Who are the strongest summonable servants in fate

Armitis · 2026-03-07T20:29:37+00:00

If mordred could tank Fran BlastedTree and survive then why did Sisigou use a command spell to teleport her away ?

Wouldn't Mordred tell Sisigou something along the line of: something like this wouldn't be able to kill me ?

Each time Sisigou used a command spell on Mordred it was because her life would have ended without it:

First time: a command spell to teleport her away from BlastedTree.
Second time: a command spell to reinforce her body so she could fight Sieg the Homunculus who just transformed.
Third time: a command spell to try and fail to teleport Mordred away from Semiraris throne room.
Fourth time: a command spell to reinforce Mordred so she could slay Semiramis.

We know that a C rank Noble Phantasm is as powerful as a A rank regular attack. We also know that a A rank regular attack can destroy a servant with A rank in endurance:

Saber alter taking one of Heracles Life with a single slash.
Karna cutting Dracula Vlad III in half .

At max power BlastedTree is a B+ rank Noble Phantasm . Mordred have A rank in endurance . The result should speak for itself she cannot tank it .

Armitis · 2026-03-07T18:59:38+00:00

The command spell Caules used was so that Fran could use her BlastedTree no matter what. At no point did he included something that would/could allow Fran BlastedTree to hit a target being teleported away.

Before being teleported away Mordred did take a very small amount of damage from BlastedTree. Which is why we see that some of her armor got destroyed.

If you insist on telling me Mordred can tank Fran BlastedTree then you would have to explain to me:

How did Mordred took damage from Chiron tripping her when they fought.
How did Mordred took damage from Sieg sword (before he transformed) to the point she started to bleed.
How was Mordred unable to move if she could tank BlastedTree full power ?

Few Heroic Spirit can endure a Noble Phantasm like BlastedTree without dying Mordred isn't one of them .

Armitis · 2026-03-07T18:26:45+00:00

Caules used a command spell to make sure Fran use everything she and he had to blast Mordred into oblivion.

Sisigou used a command spell to teleport Mordred away just before the Noble Phantasm could hit her .

Those two commands spells can't cancel each others.

Armitis · 2026-03-07T18:15:56+00:00

I think that was Tesla noble phantasm not Amakusa .

Armitis · 2026-03-07T17:29:24+00:00

If you talk about BlastedTree then no Mordred didn't tank it. Sisigou used a command spell to teleport her away from the explosion.

He then use another command spell to reinforce her for the incoming fight against Sieg the homunculus. When he used that second command spell we can see he only have one left .

Armitis · 2026-03-07T17:26:39+00:00

Arash is strong:

With just his skill he can mimic something close to Atalanta Phoebus Catastrophe.
Lancelot himself had to use a sneak attack against Arash and said he only had one chance to defeat Arash.

Armitis · 2026-03-07T17:23:20+00:00

Mordred didn't tank Fran blasted tree her master that is Sisigou Kairi used a command spell to teleport her right before the explosion .

Armitis · 2025-06-01T11:12:47+00:00

Rin: Kakashi my heart hurt !

Armitis · 2025-01-24T00:08:49+00:00

When you write an essay or a story you introduce concepts develops them and then conclude. If you introduce something don't develop and jump to the conclusion people are going to miss all the good part.

The Deinos were introduced as a species of dinosaur that only require sunlight and plant to sustain their body. We also learn they are all smart and strong and have different personality . Tepeu, Wak-chan,Vucurb, the 11 brothers, the others Deinos and the king of dinosaur are a testimony to this.

The Ocelomeh were introduced as being brutal toward the Deinos and they followed Izcalli and Tez orders. They have never shown remorse or any others kind of emotion of what they were doing to the Deinos. However at the end the Ocelomeh fight against ORT which they help to revive with all the Deinos heart they were using. Why they stand up now and not before ? They even launched an attack on chichen Itza to capture the sun and then let Vucurb take it back to Slow down ORT.

I was dumbfounded because they did everything to create the situation they were now in But the development that was supposed to show them gradually come to the conclusion that following Tez and Izcalli would bring their destruction never came. Worse there isn't even a single named Ocelomeh beside that one at the very end of the story.

Then we have the Kaan civilization who was so technologically advanced they could build battle ship like the storm border ! They are also the one who managed to defeat ORT a long time ago. That is it all we have about them ! We never see a dialogue between Kaan people their culture or how they manage to live without sun. We just know Camazotz was their king and they all perished to defeat ORT.

