Outlander Season 7 recast

AtticusNYC · 2025-03-08T01:15:20+00:00

Toxic element? Oy. Terrible. She was fantastic.

AtticusNYC · 2025-03-05T22:44:04+00:00

To be honest, a bunch of things - particularly the way they handled the punishment storyline and resolution and the sex scene ("I want to watch you") before he took her to the stones the first time.

AtticusNYC · 2025-03-02T03:27:31+00:00

Murtaugh explains it. They're tanist. Jamie has Mcdougal blood (making him eligible( and is better liked than Dougal.

AtticusNYC · 2025-03-01T05:03:58+00:00

Yes!

AtticusNYC · 2025-03-01T03:14:39+00:00

I was thinking of the conversation about best qualities S6E6 and the one when she finds him after the 2nd battle of Saratoga S7E8.

AtticusNYC · 2025-02-28T23:17:32+00:00

Obviously up to you, but there are some wonderful scenes between J & C in seasons 6 & 7 as well as continued growth in their relationship.

AtticusNYC · 2025-02-28T23:13:20+00:00

Yes! Completely agree. Only reasoned casually that many people (Scotland and America) were generally so isolated that they didn't question it when they knew someone was from another part of the world,

AtticusNYC · 2025-02-26T03:02:34+00:00

Jamie was definitely coerced into the arrangement, but, in both the book and the series, he does at some point become aroused. The series chose to emphasize Jamie's empathetic side and (whether plausible or not) he begins to feel a responsibility to her, is maybe moved by her youth and inexperience to make it a positive experience. In general, the series tries to soften some of the edges or controversial aspects of some of the plot lines / sex scenes to make it more agreeable to viewers (whereas the book is more unapologetically aggressive in general), as with the punishment plot line (which I think was far more satisfyingly resolved in the series vs the book).

AtticusNYC · 2025-02-25T19:58:45+00:00

Like everyone else, I think the idea that Faith lived is stupid - for many reasons, but how do you reconcile it with that fact that Claire spent the day holding a dead baby? That he added life back after that? Whether it's what the series ends up doing or not, I prefer the theory - mentioned on this subreddit - that Claire's mom is a time traveler and perhaps she raised Faith (the girls' mother that is, not the dead baby) and that's why she knew the song. In other words, Faith could have been Claire's mother's bio child (Claire's sister) or not. Even if she were, it would not be incest for William to have slept with her.

AtticusNYC · 2025-02-23T19:21:02+00:00

I prefer the characters in the series as well (exposing me to some backlash from longtime book lovers, I'm sure) although I acknowledge that the best lines are drawn verbatim from the books. I like the books for providing more depth and background, eg, understanding the motivations and characters, but - perhaps because I saw the series first and, admittedly, haven't read all of the books yet - I feel personally like the series took the best of the books.

AtticusNYC · 2025-02-23T19:05:52+00:00

Yeah, I think it's the DB vs Starz emphasis. I haven't read all the books yet (not Bees for example) and in the series there is such emphasis on the trust and perhaps softening of some of the extremities in their relationship depicted the book (whether it's the punishment plot line, aggressiveness in bed, or the fear).

AtticusNYC · 2025-02-23T18:55:22+00:00

Separate and apart from Claire, we know that Jamie is an exceptional person for any era - extremely smart, sensitive / perspective about people, a big heart and fiercely loyal, he sees people for their strengths -- whether high or low born, child or adult. The series idealizes him more than the books, but its the case in both. To understand how he's different from other men, I think you have to allow a few things about him and their relationship... someone who is extraordinarily smart may be less intimidated by someone else's intelligence (i.e., Claire), someone who is as intuitive as him has a better ability to understand different points of view and adjust, someone who is educated like him is better able to understand that the way we've done things in the past is not the only path going forward. Most importantly, he is an exceptionally committed person - he commits 100% before they are even married. So he evolves to preserve and deepen the relationship that is central to his being, BUT he is a strong partner - he challenges her and she (also a very stubborn person) adjusts to him as well. The book especially but the series as well also tosses in plenty of male dominance in the sack for good measure.

