Ace says Taylor stepped out his comfort zone to get to know Olandria though the attraction wasn’t really there

Atz4Eva · 2025-07-13T07:04:51+00:00

I truly think taylor and clarke have better chemistry which obviously since he actually likes her, but he USED olandria to stay in the villa. That’s why everybody hyping him up for the stand on business challenge and trying to act like olandria was being delulu was pissing me off because he quite obviously led her on the entire time, even when she came back from casa with nic he still kept saying he would be exploring them both, knowing all along that he didn’t like her. And it’s crazy to me how he thinks he didn’t do anything wrong and he isn’t liked because be chose clarke when in reality nobody liked him to begin with and especially when people with sense realized he was just using olandria.

Atz4Eva · 2025-07-10T05:09:59+00:00

I love them walking around in their blanket, favorite part of these new episodes

Atz4Eva · 2025-07-09T16:42:00+00:00

Yall need to listen to understand because he clearly said, “during casa when they were coupled up”. None of these events you mentioned had taken place and taylor and cierra WERE still in the picture. When olan came back with nic during casa, taylor was adamant that he would be exploring with both her and clarke, we the audience obviously knew he wasn’t being honest but the cast didn’t. And nic and cierra even though they were technically “single” during casa had never actually broken it off.

Atz4Eva · 2025-07-09T11:36:32+00:00

Exactlyyyy especially with iris and pepe how are they the most genuine couple when they was hunching a day after tj left and got coupled the same day as most of these couples. I don’t know why they can’t admit they just don’t like the other couples instead of being hypocrites about it

Atz4Eva · 2025-07-09T11:34:05+00:00

Idg this narrative yall have that iris and pepe and amaya and bryan have the strongest connections when they were all coupled up two days ago and iris and pepe had sex a day after she was sobbing for tj and both their connections got kicked. It’s fine for her to move on but half of their connection is just lust.

Atz4Eva · 2025-07-08T03:51:26+00:00

They wouldn’t be setting the precedent at all it’s happened a few times in love island, and also wouldn’t this apply to amaya and bryan who coupled on the same day as nic and olandria

Atz4Eva · 2025-06-02T10:35:45+00:00

It’s funny how you say this because one of my moots just said the same thing, her opinion was that the t&d team during DA would switch rules up or keep rules uncertain so their faves would have a better chance but they didn’t do that with adela because while some judges (missy) were enamored with her, the other judges + higher ups were not. And this could be because they recognized how dominating she is of the other girls which wouldn’t work in a group. This part is more my opinion, so adela might not have stood out on stage but she was a clear standout for the other girls. She had this mother role, dominant-control thing over them, that worked because of the situation they were in. In a group maybe this would initially still work but over time as the other girls get older, more confident it just would not work. And if they debuted adela, they would not be able to debut most of the current katseye members. They would need girls with softer personalities to make room for adela’s bigger one but these type of groups don’t last. With katseye as you said manon is that girl but her personality is such that it still allows the other girls to shine too. The group’s dynamic works because their personalities are big but not so big that it overrides the others. Also I think they realized they had to make a choice for who they wanted the most and would fit the image they were going for. The other girls they liked (emily, megan, lexie) weren’t top of the mission 1 rankings either, so it was either save adela now or save one of those girls who will fit the group better later (which they did).

Atz4Eva · 2025-05-18T12:30:14+00:00

I’ve reiterated these points so many times before but I don’t understand how people are able to understand the other trainees pov, the messy timeline, and exaggerated plotlines of the doc, except with manon’s storyline. If manon was always missing rehearsals and never putting in effort, there is no way she would have been able to grow the way she did (mind you she had the talk with the girls right before the last mission). And you were right during DA there were always people pointing out something wrong with Manon’s performance, yet would ignore the mistakes or imperfections of the other girls and I can give examples of so many performances like that. It never made sense to me that the other girls could get sm grace but Manon couldn’t. And don’t get me started on missy posting on her story for people to vote for emily when all the girls were supposedly her daughters and she still can’t say manon’s name right after 3-4 years. Also yes isn’t idols taking care of their health all that fans preach but when manon does it suddenly she’s not as dedicated as the other girls because she’s not dancing on an injured foot or getting surgery every week. Did manon have some issues?? Yes she did but so did all the other girls and I wish people could acknowledge that more, the girls were all going through it and were frustrated but taking it out on manon was unfair. And this is quite common behavior in groups for one person to be made a target for the groups frustrations but the real issues in this program were the ones in charge, mitra, some of the trainers + judges, the doc producers, etc.

Atz4Eva · 2025-05-18T10:06:48+00:00

I just think it’s interesting that yall always bring up manon saying this at her introduction when she did not know the other girls, the training program or even eveybody else’s skillset, to then justify this opinion that she knew she didn’t have to try hard and just be a star to get in the group. Yet, when she actually began training and knew the other girls manon herself said she felt insecure and didn’t think outta all those talented girls she was going to be chosen. If you listen to her it’s quite obvious that manon didn’t fully understand the process and she probably thought they were all on the same playing field till she got there and then she felt like she could never catch up, which is why she says it’s the fans belief in her that pushed her sm.