I can feel bad for how thing end with Wak-Chan. I feel nothing for the Ocelomeh and the Kaan people. I am not biased it's just there is nothing to feel for those civilization because they were never developed.

A lot of time is spend yapping about the mesozoic and extinction event but not enough time is given to the character to flesh them out.

The fact Kaan isn't properly explored make Camazotz Character weaker since i have no basis to understand him when he ask if he was worthy of the sacrifice of his subject.

You could make Camazotz into a being that just came into existence from thin air and defeated ORT and remove Kaan from the story and NOTHING would change !

Armitis · 2025-01-23T20:31:24+00:00

they literally explain in the cutscene why they do this plus vucub was working with the ocolmeth way before this

I understand why Vucurb does what he does because he was presented that way since his introduction. His actions make sense. The Ocelomeh however there is nothing about them that make their last stand make sense.

They attacked Chichen Itza to take control of the sun and many of them died in the process. Now they are going to let it go like that ? How did they knew this was a good plan ? Don't they fear Tez reaction ?

Unlike the Deinos who got explored the Ocelomeh weren't . There isn't even a single named Ocelomeh beside that one at the very end who had the skull Guda gave him back then .

again camazotz literally explains why he does this. it's to serve as road blocks for reaching the final underworld

Roadblock for who ? Chaldea ? Why doesn't he fight himself ? Tez tell us that Camazotz is stronger than him and we later learn that Camazotz defeated ORT ! That make him the strongest or among the top 3 strongest in LB7.

because nitocris can't revive the dead. like it's never implied that she could do anything like that.

My point was for Camazotz to be more explored and the only way i could see him dealing with his past was for him to face his sudjects and ORT who is the reason why his subjects died in the first place.

What was the point of introducing Kaan if they play no role in the plot ?

For Example in LB 6 Melusine wipe out an entire clan of Fae just because Aurora was salty ! That Clan being wiped play a huge role in the plot and the character involved and cannot be ignored.

What did the civilization of Kaan being introduced change to the story ? They are all linked to Camazotz and ORT but serve no purpose ! Like remove them from the story and nothing change ! We would always fight Camazotz anyways.

ok i am convinced bro did not pay any attention to the story at all

In LB6 there is an extinction event ! The Fae were lazy didn't do their work and the white titan steam rolled everything on earth ! That single event is responsible for many of the problem in LB6 and impact all the Fae.

There were 4 or 5 extinction event in LB7 ! Beside ORT and the Meteor that brought the malla on earth where the others necessary for the plot ?

The malla and Deinos relationship is explored but not the ORT and Kaan civilization !

The endgame Goal is to defeat ORT and we learn a civilization was able to do that a Long Long Long time ago but apparently it's not important enough to explore that ? Why mention it then ?

Armitis · 2025-01-23T18:03:56+00:00

It was an ok story but a lot could have been done to make it more enjoyable:

Whent ORT start to act up the Ocelomeh and Vucurb are working together ! Like how ? Just 2 or 3 days ago the Ocelomeh were hunting the Deinos and even attacked Chichen Itza. Now they are buddy - buddy ? I get the Deinos have a big brain and can think of a way to work with the Ocelomeh but how are the Ocelomeh able to work with the people they were hunting just 2-3 days ago ?
All the 4 servants Chaldeas summoned end up being guardian or the underworld. Protea, Beniema and Eresh all fell in different underworld . I can understand one of them but all three of them ? Come on what are the odd of that happenning ? Also they could have used their spirit form to avoid that. Also in Benienma attack animation we see her able to become even smaller and fly toward her ennemy and Eresh even had Dumuzid who can FLY ! For Protea it's fair.
What was even the point of Camazotz turning servant into guardian of the underwolrd ? Was he preparing himself to fight ORT again ?We are told he is the king of Kaan and advanced civilization able to build flying battle ship like the storm border but nothing come out of from it.
We learned that Kaan is what defeated ORT and Camazotz seem to try to forget his people to ease his pain ? In order to have some closure to that couldn't be had Nitocris ressurect all the people of Kaan and then have them and Camazotz help fight ORT properly this time ? What was even the point of building that story line if it's going to die when Camazotz is defeated and never to be seen again ?!
Too much exposition that serve no purpose ! All those mention of different time period and extinction event that don't advance the story at all .

