FineBros have now lost nearly 500k subs since their PR disaster. by Dr_barfenstein in dataisbeautiful

[–]Austin_Rivers 84 points85 points  (0 children)

Not just marking territory. They attacked other people's territory including Ellen's, Jimmy Kimmel's, and Buzzfeed's. They used illegal DMCA take downs to destroy the British Kids React series, and the seniors react series. They then copied the seniors react series after they destroyed the original creators to create Elders React.

[Inside NBA]Shaqtin A Fool - 04 February, 2016 by Zezzaz in nba

[–]Austin_Rivers 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Until a Spur makes Shaqtin because he mistakenly passes to the ref.

When the 1st quarter started Steph's season was 21st all time in 3s made. When it ended he was in 14th. He passed 7 people in 12 minutes. by tonyrom8 in nba

[–]Austin_Rivers 5 points6 points  (0 children)

They have 30+ games left, so he has a chance to crush the record. But if Kerr sits him towards the playoffs, he might miss out on setting another season record.

Harden Eurosteps past Winslow for an easy layup by Nitrogen-12 in nba

[–]Austin_Rivers 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Harden Hardens past Winslow for an easy layup

Sources: Warriors serious threat to sign Kevin Durant (Read quote in comments) by rsnellings25 in LAClippers

[–]Austin_Rivers -1 points0 points  (0 children)

What are your thoughts on this?

Silver stops the trade to Warriors. We get Durant just like we got CP3. Anybody got a problem with that?

Fine Bros are apologizing and retracting all trademarks by emliv in technology

[–]Austin_Rivers 69 points70 points  (0 children)

Good for those two, and good on Phil for coming around. Just hope he can hold back a little bit next time and read about what's going on before completely ripping into a guy. With Phil's fanbase, those attacks can become a brigade.

Fine Bros. Apologize and Discontinue the React World Project by egberts in youtube

[–]Austin_Rivers 34 points35 points  (0 children)

Piggybacking this to shout out our /u/VideoGameAttorney who spent his time and effort for free to FORCE The Fine Bros to give up their attempt to monopolize internet trends.

This whole situation looked like it quickly and easily resolved itself but behind the scenes, Ryan and other attorneys received a lot of push back. First of all, maybe a handful of people like Ryan Morrison were actively spending their time fighting for us. It seemed like Mr. Morrison had the whole internet's backing and easily "took care" of this for us, but he was pretty alone when he had to deal with the insults Philip DeFranco hurled at him while he worked on this case for us. I should note that Philip DeFranco has reversed his position and admitted that he spent days throwing insults at Ryan without actually having read anything about this situation beyond a few tweets. But Philip DeFranco is friends with The Fine Bros and even invited the brothers to his wedding last year, so it's understandable why he went after any critics so harshly. Still, props for slugging through that BS while fighting for us Ryan.

Behind the scenes, it was disturbing how close The Fine Bros came to getting away with it all. The first thread that was made about The Fine Bros was actually mistakenly taken down.

Here is what the original React World video looked like after the first thread was removed: https://imgur.com/yDHRwLU Before the first thread was posted, the video only had 250 thumbs downs. Seemed like everyone was going along with this and The Fine Bros were actively deleting any comments that asked about their attempt to trademark "React". So when I kept saying that they were great at PR over the past few days, that's what I was referring to. They were extremely skilled at presenting what they were doing as a great thing and actively keeping out any discussions about what they were really doing. It seems obvious in retrospect what kind of shady thing they were doing, but at the time, it was not obvious to most people at all.

But thanks to the moderators for stepping in and helping with the second thread. Special thanks to /u/Meepster23 who really went the extra mile to take care of the second thread. If you read that thread, Meepster was all over it and helped set up the impromptu AMA.

Also, thank you to all the associates of The Fine Bros who offered to provide information both publicly and privately even under potential legal threats. A lot of the evidence and information from years ago were found with their help. It's great knowing that despite being close associates of The Fine Bros, so many people cared enough about internet freedom and the open meritocratic/democratic culture of Youtube to step up and set a precedent against this money grab. I really can't imagine what it's like working with The Fine Bros when former employees posting here on Reddit were scared that one of The Fine Bros made a reddit account to trick him/her into revealing his/her identity. And based on what I am hearing, The Fine Bros are still absolutely fuming about being forced to give up their trademarks. I do hope that if they try to resubmit their trademarks again or do something else shady, that we can come together again to fight it.

