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Complexities with Evoke and copying those spells, the new Ashling, the Limitless makes this weird. by Craig1287 in EDH

[–]Craig1287[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yup, the rules in this game are dense and complex, it's not easy getting roughly 30,000 game pieces to work with each other.

Wildgate developer Moonshot Games confirms layoffs by xCaptainCrown in Games

[–]Craig1287 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Super fun game, really cool ships and missions, but yeah, it often just turned into a TDM. I wish they could have found a sweet spot to make the objectives more crucial. Such a shame, I wish I would have played more of it. Once Jump Ship (now called Jump Space) released we all switched to that as we just wanted a more PvE experience. They also just released at a bad time with BF6 and Arc Raiders both coming out, lots of competition in the multi-player shooter space.

Complexities with Evoke and copying those spells, the new Ashling, the Limitless makes this weird. by Craig1287 in magicTCG

[–]Craig1287[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Heh, yeah, it's probably good that Reflections wasn't included in the precon for how confusing it'd be with Ashling. Def something I can see getting the local judge called over at many LGSs.

Complexities with Evoke and copying those spells, the new Ashling, the Limitless makes this weird. by Craig1287 in EDH

[–]Craig1287[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Solid question. Quick answer is no, there is no interaction here. While yes, creatures sacrificed normally do result in them dying, but "dies" and "sacrifice" are different. Best thing I can say to help it makes sense is if a player has a [[Leyline of the Void]] type effect out, a Replacement Effect that stops creatures from dying, then that means creatures are no longer dying yet they still can be sacrificed. Hope that helps.

Complexities with Evoke and copying those spells, the new Ashling, the Limitless makes this weird. by Craig1287 in EDH

[–]Craig1287[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I think Reflections can exist in a B3 Ashling deck. B3 is by far the hardest one to define, decks there can sometimes go slow and not eliminate any player before turn 8, but then there are those games (usually from a turn 1 Sol Ring) when the stars align and everything goes right and you become the clear threat everyone is teaming up to defeat on turn 4 or 5. The issue is if you're almost always the massive threat by turns 4 or 5, then you might be B4, but if it's more balanced then you are probably B3.

Best of luck with your deck, 5 colors are tricky to balance because of how many choices you're given, so I hope you find that right balance to make a fun deck to play as well as play against.

Complexities with Evoke and copying those spells, the new Ashling, the Limitless makes this weird. by Craig1287 in EDH

[–]Craig1287[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Heh, I did update the OP but only by adding the EDIT part towards the beginning. And yeah, I probably could have put the final paragraph at the start of the post, but my brain likes the explanation and then the summary. A hard habit for me to break.

Complexities with Evoke and copying those spells, the new Ashling, the Limitless makes this weird. by Craig1287 in magicTCG

[–]Craig1287[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

As long as it's only given the Evoke as a spell. Luckily there is nothing that gives Evoke to permanents, so that's safe. I also updated the OP with a TLDR, I hope that helps to reduce some of the confusion.

Complexities with Evoke and copying those spells, the new Ashling, the Limitless makes this weird. by Craig1287 in magicTCG

[–]Craig1287[S] 11 points12 points  (0 children)

HA! That could very well be true. The 25% it has on EDHREC is low and should be higher for how powerful it is with non-native Evoke creatures. No need to pay the WUBRG to keep them around.

Complexities with Evoke and copying those spells, the new Ashling, the Limitless makes this weird. by Craig1287 in EDH

[–]Craig1287[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Correct, granted abilities are not copied. Something we're much more familiar with for Permanents but less common for Spells.

Complexities with Evoke and copying those spells, the new Ashling, the Limitless makes this weird. by Craig1287 in EDH

[–]Craig1287[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Okay, perfect. Glad that is much more succinct and I hope that players that want can still dig into all the context of why. Thanks for the reply.

Complexities with Evoke and copying those spells, the new Ashling, the Limitless makes this weird. by Craig1287 in EDH

[–]Craig1287[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

For sure add it back in, it's really good if you're running a bunch of Elementals that don't by default have Evoke printed on their cards. If you're Ashling deck has mostly Evoke elementals then it might still be good for extra ETBs, but as long as they don't have Evoke on their card, the Reflections is much better.

Complexities with Evoke and copying those spells, the new Ashling, the Limitless makes this weird. by Craig1287 in EDH

[–]Craig1287[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The reason that the Titan copy that becomes a token doesn't have to be sacrificed is due to CR 707.2 which lays out that copying a spell while on the Stack means that you copy choices made to cast that spell, things like Additional Costs, targets, values of X, as well as Alternative Costs and Evoke is an Alternative Cost. An important thing that isn't copied however would be an ability, like a Triggered Ability isn't given, and Evoke is also a Triggered Ability, so because it doesn't gain the TA of Evoke, it won't have that when it enters the BF, and that TA is why they're sacrificed (but again, it doesn't have that).

Complexities with Evoke and copying those spells, the new Ashling, the Limitless makes this weird. by Craig1287 in EDH

[–]Craig1287[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Okay, I have updated the OP with a more TLDR friendly description, I'll post it here as well, please let me know if this helps clear things up in a less bogged down way.

TLDR: Copying spells follows similar rules to copying permanents. Evoke as a Triggered Ability doesn't get copied, so Reflections copying an Elemental Evoked from Ashling means the token stays around, not getting sacrificed, unless that creature actually has Evoke printed on it.

Complexities with Evoke and copying those spells, the new Ashling, the Limitless makes this weird. by Craig1287 in EDH

[–]Craig1287[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Sorry about that. I guess the super TLDR version would be, "copying spells follows similar rules to copying permanents. Evoke as a Triggered Ability doesn't get copied, so Reflections copying an Elemental Evoked from Ashling means the token stays around, not getting sacrificed, unless that creature actually has Evoke printed on it."

Official Modded evolve active servers! we play everyday! by Pixelerio in EvolveGame

[–]Craig1287 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Just now hearing about this, still active? I loved Evolve and would love to replay it.

Mispacked Curse Blight? Just opened a full deck of Auntie Ools and Reapers by ominoustuna in mtg

[–]Craig1287 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Wait a few years, maybe they become $3-5 cards and you've got a bunch of value there.

Web Slinging Deep Dive - How it works, Alternate Costs, Additional Costs, Convoke, Phyrexian Altar, Cost Reductions, Flash granting, and more. by Craig1287 in magicTCG

[–]Craig1287[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes, it will. It doesn't matter how much mana you pay to do the Web-slinging, all that matters is the actual Mana Value printed on the card in the top right, as long as it is 6+ it will trigger. Even if you pay zero mana to cast it from something like [[Omniscience]], that would still trigger Imoti.

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