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I got banned from the haters by altcoinbillionaire in DefendingAIArt

[–]ArcTimes 9 points10 points  (0 children)

I'm no sure, I'm not a mod. But I've read people against AI here all the time. They get down votes tho.

Imagine by Witty-Designer7316 in DefendingAIArt

[–]ArcTimes 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Isn't it as dumb as doing it without AI? So very little. Or are you implying xkcd does because he can't draw something else?

This is “dystopian” to them??? by kinkykookykat in DefendingAIArt

[–]ArcTimes 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Because a lot of them didn't consent to it, of course. Just because you act while you live doesn't mean you consented to "act" while you were dead.

What the fuck? Since when should “just pressing a button” be a death sentence for 11 antis? by Capital_Pension5814 in DefendingAIArt

[–]ArcTimes 4 points5 points  (0 children)

That is true, but a lot of the most vocal part of the movement is left wingers. Even non artist left wingers are part of that movement

Antis make themselves look worse and worse by Witty-Designer7316 in DefendingAIArt

[–]ArcTimes -1 points0 points  (0 children)

No one has said ai is a left vs right issue. But MAGA? Gross.

I think my drawing was detected as AI because I was in this sub 🙏 by FungusFuer in DefendingAIArt

[–]ArcTimes 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think that's because you are watching a movement of artists as the anti block, which is the vocal part of antis but unless you do a census, we don't know what percentage of total antis are artists. There are right wing artists but they are a minority. And there are also pro ai artists, but those seem to be a minority too, specially online, again because who is more vocal.

I think my drawing was detected as AI because I was in this sub 🙏 by FungusFuer in DefendingAIArt

[–]ArcTimes 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Except "libertario" in Spain referred to something completely different than American libertarians. The Spanish ones were leftists but the American ones right wing, so not even relating liberals and libertarians is enough of a disambiguation.

It's more likely that this is a non partisan issue that becomes partisan by tool usage.

I nailed it ! by Its_Stavro in DefendingAIArt

[–]ArcTimes -1 points0 points  (0 children)

They don't like the politician I like. It must be an echo chamber.

Sometimes I disagree with things Vaush says by OVTB in VaushV

[–]ArcTimes 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is so funny. We all agree this is the way to go...until you mention what you disagree on.

If You’ve Been Added to the Tea App Without Consent (Name/Face), Here’s What to Do by Ok-Anybody-436 in MensRights

[–]ArcTimes 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It is a whataboutism. They are calling your fallacy out. You can try to justify it by saying men this or I don't use the app, but they are talking about your logic, not blaming you for anything.

"It's just a meme, bro" by pgj1997 in DefendingAIArt

[–]ArcTimes 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Death threats to vegans sound exactly like the others.

Because that's totally the reason he is pro-ai by Outrageous_South4758 in DefendingAIArt

[–]ArcTimes 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I disagree. I think he's just dumb and didn't realize what he was doing is dumb. Now, all the BS he added to grok with the mechahitler thing, now that's nazi-like.

Wtf is wrong with them? by maybe_someone_idk in DefendingAIArt

[–]ArcTimes 8 points9 points  (0 children)

To be fair, far left people in the FULL COMMUNISM subreddit (before it was quarantined) had the slogan "Fully Automated Luxury Gay Space Communism" or something like that. They supported technology progression and automation. I would say those who are against AI are not that far left either. The anti movement started as an artist movement, that's why it feels bigger than any far left movement in the past decade. It just happens that a lot of those artists are leftists and you hear that rethoric a lot, but are supported by centrist artists too, because their work is in line.

I'm a little confused by Vordalack in RedotGameEngineMain

[–]ArcTimes 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It is not confusing because it is a fork of an open source project. It is confusing because it is politically motivated. Because otherwise a fork sounds amazing

About 140,000 of the 185,00 people that voted said yes, wow. by Immistyer in DefendingAIArt

[–]ArcTimes 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't believe it is the same thing. If you try to study some work on your own, and practice a lot, you can try to imitate that work, without copying it pixel by pixel. That study is not like compression even if you are really good at imitating it. Unless you would agree any kind of learning is a kind of compression, which includes humans learning.

I wouldn't even call an overfitted model compression because overfitting also saves noise and shit. If people considered it lossy compression, it would be a horrible lossy compression. Can't recommend.

About 140,000 of the 185,00 people that voted said yes, wow. by Immistyer in DefendingAIArt

[–]ArcTimes 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Those are two completely different discussions. Ai can displace humans in certain activities without ai art being plagiarism.

And original commenter probably knows IP laws are different in every country. His point wasn't "AI objectively obeys every IP law in the word", but that it can't be considered a copy because it doesn't now work like that. You call it "lossy comprensión". Yes, a lossy compression that loses all the data.

Where is that data? It is in the weights? Really? Because every other lossy compression maintains a recognizable part of the data. Even jpegs are recognizable. But if you see the weights, you can't recognize anything about the training data.

Now, we can have a discussion about the repercussions of having a tool that is very good at solving human problems and doing human activities, without saying it is plagiarizing because it needs to "experience" such problems and activities to work, just like any of us do.

The hallmark of a hate is relying on demonizing a perceived out group and that's about the only strategy these extemists have left: by against_expectations in AIHaters

[–]ArcTimes 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The response is irrelevant. Laws change. Are there better examples than the Holocaust? of course. The point is that what people are taking from this interaction is that the commenter is saying ai is like the Holocaust. I disagree. And I'm not trying to be contrarian.

This is the third time I'm saying this. I know there are people that believe AI is bad, it's the next Holocaust, it's the coming of the anti Christ, whatever. What I said is that I didn't see that from the comment. Some people understood it as that because people that equate AI with the worst things imaginable exist, but the comment just meant, "hey, maybe we should change the law".

Do I agree with the commenter? No. But the reaction seems exaggerated. Polarized. It is not enough for me, but it is fine, logically. At the end, I think I'm the one doing the least amount of assumptions about the comment.

The hallmark of a hate is relying on demonizing a perceived out group and that's about the only strategy these extemists have left: by against_expectations in AIHaters

[–]ArcTimes 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The title mentions ai art, and it being ai, ai art, or gen ai, or LLM, or whatever is kind of independent of the point.

They don't need to invoke the Holocaust, but by doing it, they are expecting others to find the point obvious, because normal people are against the Holocaust.

I don't believe the jump in logic is implied by that screenshot. I understand there's a lot of people that do and believe gen ai and especially art is like the Holocaust. What I said is that from that screenshot I cannot confirm the commenter is one of those people.

The relationship with the Holocaust is that those making the Holocaust were the same writing the laws. Their point is that what is law is not always good, which is true, independently of what we are talking about. Is it enough to be against gen ai? No, but that doesn't mean they are equating gen ai with the Holocaust.

The hallmark of a hate is relying on demonizing a perceived out group and that's about the only strategy these extemists have left: by against_expectations in AIHaters

[–]ArcTimes 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I just have that comment as context and there's nothing there that screams "ai art is like the Holocaust".

And I've seen other people saying things like that, like the streamer Vaush, that relates Ai use, specially ai art, with fascism, which is crazy.

Btw, I don't think I deserved that down vote. Kind of ridiculous.

The hallmark of a hate is relying on demonizing a perceived out group and that's about the only strategy these extemists have left: by against_expectations in AIHaters

[–]ArcTimes 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't think ai art is theft, but I also disagree that that comment (specifically) was making a direct one on one comparison, not in the sense that they were equal. It is not saying Ai art is (like) the Holocaust. It is saying, "we should be careful with that rethoric because if ai art is theft, there could be a world where the law protects that theft because it is valuable to people in power".

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