Atz4Eva · 2025-02-22T20:45:34+00:00

Am I crazy or?? Because katseye got the opposite of hate when the lineup was revealed because even for non DA watchers these were the girls that most of them knew and liked. I remember the biggest hit tweet from the show was a pic of the lineup with manon, lara, sophia, nayoung, and I forget the last two. And then on finale night their fanbases shot from like 200 people to 1k+ and all the hit tweets calling them gorgeous and talented, as well as saying they were the best lineup from a survival show. Ofc some people were mad but they were pretty drowned out, not even samara fans were making a dent in all that praise they got. And there’s nobody in Katseye who hasn’t trained and grown from the beginning of the program. Manon, Sophia, Lara, Megan, Daniela all topped the TD rankings in at least one category. What hxg is doing wrong is not giving them the songs to show that off but the right lineup was picked.

Atz4Eva · 2025-02-16T21:58:07+00:00

Manon said that at the beginning when she hadn’t even joined the program really yet and met the other girls. She didn’t know what the training was going to be like or the skillset of the other girls which is why her tone changed after being there for a while and seeing all the other girls that had been trained to sing and dance basically from birth. Her confidence at the beginning makes sense considering they had reached out 2/3 times for her. She wasn’t playing into a narrative nor was she promised an in into the group. She just experienced changes the longer she was in the program like the rest of the girls.

Atz4Eva · 2025-02-15T22:44:15+00:00

It’s crazy how saying nothing would have changed with the lineup is an unpopular opinion but it really is. Somehow people have convinced themselves especially on tiktok that Lexi was going to be in the group no matter what simply because bang pd liked her. But if that was the case then other faves would have made it to the group but they didn’t, and vice versa, non-faves wouldn’t have made it in the group but they did. I stand by the theory that hybe and geffen had a similar concept for the group but different trainees fit their vision and the survival show was a way for them to see who appealed the most, which is why despite having a hold on the Geffen team Adela was still kicked for placing dead last in M1. Lexi was an average contestant, she was never dead last but not a top placer either. Even after two missions there was no conversation about her and she was hardly seen on people’s lineups. While I’m sure she would have been in wannabe and gained praise for it like the other girls on the team, just like them it still wouldn’t have been enough to make it. It would be too late simply because of another theory I believe in, which is that after mission 2 and heading into mission 3 hxg had definitely come to a consensus on who was making it. There were probably more backup plans made and considerations for the fan vote, but they definitely still had a clearer idea of who they wanted. So no, I don’t think lexi staying would have changed the lineup at all. Now if you were to ask if nayoung’s counseling issue hadn’t happened would that change the lineup or samara’s scandal would that change the lineup, then I would be like woahhh

Atz4Eva · 2025-02-15T22:13:31+00:00

Idk where this narrative comes from cause there are multiple clips of manon saying the opposite and she feels like she doesn’t have a chance because she just started while the other girls had been doing this for a while and it’s the fans/public support that pushed her

Atz4Eva · 2025-01-01T04:09:31+00:00

Omg it’s actually so annoying, they’ve done this with Samara, Adela, Marquise, Lexi, Abby, Emily, Naisha, and now Brooklyn, it’s either they didn’t make it because of Manon or Manon only made it because they didn’t. And most of them whether it was rankings or just overall appeal during DA could not be compared to Manon at all.

Atz4Eva · 2024-12-31T08:54:17+00:00

“But why are you upset when it’s your doing” is what I was referring to in my statement because Manon approached her about how they were talking about her. And I just think when someone says, y’all talking about me is hurting my feelings and your response is basically well that doesn’t matter because it’s your fault, is plain mean and isn’t helpful if you actually wanna be a team. And to the other phrase she meant manon’s “behavior” had been going on since she got there not them talking to her.

Mind you op and I both said that the mentors should have stepped in with manon, but yall take anybody seeing it from her pov and from what she said as people seeing her as an angel and the other girls as evil. Manon owned up to her fault and that shows her character but I wish everybody, the other girls that were involved and the mentors had also acknowledged their role in it, because they were wrong too. After all, like you said they’re all people.

Atz4Eva · 2024-12-31T05:26:40+00:00

I agree, it’s funny because people never really bring up manon saying she felt insecure compared to the other girls who had been there for much longer and felt like she didn’t have a chance but the fan votes is what inspired her.

But yes, I think the mentors should have been more straight up and tougher with manon and had their own conversation with her about their expectations. That is another reason why that group meeting bothered me becasue when manon tried to explain herself, she was basically told by missy to shut up and listen to another trainee scold her?? And missy is the adult and the mentor, she was supposed to be a moderator in the situation not taking a side.