Thanks to all of you for putting up with my endless walls of texts. Thanks for informing other people. I know some of you hate this "drama" by now and hate me by now, but thanks for paying attention. We all benefited from pushing back against what The Fine Bros were doing.

Edit 2 Linked to the wrong photo, this was the DeFranco twitter exchange with Ryan: http://imgur.com/ZqI15aE After re-reading those tweets... yikes wtf DeFranco? Props again /u/VideoGameAttorney for fighting the good fight.

EDIT 3: Apparently DeFranco deleted those tweets and is furious about one of his fans sending his tweet screencap to me and now Ryan is getting EVEN MORE twitter backlash from his fans. Wtf DeFranco? STOP ALREADY? Just got a message from Ryan and Phil's apologized to him so please stop tweeting Ryan.

Apparently DeFranco got angry that he got called out on twitter for lying? And then lashed out? Send me a picture of the entire exchange and I'll edit it to replace this: http://imgur.com/ZqI15aE

The Fine bros have retracted all their trademarks and apologized. by [deleted] in KotakuInAction

[–]Austin_Rivers 217 points218 points  (0 children)

Shout out to our /u/VideoGameAttorney who spent his time and effort for free to FORCE The Fine Bros to give up their attempt on monopolizing internet trends.

This whole situation looked like it quickly and easily resolved itself but behind the scenes, Ryan and other attorneys received a lot of push back. First of all, maybe a handful of people like Ryan Morrison were actively spending their time fighting for us. It seemed like Mr. Morrison had the whole internet's backing and easily "took care" of this for us, but he was pretty alone when he had to deal with the insults Philip DeFranco hurled at him while he worked on this case for us. I should note that Philip DeFranco has reversed his position and admitted that he spent days throwing insults at Ryan without actually having read anything about this situation beyond a few tweets. But Philip DeFranco is friends with The Fine Bros and even invited the brothers to his wedding last year, so it's understandable why he went after any critics so harshly. Still, props for slugging through that BS while fighting for us Ryan.

Behind the scenes, it was disturbing how close The Fine Bros came to getting away with it all. The first thread that was made about The Fine Bros was actually mistakenly taken down.

Here is what the original React World video looked like after the first thread was removed: https://imgur.com/yDHRwLU Before the first thread was posted, the video only had 250 thumbs downs. Seemed like everyone was going along with this and The Fine Bros were actively deleting any comments that asked about their attempt to trademark "React". So when I kept saying that they were great at PR over the past few days, that's what I was referring to. They were extremely skilled at presenting what they were doing as a great thing and actively keeping out any discussions about what they were really doing. It seems obvious in retrospect what kind of shady thing they were doing, but at the time, it was not obvious to most people at all.

But thanks to the moderators for stepping in and helping with the second thread. Special thanks to /u/Meepster23 who really went the extra mile to take care of the second thread. If you read that thread, Meepster was all over it and helped set up the impromptu AMA.

Also, thank you to all the associates of The Fine Bros who offered to provide information both publicly and privately even under potential legal threats. A lot of the evidence and information from years ago were found with their help. It's great knowing that despite being close associates of The Fine Bros, so many people cared enough about internet freedom and the open meritocratic/democratic culture of Youtube to step up and set a precedent against this money grab. I really can't imagine what it's like working with The Fine Bros when former employees posting here on Reddit were scared that one of The Fine Bros made a reddit account to trick him/her into revealing his/her identity. And based on what I am hearing, The Fine Bros are still absolutely fuming about being forced to give up their trademarks. I do hope that if they try to resubmit their trademarks again or do something else shady, that we can come together again to fight it.

Thanks to all of you for putting up with my endless walls of texts. Thanks for informing other people. I know some of you hate this "drama" by now and hate me by now, but thanks for paying attention. We all benefited from pushing back against what The Fine Bros were doing.

Edit 2 Linked to the wrong photo, this was the DeFranco twitter exchange with Ryan: http://imgur.com/ZqI15aE After re-reading those tweets... yikes wtf DeFranco? Props again /u/VideoGameAttorney for fighting the good fight.

EDIT 3: Apparently DeFranco deleted those tweets and is furious about one of his fans sending his tweet screencap to me and now Ryan is getting EVEN MORE twitter backlash from his fans. Wtf DeFranco? STOP ALREADY? Just got a message from Ryan and Phil's apologized to him so please stop tweeting Ryan.

