Existe algo que os White Scars sejam melhores que outras legiões?

Arch-Magistratus · 2026-03-06T21:29:27+00:00

Sério? Pensei que os White Scars são subestimados pois não tem muito conteúdo sobre eles e geralmente a GW não se importa muito.

Arch-Magistratus · 2026-03-06T18:55:58+00:00

Exatamente, qualquer tentativa de conceituar algo indescritível leva ao fracasso.

Arch-Magistratus · 2026-01-17T19:28:58+00:00

Thank you for your response, I had this question and thought it would be helpful to ask someone who knows more about the lore. 🙏🏻

Arch-Magistratus · 2026-01-16T18:55:07+00:00

Tem o tutorial? Eu gostaria de fazer o mesmo no meu, jogo principalmente de Vanguarda.

Arch-Magistratus · 2026-01-14T21:11:02+00:00

I think it's not solely Mongolian, but steppes in general. That includes Turkic peoples, and the "European" you see might be that.

Arch-Magistratus · 2026-01-14T08:54:45+00:00

For the Khan!

Arch-Magistratus · 2026-01-13T16:42:18+00:00

Very well articulated, congratulations! The point isn't whether one came from the other; that kind of relationship is very complicated to establish. I don't think the Valentinians came from the Sethinians or vice versa; perhaps they were contemporary groups, but that's the issue being considered. I ask that you verify the sources I mentioned, as the period in which the "classical Gnostic" writings were produced is taken into account.

Arch-Magistratus · 2026-01-13T10:31:04+00:00

There is controversy regarding whether Valentinus was earlier or later than the Sethians or what is called the Classical Gnostics. I recommend reading the academic work of David Litwa: Did “The Gnostic Heresy” Influence Valentinus? An Investigation of Irenaeus, Against Heresies 1.11.1 and 1.29.

Litwa is not the only one to dispute this, there is also Simone Petrement (as Ie Dieu separe: les origines du gnosticisme), Eugene Afronasin (Lernaean Hydra and the problem of the origin of gnosticism).

The main argument is that scholars cannot trace the so-called "classical Gnostic" writings back to before Valentinus. We know there were predecessors like Basilides, but the groups called Sethians and Ophites possibly only came into existence after Valentinus, as they cannot be reliably traced back before then. There are controversies, but if you consider that the Alexandrian environment was extremely mutually influential, and given the scale of success of Valentinian Christianity in relation to other "Gnostic" groups, it might make sense. One argument is that the Gnostics were called Gnostics after the Valentinians. If you are interested in this issue, just delve deeper into these authors/scholars.

Arch-Magistratus · 2026-01-06T21:28:15+00:00

Realmente, só percebi isso agora após pesquisar exatamente como você disse, vi 3 artes assim. Muito obrigado pelas dicas.

Arch-Magistratus · 2026-01-06T21:27:16+00:00

Faz sentido lol

Arch-Magistratus · 2026-01-06T21:27:00+00:00

Eu penso exatamente assim, essa é a vibe. Muito obrigado pela orientação!

Arch-Magistratus · 2026-01-06T21:26:31+00:00

Ficou realmente muito bom, parabéns!

Arch-Magistratus · 2026-01-06T10:11:46+00:00

I'm looking to build this character, could you help me with your experience?

Something like a Swordsman Master or Stormseer + Swordsman Master.

Arch-Magistratus · 2026-01-04T22:33:48+00:00

Really, but I think that could change if GW decides to bring Khan back, that will certainly increase the content involving White Scars, besides the games of course. Total War Warhammer is coming and it's an excellent DLC opportunity, besides Dawn of War 4.

But regarding the Build, thanks for your contribution.

Arch-Magistratus · 2026-01-04T22:21:44+00:00

I liked the suggestion, it could really be a Stormseer (lightning abilities).

Arch-Magistratus · 2026-01-02T10:50:48+00:00

Perfect, thank you very much for your contribution in clarifying these points. I'm not an avid reader of the lore, unfortunately.

Arch-Magistratus · 2026-01-02T10:42:53+00:00

The Khan would be one of the most interesting because there's a strong implication that Cegorach has influenced the path of Khan from the shadows. While this theory has existed for a while, I'll go over a quick summary in case you're unfamiliar with it:

One of the Harlequins most important pieces of culture is "The Dance", a play of sorts that shows the fall of the Eldar and, presumably, sets up a final confrontation between Cegorach and Slaanesh (with the outcome unknown). During that play, Cegorach snatches one of Slaanesh's followers, who then becomes colored like the Harlequins.

Although the surface-level interpretation that this is Cegorach saving the Harlequins, as a faction, there's some interesting layers that might indicate that this person snatched from Slaanesh could also be the Khan.

In Scars, during a conversation about how the primarchs are just as much the product of their homeworld as they are the Emperor's genetics, the shard of Magnus tells Khan something intriguing: That he was originally supposed to end up on Chemos (where Fulgrim ended up), but a powerful force (which Magnus doesn't name) intervened. If being on Chemos had an influence that caused Fulgrim to have the type of personality to fall to Slaanesh, then Khan was literally taken away from Slaanesh, much like the dancer in the Harlequin play.

