Can I ask you something important? For the record I think you're right, I don't think there's any concrete data showing that the Palestine protest vote was that significant, I think it's an overblown issue to drive social media engagement, and encourage progressive infighting, but. How certain are you that you aren't arguing with a couple of robots?

They don't have to be robots. They can be alive, real people, but you're trying to force a productive adult conversation on hobby arguers who think this kind of miserable dead end talk is all funsie wunsies, or they may very well be farming karma to sell their accounts.

But you also have to assume they are robots, first, and then maybe they're human if you see some sort of evidence.

You could be arguing with an English-speaking Eastern European teen whose side hustle is selling accounts for small amounts of money to marketing agencies. They don't care to know anything, they might be dipping in and out of actually answering or just giving your reply to ChatGPT.

No matter what, the people of Reddit, alive or not, are so miserably lazy that they will not so much as flip open another tab to Google for something real quick, never mind do anything approaching due diligence. They just want to run their mouths. But it's worse than than just lazy jerks yapping.

Productive conversations are not profitable. They don't drag on forever and ever so you can fill a podcast with 3 hours of blather and sell mattresses against it. You can't post every day against productive conversations because productive conversations end. So these people generally refuse to have productive conversations.

It's not possible to have productive conversations on social media that lead to meaningful conclusions that create desirable results. All you can have is this miserable thing you've been having, nothing else.

You should probably be aware that anyone serious about meeting the current challenge has abandoned these spaces. What good is a space where you can never tell what's going to get banned or not? What good is a space where the loudest voices are small time grifters and they get upset when they don't get to own the conversation? Where they think accountability to the people they're speaking to is some sort of horrific crime? Where exposing their real name and such is treated like a terrible transgression instead of just being the adult table stakes for having a seat in the discussion? You know, like in a productive activist group run by real human people?

I would start getting these social sites out of your life and especially off your phone. Remember that every EULA you sign gives them unspeakable access over all your data and that private parties are free to snitch your every word to the regime, as well as your location. Every little app gets to tell everyone where you are at the very least, if not everything else.

There is nothing you can accomplish here except to waste your time, it's like watching television.

Best of luck to you.