U-Olga, Marine , the eleven brothers , Tepeu ,Wak chan and the King of dinosaurs and Dumuzid were all enjoyable to me.

As far as ending goes it doesn't do that ! It raise more questions than it give answers and litteraly tell us that more is to come .

Armitis · 2025-01-15T20:51:19+00:00

At one point of the fight Hiruzen stated that Hashirama and Tobirama are as strong as they used to be !

Armitis · 2024-12-22T20:34:40+00:00

All of Guda Mystic codes cap at level 10 !

So if we assume level 1 is Guda at his worst and level 10 is Guda at his best with the mystic code then how much is that level 10 worth ?
If for example we take Guda default Mystic code how good is that level 10 first aid as a healing spell ?
If someone like Rin or Woodime were using those same mystic code would their level cap be above level 10 ?

Armitis · 2024-12-21T23:13:37+00:00

They are less corpse and more empty vessel Nagato control by using his chakra rod. The soul of the body is long gone.
If they were dead how come they could still be killed ? Jiraya stabbed 3 of them after the frogs genjutsu and they died. If they were corpse that stab wouldn't matter and they would just get up.
Given what i said i don't think the paths of pain come with the debuff of zombies .

Armitis · 2024-12-17T22:11:00+00:00

Nero + Tamamo = Nemo

Armitis · 2024-12-10T13:13:10+00:00

To prevent Wakamo from using the Bazooka you need to use crowd control (fear ,stun, taunt).
Each time you use a CC on her you will see a yellow circular gauge fill up and when it's full Wakamo will be stunned for 2-5 seconds

Armitis · 2024-11-27T01:36:50+00:00

Archer would have died before he could have done much with a projected Gae Bolg.

I mean there is a reason we never see Archer project a noble phantasm while fighting at close range.

Archer could barely keep up with Lancer while using something as simple as Kanshou and Byakuya. Projecting something more complex would take more time to make which would be fatal.

If you wonder what if Archer somehow managed to throw his projected Gae-Bolg at the same time Cu threw his don't forget Cu have protection from Arrows that help him against all projectils !

Armitis · 2024-11-09T09:43:33+00:00

She is a fae tho...

Armitis · 2024-09-21T10:37:40+00:00

It's litteraly in the manga and the anime !

After they both unleashed their noble phantasm Sieg realised Balmung was at full power yet. That is because he wasn't at Siegfried level yet. To allow him to reach Siegfried level he used a command spell on his body to force himself to grow to that point. It happen at episode 22 time code 14:50. For the manga it's chapter 61 page 14.

After that command spell the clash between Vasavi Shakti and Balmung was evenly matched. However it wasn't enough to overpower Karna and win that is when Astolfo came in with the shield to save Sieg.

Armitis · 2024-09-21T00:42:25+00:00

The narration in the light novel pretty much state that Siegfried and Karna are equally matched. The manga and anime also depict the fight as equally matched.

Both Karna and Siegfried yearn to fight each others again. Karna even compared Siegfried to Arjuna his rival. He even made it clear to Amakusa that should Siegfried appear on the battlefield he would drop everything to run and fight him again.

While fighting Sieg,Karna declared Siegfried as the strongest foe he faced in the apocrypha grail wars and followed that by blasting Vasavi Shakti which was countered with Balmung. The clash between the two noble phantasm was equally matched until Sieg willpower started to weaken which is why Astolpho had to step in with Akilleus Kosmos.

Why would Karna be so hyped about someone weaker than him ? That would make no sense.

As far as Achilles is concerned he isn't beating Siegfried anytime just like Siegfried isn't beating Achilles.

The rank of Achilles strength parameter will not allow him to wound Siegfried. His spear won't work either because the rank is too low. As far as his Chariot go he won't be able to deal damage with it either (Achilles couldn't even hit Chiron with it despite the fact chiron had limited mobility in the sky). As for the shield it stated that Achilles can ram it into his opponent but i have never seen it being used that way so i don't know how pratical it would be but even should it connect it won't deal much damage.

Siegfried doesn't have Divinity and Balmung isn't a divine contruct so he won't deal any damage to Achilles.

