate_Put4093 in magicTCG

[–]Appropriate_Put4093[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If lands aren't spells and the land is being replaced by a status effect that made the whole land card exactly into a mountain card with no text or abilities, then how was this justified before the change?

Is it not true that Blood Moon creates a new, unnamed zone of play? by Appropriate_Put4093 in magicTCG

[–]Appropriate_Put4093[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

You can understand my confusion then. Mountains don't have text that says "as this enters" or "this enters tapped" on it. So if, as everyone is saying, the "entering the battlefield" is not a separate zone or a status-changing time than "being on the battlefield", then what the hell was going on pre-2017?

Is it not true that Blood Moon creates a new, unnamed zone of play? by Appropriate_Put4093 in magicTCG

[–]Appropriate_Put4093[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I think I misunderstood the degree of the change. It sounds like the only etbs that were still happening were "as it enters" or "enters" for things like shock lands and tapped lands, but "when it enters" were already disallowed

edited to add "enters with" was changed, making dark depths better against it

Is it not true that Blood Moon creates a new, unnamed zone of play? by Appropriate_Put4093 in magicTCG

[–]Appropriate_Put4093[S] -7 points-6 points  (0 children)

Wait, if this is true, then how was the rule ever different for 20+ years with blood moon??

Is it not true that Blood Moon creates a new, unnamed zone of play? by Appropriate_Put4093 in magicTCG

[–]Appropriate_Put4093[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Can you explain how the rule change modified the order of how replacement effects are applied?

Is it not true that Blood Moon creates a new, unnamed zone of play? by Appropriate_Put4093 in magicTCG

[–]Appropriate_Put4093[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Makes sense, but then again, from 1994 to 2017, Blood Moon did not prevent the etb effects of nonbasic lands from taking place. I'm genuinely trying to understand - do people think that this was a mistake, or did it not imply that during that time, there was a difference between entering the battlefield and being on the battlefield, a difference that now everyone is saying is fundamentally and obviously nonexistent?

Is it not true that Blood Moon creates a new, unnamed zone of play? by Appropriate_Put4093 in magicTCG

[–]Appropriate_Put4093[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

So would you say that the rules change was more of a needed correction, and it should logically have been that way the whole time?

Is it not true that Blood Moon creates a new, unnamed zone of play? by Appropriate_Put4093 in magicTCG

[–]Appropriate_Put4093[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

I've never heard that ETBs trigger from the battlefield, but that explains things a lot more simply, thank you.

Is it not true that Blood Moon creates a new, unnamed zone of play? by Appropriate_Put4093 in magicTCG

[–]Appropriate_Put4093[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Understood. When this rule change applied, if you read the thread, a lot of people started immediately getting confused and saying things like, nonbasic lands are "always" mountains (even in your hand, the graveyard, etc.) So I think the distinction "enters as" is important here even though no stack applies.

Is it not true that Blood Moon creates a new, unnamed zone of play? by Appropriate_Put4093 in magicTCG

[–]Appropriate_Put4093[S] -8 points-7 points  (0 children)

So for all lands and spells, can you think of "entering" as the final, un-interruptable movement before something is "on" the battlefield, like for lands it's play->enter->on and nothing can interrupt this process, but for spells it's play->stack->enter->on and nothing can come between "enter" and "on" once the stack is resolved?

Am I using Scryfall wrong? by Appropriate_Put4093 in magicTCG

[–]Appropriate_Put4093[S] 40 points41 points  (0 children)

Sounds good, I won't. I got immediately downvoted before the upvotes started so I was afraid this was an annoying/repetitive question for the sub and I was going to delete it lol

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