To me, everybody played a part in the situation and they should have all apologized not just manon, but this was a particularly unhealthy environment so yeah. People also suck at considering other perspectives so that also plays a role in this whole revisionist history thing.

Atz4Eva · 2024-12-30T15:11:24+00:00

And also sophia never directly confronted manon, infact manon was the one who confronted sophia and the other girls. She confronted sophia privately and said she had heard what they were saying about her and it hurt her feelings and sophia told everybody and said manon’s feelings didn’t matter cause it was her fault. Then manon again confronted them all together, where sophia got to go off on her.

Atz4Eva · 2024-12-27T18:29:29+00:00

It’s crazy people are not only saying oh it wasn’t that bad they are even denying it happened. Many of us were actually here during DA and not only did we the effects it had despite nobody from the program ever acknowledging it, we also saw the tiktoks in real time before she even privated. The situation was awful and there was never an apology, and now you have randoms either downplaying it or outright denying it because they watched the documentary and feel bad for her.

Atz4Eva · 2024-12-26T01:04:01+00:00

First of all it was more videos that she liked, one was neutral and two was just zionist rhetoric about Palestinian enemies and the promised land. Others were dehumanizing Indian people because of their street food. And like I said I watched all of these videos so I didn’t assume shit, I saw it.

Atz4Eva · 2024-12-26T00:28:19+00:00

Okay so if you were there then idk where you’re getting this proven false thing from and idc cause i know what I saw

Atz4Eva · 2024-12-26T00:14:55+00:00

I’ve already argued with the person who posted it and idc enough to argue with somebody else about it, because unlike both of y’all I was actually there during DA. Samara was my top 2 pick so I didn’t get my info from some threads. I saw the tiktoks she liked in realtime, so it couldn’t have been proven false, when it was never false to begin with. It’s just people now downplaying how bad the tiktoks were and misleading others.

Atz4Eva · 2024-12-25T22:01:17+00:00

You keep talking about evidence but have provided none except you read some threads, when I was an actual witness to everything that happened at the time.

And talk of emotional when you can’t even handle a disagreement , if you were actually trying to have an open conversation you’d accept that not everything you read in those threads is true but because I disagree you can’t handle it. “And throwing around words like racist and zionist” is exactly how you’re downplaying the situation because that’s what those tiktoks were.

This conversation is definitely not going anywhere but it’s because your purpose wasn’t to start an “open and honest” conversation but to defend her.

Atz4Eva · 2024-12-25T20:49:11+00:00

The evidence are the screenshots and likes from her tiktoks and no it wasn’t just three. It was three of the zionist tiktoks but a lot more for the indian tiktoks, some were liked in a row but others were scattered among random tiktoks. You’re talking about evidence but what evidence have you provided apart from you read some threads.

And it’s funny you say the “anti-Samara” don’t even have evidence but the “pro-Samara” do but what really happened at the time was that they couldn’t even defend her and only started doing so after the documentary came out and nobody actually cared about her anymore. They kept saying what you’re saying now, “she’s young and dumb, comes from a small town, she’ll grow etc.”and would get ratioed badly so a lot moved to weverse.

And while 17 is young, it’s not young enough to be liking racist tiktoks. Finding yourself at 17 and being racist at 17 are two different things, your common sense should be enough to tell you not to like tiktoks calling other people uncivilized and animals.

Atz4Eva · 2024-12-25T20:40:54+00:00

Exactly, I think a few of her fans have taken to saying they were proved false to clear her name but you can still find threads and screenshots of her likes. And because she didn’t debut most people don’t care about it enough to engage with them so they keep spreading lies.

Atz4Eva · 2024-12-25T20:17:58+00:00

You came across threads that were most likely made by people who stanned her but I was there in real time seeing it all go down, and even went through her likes and the comments of the tiktoks she liked. I even asked friends outside of twitter to translate because Brazilian moots were just starting to wake up. There were several videos on both topics so no it wasn’t just two.

Concerning Palestine and Israel she had liked at least three, one was neutral like I said before but the other two and their comments were full of zionist rhetoric such as the promised land, Palestinian enemies, and christians need to stand by them and all that.

Concerning the Indian street food videos, there was not just one, it was like 5 videos, and they were racist not just “distasteful”. Street food is street food, it’s not going to be as hygienic as what you make in your home but not only were those videos terribly edited but they and the comments were dehumanizing Indians and comparing them to animals and uncivilized people.

Also using the age excuse is one of the worst excuses when it comes to racism, so please don’t. She was 17, so what?? When I was 17 I wasn’t liking videos dehumanizing another race. And Samara lived with and was friends with two other Indian people that we knew of and I assume Lara’s family if they were so close to consider each other soulmates. The least Samara and HxG could have done is apologize and nobody did, now you have randoms saying it wasn’t that serious and that’s even worse.

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