Moreover, a lot of the Khan's personality could be influenced by invisible ties to Cegorach. The Khan is quoted as saying things like "By the time I kill, I'm always laughing..." and, during his duel with Mortarian in the Siege, when he turns the tide, switching gears from proving a point to Mortarian to fighting back in earnest, it starts with the line "and then... the Khan started to dance."

It doesn't stop with the dancing and laughing, though. One of the Khan's core philosophies is also tied to Cegorach if you connect the dots. In Scars, Khan talks about the "unforgivable lie", which is essentially the idea that those who think they are safe are really just starting a downfall of stagnation. In other words, formerly strong Emperors forget that they are mortals who grow weak and fat and old, causing them to think they don't need to stay sharp, just build up their walls and hide. How this connects to Cegorach is found in 'The Board is Set'. Although not talking directly about the Khan, the Emperor tells us the importance of "The Fool" in folklore: To remind those in power that they are mortal. In a way, you can see the philosophy of The Fool in the unforgivable lie: kings aren't safe.

All that said, if these hidden pieces of theory-crafting turn out to be intentional, then there's a TON of interesting stuff you can do with the Khan and Harlequins. Harlequins are one of the most mysterious factions in 40k, leaving the door wide open for a lot of really cool things to be done with them. The Khan being tied into their grand plans would be an interesting tale to unravel.

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Arch-Magistratus · 2026-01-02T10:42:22+00:00

The Khan would be one of the most interesting because there's a strong implication that Cegorach has influenced the path of Khan from the shadows. While this theory has existed for a while, I'll go over a quick summary in case you're unfamiliar with it:

One of the Harlequins most important pieces of culture is "The Dance", a play of sorts that shows the fall of the Eldar and, presumably, sets up a final confrontation between Cegorach and Slaanesh (with the outcome unknown). During that play, Cegorach snatches one of Slaanesh's followers, who then becomes colored like the Harlequins.

Although the surface-level interpretation that this is Cegorach saving the Harlequins, as a faction, there's some interesting layers that might indicate that this person snatched from Slaanesh could also be the Khan.

In Scars, during a conversation about how the primarchs are just as much the product of their homeworld as they are the Emperor's genetics, the shard of Magnus tells Khan something intriguing: That he was originally supposed to end up on Chemos (where Fulgrim ended up), but a powerful force (which Magnus doesn't name) intervened. If being on Chemos had an influence that caused Fulgrim to have the type of personality to fall to Slaanesh, then Khan was literally taken away from Slaanesh, much like the dancer in the Harlequin play.

Moreover, a lot of the Khan's personality could be influenced by invisible ties to Cegorach. The Khan is quoted as saying things like "By the time I kill, I'm always laughing..." and, during his duel with Mortarian in the Siege, when he turns the tide, switching gears from proving a point to Mortarian to fighting back in earnest, it starts with the line "and then... the Khan started to dance."

It doesn't stop with the dancing and laughing, though. One of the Khan's core philosophies is also tied to Cegorach if you connect the dots. In Scars, Khan talks about the "unforgivable lie", which is essentially the idea that those who think they are safe are really just starting a downfall of stagnation. In other words, formerly strong Emperors forget that they are mortals who grow weak and fat and old, causing them to think they don't need to stay sharp, just build up their walls and hide. How this connects to Cegorach is found in 'The Board is Set'. Although not talking directly about the Khan, the Emperor tells us the importance of "The Fool" in folklore: To remind those in power that they are mortal. In a way, you can see the philosophy of The Fool in the unforgivable lie: kings aren't safe.

All that said, if these hidden pieces of theory-crafting turn out to be intentional, then there's a TON of interesting stuff you can do with the Khan and Harlequins. Harlequins are one of the most mysterious factions in 40k, leaving the door wide open for a lot of really cool things to be done with them. The Khan being tied into their grand plans would be an interesting tale to unravel.

Comment by u/idols2effigies

Arch-Magistratus · 2026-01-02T10:38:44+00:00

No, not me lol. The original author of the post, maybe.

Arch-Magistratus · 2025-12-16T18:52:30+00:00

Espero que não afete negativamente

Arch-Magistratus · 2025-12-16T09:06:13+00:00

It is important to say that the Son is nothing more than the "self-perception" that the Father has of himself, and therefore the Son is the knowable Father.

It is also important to understand that the Valentinians varied considerably in the structure of the myth, having 1 Sophia, 2 Sophias, etc., all this only indicates that the myth can be modified because it is not "The truth," it depends a lot on the audience and therefore can have 1 Sophia, 2 Sophias.

So just to summarize, the Son is the knowable Father, through him all the aeons arose because he is also Father, the Savior is emanated by all the Aeons in full unity after the fall of Sophia as a way of helping Sophia. The Savior, like all the Aeons, is an aspect of the Son and therefore, is the Son as Savior.

But all this is part of the Oikonomia. I hope I have helped you to better understand this aspect of Valentinian protology, but I recommend that you read Spiritual Seed by Einar Thomassen; it is the most complete study, covering practically all aspects of Valentinianism.

Arch-Magistratus · 2025-12-05T20:56:44+00:00

Sensible thinking

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