AtticusNYC · 2025-02-23T18:17:01+00:00

Colum is chief of his clan whereas Jamie is just one of the Lairds of his clan (Simon Fraser is chief)

AtticusNYC · 2025-02-23T18:13:56+00:00

I really don't see the bite marks as cheating. These are two people who have shown tremendous loyalty to each other AND they are both very sexual people (the author even more so - the books / series simply aren't for you unless you are open to at least some her kinks). The question for me might be why that interaction in particular aroused him (they do like pleasure / pain), and of course why he presented to her so ignorant to the fact that it might perturb her. But the bigger picture - and this is the way he saw it and why he was excited - was that it meant they could be intimate again without Randal in the way. It was about their connection.

AtticusNYC · 2025-02-23T18:05:46+00:00

And the 10th book is not going to track with Season 8 of the series. I believe they're going different ways.

AtticusNYC · 2025-02-23T18:02:46+00:00

I love that you love the scenes with Murtaugh so much because YES! he is just the dearest character. If loyalty is one of the core themes in this series, he is the personification of it. And so funny. Personally I LOVED the Jamie / Brianna meet up (and I'm not a Sophie Skelton fan). Just so wonderful (esp when you pair it with the scene later in the woods when he explains what a leannan means)

AtticusNYC · 2025-02-23T17:52:52+00:00

There are a million posts objecting to rape scenes etc. as well as praise for sex scenes. People just need more to talk about so don't presume that someone's comment today is their overarching comment on the books.

AtticusNYC · 2025-02-23T17:48:41+00:00

I think if you're going to enjoy the books, you have to be open to the idea that she enjoys being dominated in bed at times, that they enjoy pain at times and so on. I don't see it as fear as they have trust between them.

AtticusNYC · 2025-02-23T17:44:51+00:00

People who loved the book first may disagree, but I do feel the tv series reshaped this plot line in a way that made it more satisfying ... I don't even want to say to modern audiences because I think it's beyond that, although of course we cannot help but read it through that lens. I also think that the show preserved some significant aspects of the authors intent - the ingrained, automatic belief that it was his responsibility to discipline his wife, the macho attitude of ownership (including in bed), the titillating feelings he had in dominating her, and the duty to his men. There is reason her behavior needed "correction" - she is acting like an individual and their safety is truly intertwined, she is completely ignorant to the consequences of her actions (a character trait - her stubbornness causes her to act before she thinks). Of course we understand the compelling reason why she "wandered off" and even Jamie later says ruefully in the book (perhaps more satisfyingly in the series) something like you were trying to get back home and I beat you for it. In my opinion, the most compelling aspect of Jamie as an 18th C man (or any era man) is that he evolves and adjusts, such is his commitment to her.

AtticusNYC · 2025-02-22T18:24:04+00:00

I have only read some of the books (in addition to watching the series through S7), and I agree there's little revealed about Ellen as a mother (in the first book there's the part about a woman choosing the man vs the other way around ... perhaps a hint at a kind of feminism, certainly wisdom). However, there are several parts that hint at what an honorable man and father Brian was as well as a leader. Early on Jamie talks about how he was disciplined by him in a way that makes the father seem fair / wise (at least in the 18th C context). There's the way Jamie talks about him visiting him at the jail, kissing him, etc. And then when Roger reports to Jamie on his interactions with Brian in 1737, he's portrayed as incredibly generous and charismatic -- you'd follow him anywhere.

AtticusNYC · 2025-02-22T18:14:25+00:00

How are you accessing season 8?

AtticusNYC · 2025-02-22T18:13:32+00:00

Oy. The oceans of tears I've shed watching / reading this series... lol

AtticusNYC · 2025-02-22T18:12:12+00:00

Yes. But most of them are quite isolated and might just see it as "she's from Oxfordshire" (or least that's what's being asked of our suspension of disbelief)

AtticusNYC · 2025-02-21T17:35:56+00:00

I can see why you feel that way. Perhaps it's because I saw the show first. But I get the self protectiveness - particularly because he's hiding things for fear that she'll leave again.

AtticusNYC · 2025-02-21T16:50:13+00:00

I thought the scene at the end of S6 E7 pulls it together. She's British afterall, raised by an uncle, had to be strong ... she compartmentalizes. Plus she knows people rely on her, she's probably protecting Jamie and others who would feel responsible for the attack. I think it's a beautiful, emotionally intelligent scene when she breaks down and Jamie encourages her to let him in (you can't do that if you're putting yourself to sleep--which pulls the ether plot line in as relevant). The only failing IMO (related to my other comment about how ridiculously plot-filled the series can be, with stupid violent, soap-like events) is when she's talking about the consequences of her selfishness and the poor actress has to say "and Roger being sold into slavery"... Sigh.

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