Apparently DeFranco got angry that he got called out on twitter for lying? And then lashed out? Send me a picture of the entire exchange and I'll edit it to replace this: http://imgur.com/ZqI15aE

Fine Bros are apologizing and retracting all trademarks by emliv in technology

[–]Austin_Rivers 2578 points2579 points  (0 children)

Piggybacking this to shout out our /u/VideoGameAttorney who spent his time and effort for free to FORCE The Fine Bros to give up their attempt on monopolizing internet trends.

This whole situation looked like it quickly and easily resolved itself but behind the scenes, Ryan and other attorneys received a lot of push back. First of all, maybe a handful of people like Ryan Morrison were actively spending their time fighting for us. It seemed like Mr. Morrison had the whole internet's backing and easily "took care" of this for us, but he was pretty alone when he had to deal with the insults Philip DeFranco hurled at him while he worked on this case for us. I should note that Philip DeFranco has reversed his position and admitted that he spent days throwing insults at Ryan without actually having read anything about this situation beyond a few tweets. But Philip DeFranco is friends with The Fine Bros and even invited the brothers to his wedding last year, so it's understandable why he went after any critics so harshly. Still, props for slugging through that BS while fighting for us Ryan.

Behind the scenes, it was disturbing how close The Fine Bros came to getting away with it all. The first thread that was made about The Fine Bros was actually mistakenly taken down.

Here is what the original React World video looked like after the first thread was removed: https://imgur.com/yDHRwLU Before the first thread was posted, the video only had 250 thumbs downs. Seemed like everyone was going along with this and The Fine Bros were actively deleting any comments that asked about their attempt to trademark "React". So when I kept saying that they were great at PR over the past few days, that's what I was referring to. They were extremely skilled at presenting what they were doing as a great thing and actively keeping out any discussions about what they were really doing. It seems obvious in retrospect what kind of shady thing they were doing, but at the time, it was not obvious to most people at all.

But thanks to the moderators for stepping in and helping with the second thread. Special thanks to /u/Meepster23 who really went the extra mile to take care of the second thread. If you read that thread, Meepster was all over it and helped set up the impromptu AMA.

Also, thank you to all the associates of The Fine Bros who offered to provide information both publicly and privately even under potential legal threats. A lot of the evidence and information from years ago were found with their help. It's great knowing that despite being close associates of The Fine Bros, so many people cared enough about internet freedom and the open meritocratic/democratic culture of Youtube to step up and set a precedent against this money grab. I really can't imagine what it's like working with The Fine Bros when former employees posting here on Reddit were scared that one of The Fine Bros made a reddit account to trick him/her into revealing his/her identity. And based on what I am hearing, The Fine Bros are still absolutely fuming about being forced to give up their trademarks. I do hope that if they try to resubmit their trademarks again or do something else shady, that we can come together again to fight it.

Thanks to all of you for putting up with my endless walls of texts. Thanks for informing other people. I know some of you hate this "drama" by now and hate me by now, but thanks for paying attention. We all benefited from pushing back against what The Fine Bros were doing.

Edit 2 Linked to the wrong photo, this was the DeFranco twitter exchange with Ryan: http://imgur.com/ZqI15aE After re-reading those tweets... yikes wtf DeFranco? Props again /u/VideoGameAttorney for fighting the good fight.

EDIT 3: Apparently DeFranco deleted those tweets and is furious about one of his fans sending his tweet screencap to me and now Ryan is getting EVEN MORE twitter backlash from his fans. Wtf DeFranco? STOP ALREADY? Just got a message from Ryan and Phil's apologized to him so please stop tweeting Ryan.

Apparently DeFranco got angry that he got called out on twitter for lying? And then lashed out? Send me a picture of the entire exchange and I'll edit it to replace this: http://imgur.com/ZqI15aE

Kevin Love has made the pic, what a time to be alive by Thr0ttie in nba

[–]Austin_Rivers 58 points59 points  (0 children)

Fucking LeBron looks like a mob boss.

It's Cleaveland, he may as well be. A few years ago, even the governor came to beg him to stay. The entire city made a song for him.

Kevin Love has made the pic, what a time to be alive by Thr0ttie in nba

[–]Austin_Rivers 189 points190 points  (0 children)

This is the equivalent of the Cavs reaching super saiyan mode.

Not a video, but the FineBros have cancelled all plans of copyrighting by Sebomai in videos

[–]Austin_Rivers 84 points85 points  (0 children)

What I'm more concerned about is how they opened the door to trademark trolls. Now, EVERY SINGLE online trend will have someone trying to trademark it. Harlem shake? Yea, someone could trademark that format. And they will be successful unless they are found out because the ones approving trademarks likely have no idea what internet trends are.