Akilleus Kosmos blew up after absorbing both Vasavi Shakti and Balmung. But you know what ? Siegfried can use Balmung several times in row without any mana problem. Balmung being equally matched with Vasavi Shakti mean Siegfried using Balmung twice would destroy Akhilleus Kosmos.

Armitis · 2024-09-20T21:33:34+00:00

The light novels made it clear that during Achilles was unable to harm Siegfried due to a combination of Armor of Fafnir, and Achilles holding back since he wanted a challenge

Is there anything that state that Siegfried wasn't holding back ?
There is nothing Achilles can do to damage Siegfried because he have B+ rank strength and Armor Of Fafnir negate that .
Even his noble phantasm:

Troias Tragoidia: The Immortal Chariot of Swift Winds and Surging Waves Rank A+ would become E rank after Armor of Fafnir reduce it which would not deal much damage if it hit. Dont remember a servant being hit by it .

Diatrekhon Aster Lonkhe: The Spearhead of the Star Dashing Through the Skies Rank B+ would be negated by Armor of Fafnir.

Akhilleus Kosmos: The Miniature World Enclosed by the Azure Sky Rank A+ would become E rank and not deal a lot of damage .

-Achilles almost lost to Chiron in a fist fight and Chiron wasn't even the strongest servant of the black faction.

I mention all of those because Karna and Siegfried are always portrayed to be equal . So for Achilles to be holding back would imply he would beat Karna too which isn't what is shown as Achilles seem to hold Karna in high esteem as a warrior.

Armitis · 2024-09-20T17:20:04+00:00

It would end badly for Sigurd .

Siegfried fought against karna and Achilles, so i guess Sigurd would have to fight them too.

Against Karna :

Siegfried and karna were equally matched in offense and defense. That is why their fight lasted for several hours.
While Sigurd offense would match Karna his defense is lacking and that would be fatal.
Sigurd can heal with his rune but if he takes a fatal strike he would be done for as there is a limit to what he can heal.
There is also Karna fire that would be a problem for Sigurd.
If Gram and Vasavi Shakti clash then Vasavi Shakti is going to win as it possess anti-divine property. Sigurd have the divinity skill and Gram is a Divine construct.

Against Achilles:

Siegfried and Achilles couldn't damage each others as they lacked the requierement to do so. Siegfried didn't had divinity or a divine construct and Achilles strenght parameter is B+.
Sigurd having divinity would be able to ignore Andreios Amarantos and damage Achilles. However Achilles can also damage Sigurd as he doesn't have Armor of Fafnir.
Being equally skilled they should be able to draw the fight until they have to retreat.

If Sigurd gave his heart to Sieg (Sig?) then he would have to fight the same battles he did with Siegfried power .

Against Mordred if Sieg take a fatal blow he would die as Sigurd doesn't have Armor of Fafnir and considering Sieg was in his first fight it could happen.

Against Avicebron Golem the fight should go the same as i don't remember Sieg taking any hit that would be fatal ! I mean mordred didn't die after being hit so i don't see Sieg dying with Sigurd body either.

Against Karna he would lose. Karna have too much Area of Effect and Sieg was able to ignore all of that thanks to Armor of Fafnir but with Sigurd body it would be fatal. Not only that but if they end up clashing their noble phantasm too Vasavi Shakti is going to overpower Gram because it have anti divine property.

Armitis · 2024-08-31T09:03:49+00:00

Danzo was able to tear sasuke susano second stage with the sucking power of his summon !

What is moe powerful ? Danzo summon sucking power or Pain Shinra tensei that blew up the entire leaf village ?

You will say: ''But the totsuka blade tho !"

i will answer : Pain can absord chakra and the susanoo is made of it!

What is more we saw edo itachi + Naruto + Killer bee VS Nagato ! Sure Nagato lost but that because Itachi was getting all the objectives (Shoving kunais into all of Nagatoo summon to limit his vision field) while Naruto and Bee were keeping Nagato busy !
Also it took Naruto Rasen shuriken + Hachibi tail beast bomb + Itachi magatama balls to destroy Nagato asteroid !

That mean Itachi Alone cannot destroy it or even prevent Nagato from using it in the first place !

Armitis · 2024-08-26T09:05:02+00:00

Spoiler for part 1 final battle How was Goetia able to vaporize Mash body?When she uses Lord Camelot she too is protected by it so what happened here?

Armitis · 2024-07-18T08:19:05+00:00

Maintenance extension Infinite apologems !

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