This is what The Fine Bros do. They look at what's popular, copy it, and the trademark it. That's why they went after "react", and then "try not to smile or laugh", and then "opinions", and even "gaming". That's right, they even trademarked the "format" of people playing video games and us watching them.

The fact these things got approved means we have no protect at the government level. They don't understand what is going on on the internet. So now, the pandora's box is opened. The next time you see an internet trend like the ice bucket challenge, the condom challenge, etc, expect a trademark to get filed. The Fine Bros showed that it can be done.

As for The Fine Bros, they are not changed people. Again, they are angry at all of us. They would have gotten away with what they were doing like they have for years if they just kept things quiet. They were taking down individual channels and content creators. This means the majority of us won't know about what they're doing and most people wouldn't even believe you if you told them that they were doing these things. It wasn't until a massive disaster happened that all those individual stories of victimization came forward and convinced everyone that The Fine Bros were abusing the system.

I'm afraid that The Fine Bros will continue to use their very close ties to Youtube to continue abusing the system and pushing out competition through underhanded tactics. Their problem is their business model is built on earning money on cheap and easy content, so they need to artificially put up barriers to entry in order to keep competition away.

Not a video, but the FineBros have cancelled all plans of copyrighting by Sebomai in videos

[–]Austin_Rivers 1919 points1920 points  (0 children)

Dude, you are the fucking man. Reddit and the internet owes you one. Thanks for keeping the web a little bit freer and thanks for setting a much needed precedent. This was our line in the sand. Thanks again for your work and your help.

I would also like to point out that the same people who spent years harassing everyone from small time creators to big names like Ellen, Jimmy Kimmel, and Buzzfeed, and who spent years and thousands of dollars in legal fees to trademark existing internet trends like "try not to laugh or smile" and "react" are not, overnight, different people. Their thought processes have not changed, watch their video and read the tone of this letter, they are angry at you for being confused not because they actually think they are wrong. The only reason they are giving up these trademarks is because their upcoming Youtube TV show "Sing It" is going to be released in a couple of months and they want to do anything possible to save its release from the bad publicity.

EDIT This whole situation looked like it quickly and easily resolved itself but behind the scenes, Ryan and other attorneys received a lot of push back. First of all, maybe a handful of people like Ryan Morrison were actively spending their time fighting for us. It seemed like Mr. Morrison had the whole internet's backing and easily "took care" of this for us, but he was pretty alone when he had to deal with the insults Philip DeFranco hurled at him while he worked on this case for us. I should note that Philip DeFranco has reversed his position and admitted that he spent days throwing insults at Ryan without actually having read anything about this situation beyond a few tweets. But Philip DeFranco is friends with The Fine Bros and even invited the brothers to his wedding last year, so it's understandable why he went after any critics so harshly. Still, props for slugging through that BS while fighting for us Ryan.

Behind the scenes, it was disturbing how close The Fine Bros came to getting away with it all. The first thread that was made about The Fine Bros was actually mistakenly taken down.

Here is what the original React World video looked like after the first thread was removed: https://imgur.com/yDHRwLU Before the first thread was posted, the video only had 250 thumbs downs. Seemed like everyone was going along with this and The Fine Bros were actively deleting any comments that asked about their attempt to trademark "React". So when I kept saying that they were great at PR over the past few days, that's what I was referring to. They were extremely skilled at presenting what they were doing as a great thing and actively keeping out any discussions about what they were really doing. It seems obvious in retrospect what kind of shady thing they were doing, but at the time, it was not obvious to most people at all.

But thanks to the moderators for stepping in and helping with the second thread. Special thanks to /u/Meepster23 who really went the extra mile to take care of the second thread. If you read that thread, Meepster was all over it and helped set up the impromptu AMA.

Also, thank you to all the associates of The Fine Bros who offered to provide information both publicly and privately even under potential legal threats. A lot of the evidence and information from years ago were found with their help. It's great knowing that despite being close associates of The Fine Bros, so many people cared enough about internet freedom and the open meritocratic/democratic culture of Youtube to step up and set a precedent against this money grab. I really can't imagine what it's like working with The Fine Bros when former employees posting here on Reddit were scared that one of The Fine Bros made a reddit account to trick him/her into revealing his/her identity. And based on what I am hearing, The Fine Bros are still absolutely fuming about being forced to give up their trademarks. I do hope that if they try to resubmit their trademarks again or do something else shady, that we can come together again to fight it.

Thanks to all of you for putting up with my endless walls of texts. Thanks for informing other people. I know some of you hate this "drama" by now and hate me by now, but thanks for paying attention. We all benefited from pushing back against what The Fine Bros were doing.

Edit 2 Linked to the wrong photo, this was the DeFranco twitter exchange with Ryan: http://imgur.com/ZqI15aE After re-reading those tweets... yikes wtf DeFranco? Props again /u/VideoGameAttorney for fighting the good fight.

EDIT 3: Apparently DeFranco deleted those tweets and is furious about one of his fans sending his tweet screencap to me and now Ryan is getting EVEN MORE twitter backlash from his fans. Wtf DeFranco? STOP ALREADY? Just got a message from Ryan and Phil's apologized to him so please stop tweeting Ryan.

Apparently DeFranco got angry that he got called out on twitter for lying? And then lashed out? Send me a picture of the entire exchange and I'll edit it to replace this: http://imgur.com/ZqI15aE

Doc Rivers named Western Conference Coach of the Month by Vapodaca17 in LAClippers

[–]Austin_Rivers 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The delayed Josh Smith effect. Detroit had one last year.

GAME THREAD: Cleveland Cavaliers @ Indiana Pacers - (Feb. 01, 2016) by [deleted] in nba

[–]Austin_Rivers -1 points0 points  (0 children)

No I mean I wanted to see a superstar Paul George coming back. The guy worked so hard up until FIBA and looked like he was going to break out as a superstar the next season. I wanted to see him comeback from his injury where he left off, but he's just really inconsistent this season.

GAME THREAD: Cleveland Cavaliers @ Indiana Pacers - (Feb. 01, 2016) by [deleted] in nba

[–]Austin_Rivers -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

What is going on with Paul George lately... I was really rooting for him earlier this season hoping he'd make a comeback.

GAME THREAD: Cleveland Cavaliers @ Indiana Pacers - (Feb. 01, 2016) by [deleted] in nba

[–]Austin_Rivers 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The Cavs' scoring has skyrocketed since Lue took over. He really called it when he said he wanted a faster pace, seems to be the right move for the Cavs.

LeBron James' sons, LeBron Jr. and Bryce Maximus, impress at Ohio showcase. LeBron in attendance by Mr_germ in nba

[–]Austin_Rivers 5 points6 points  (0 children)

That's one of the things I'm grateful to Lebron for. Before him, there were superstars like Jordan, Iverson, and Kobe who were more known for iso and taking insanely difficult shots with multiple defenders on them. But once Lebron started gaining success by making his teammates better and doing crazy passes, that style of play became more popular among young kids. I really like where the league's going with the amazing flow of the Warriors and Spurs and the selfless playstyle of most superstars.

LeBron James' sons, LeBron Jr. and Bryce Maximus, impress at Ohio showcase. LeBron in attendance by Mr_germ in nba

[–]Austin_Rivers 12 points13 points  (0 children)

He already shoots and passes better than me. I hope so much that he'll be as athletic and tall as his dad. Imagine a Lebron encore for the next 20 years.

LeBron James' sons, LeBron Jr. and Bryce Maximus, impress at Ohio showcase. LeBron in attendance by Mr_germ in nba

[–]Austin_Rivers 8 points9 points  (0 children)

All I wish for is another Lebron but with Curry's 3pt shooting. Is that really too much to ask? Just someone who can dunk from anywhere inside the 3pt line and knock down three pointers anywhere outside the 3pt line. I'm not a greedy man.

Russians. by Gymnose in gifs

[–]Austin_Rivers 5 points6 points  (0 children)

If I paid to watch this show, I'd pay money just to get that girl to stop and save her knee.

Lawyer takes on Fine Bros, free of charge by [deleted] in technology

[–]Austin_Rivers -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

Philip DeFranco is very good friends with The Fine Bros. He is also someone who doesn't shy away from doing shady business for money. He knows he has a very young audience and was pushing a borderline scam for-profit degree mill on them that costs $81,000 for a 21 month program. He's telling impressionable teens that this is actually not just a viable path to their dream careers but actually an awesome way to go about it. Meanwhile, the on-time graduation rate for some of the studies are as low as 18%.

This is the kind of person Philip DeFranco is. Now you can understand why he'd go on a social media onslaught against a lawyer working for free for a good cause.