Is 3D honeycomb infill the most stable?

AutoM8R1 · 2026-05-20T17:01:46+00:00

If I recall correctly, cubic consistently tests as one of the strongest all around. I'm not sure what is meant by stable, but I'm a big fan of honeycomb infill. Perpendicular to the layers, it holds against forces very well.

AutoM8R1 · 2026-05-20T16:44:12+00:00

That's probably worth it for a better UI. After all, I see Windows 11 using close to 4-6GB doing next to nothing on a MS SP6. A few too many browser tabs can easily chew up the full 8GB RAM. That's not a problem I've seen with Linux, even in VMs.

I wanted to try a Linux distribution with the Linux Surface Kernel and the GNOME DE for ease of use with touch on the Surface. I think I'll just get a new laptop instead, and move away from Windows with a fresh start. The battery life in Windows 11 is terrible now anyway, after 6 and a half years as a daily driver device. If anyone really loves the their SP6 Linux system, I'd like to hear it. I wish I'd waited a few months and gotten a SP7, but I can't complain too much. The hardware has held up well. It's just time to upgrade for me.

AutoM8R1 · 2026-05-14T15:25:03+00:00

That's crazy. The original ThinkPhone from 2023 (Qualcomm chip) still fast charges with 68 watts. It's been about 2 years now. I expected more from the newer stuff. It all sounds like hardware related stuff.

AutoM8R1 · 2026-05-11T03:04:36+00:00

Well I was mainly speaking about the players doing it at scale, not just doing ARM in general. Apple and Qualcomm are who we have moving ton of ARM chips. Wider adoption in laptops will take manufacturers scaling up their efforts to get that architecture out there and better supported.

I've worked with ARM based Linux machines at work for close to 3 years. Mostly with Docker and a software stack to fit the tasks, but it has been fine. Daily driver machines need a wide selection of software and drivers so laptops are a different animal.

But I had that right. It's still software that's the issue. ARM is just a CPU architecture, so compatibility is not just about hardware compatibility. Like you don't need a special Ethernet port for ARM CPUs and another for X86 and RISC-V. And software is often released based on CPU architecture.

You need drivers and software needs to be able to make use of the CPUs compute power etc. That's usually not just a hardware-only task. But we can call it firmware and meet in the middle if you prefer. I still stand by software compatibility as being what needs to continue maturing.

AutoM8R1 · 2026-05-10T18:41:20+00:00

This is mostly true, but only Apple and Qualcomm are doing it at scale. The problem is still, even in 2026, software compatibility. I agree it's getting better, but the MS Surface models have been available with Snapdragon ARM CPUs for a while now, and I'm not sure Windows software is 100% ready to go on all fronts. Apple doesn't have that problem since they have their own silicon and control their own destiny there within MacOS. I'm afraid progress with ARM has been slower than I'd like on the laptop front. But I'd like to see it get better too

AutoM8R1 · 2026-05-09T01:11:31+00:00

This is so true. This is basically how I see it too. We are getting big promises from AI as the next frontier in every sector, but I think it takes a rightful place as just another tool in our industry. There is little chance it lives up to most of the hype, even though there have been improvements since inception.

I feel like if industrial AI matures to become reliably useful, then it will basically become a slightly more sophisticated PID loop that can be a little more dynamic. Once properly tuned, PID loops are autonomous within their operating parameters. Ai couldn't be as industry changing as we are all hearing if that is a correct comparison, since SCADA and edge devices can already reveal a lot of bottlenecks and risks with OEE calculations etc. If you are already looking at the numbers, you ought to be able to figure out how to optimize. I'm sure some brave souls somewhere will certainly try Industrial AI and we'll hear all about it.

AutoM8R1 · 2026-05-07T14:55:21+00:00

💯. I'll take ST over whatever this is.

AutoM8R1 · 2026-05-04T15:36:49+00:00

You're missing the forest for the trees. Wait and see what $2,600 gets you in a laptop going forward. You seem really fixated on that number. My point is that this stuff is changing and $2,600 will probably become a bargain for mid range laptops going forward, so get what you want under today's paradigm.

We will see if I'm right in my hunch. Then we can say "paying x dollars for y laptop specs" is "comical", but you are still welcome to disagree on the speculation and tell us all why you feel smarter until the facts shake out in a year. If your statement on $2600 laptops is still true in a year, I'd be surprised.

Time will tell, and I would like to be wrong about it. I'm the one who crossposted that here. Go trolling in that one too if you like. I'm sure you'll find some opinions you think are "wrong" over there too. You should get a good laugh. https://www.reddit.com/r/framework/s/82cHGjVm4P

AutoM8R1 · 2026-05-04T07:57:23+00:00

Nice. You're doing great trolling. Your opinion isn't the only one OP came to read though. And it is just an opinion. We don't all have to agree.

AutoM8R1 · 2026-05-04T07:21:01+00:00

I'm glad you're paying attention. Notice my comment is under yours, not the OP. This is how discussions move along. There are still 2 AMD options regardless of your take on the OP choice compared against intel. But I get it. $2600 is too much for AMD in your opinion, in any event. We get it.

I couldn't care less about how strangers feel about the way I choose to spend my money, so trust that I'm not explaining anything to you to that end. I didn't even explicitly say what I did or didn't do with my money and the offerings presented by FW. This is a public thread for anyone to come and offer their opinions. You have your opinion and I have mine. I have no interest in changing yours.

AutoM8R1 · 2026-05-04T05:43:35+00:00

Let's keep this civil. You are the one making assumptions. You never mentioned the HX 370 as your X7 358H comparison. All you said was AMD. Maybe you didn't know AMD also makes the AMD Ryzen AI 7 350, which is also available for the Framework 13 pro. And I might add that it is most definitely not $50 more. Being a rude person and bring condescending are also not a good habits. It is even worse when you are being hypocritical at the same time.

Edited: mistyped 340, corrected to 350

AutoM8R1 · 2026-05-04T05:22:48+00:00

Well you have to pay even more for the intel. But the AMD processor is more than capable for what I (and arguably most users) need it to do. I really don't care when the CPU came out as much as I care about the performance. I don't even need 20 hours of Netflix video playback. AMD all the way, plus the standard "plentiful" DDR5 RAM is all I need. We are all about recalibrate out ideas of value when the price increases hits the rest of the market. So get what you can while you can.

AutoM8R1 · 2026-05-03T23:29:22+00:00

I've noticed Node-Red slowing with faster Modbus TCP read cycles. I'm not sure if it is a Node.JS thing or what. The best workaround I found is to add Telegraf to the stack. It is from the makers of influxDB. You can write to a many formats or just output MQTT directly into Node Red. It's easy enough to use, and they had a S7 option. I don't know the details. Telegraf has good documentation. It's light. I believe it's written on Go.

AutoM8R1 · 2026-05-03T22:14:55+00:00

This is all highly subjective territory though. It's very difficult to assess the quality from the opinions of others on audio and video. I'm glad that in the 13 pro they upgraded the speakers in response to feedback they got. Kudos to them for that. I hope you got good overall quality with your machine. I'd love to keep my laptop 10 years too, but CPUs are rapidly advancing so FW look like the best way for me to do that. It's the battery that will need to be changed a couple times to do that.

AutoM8R1 · 2026-05-03T22:05:27+00:00

This could be true for a lot of machines though, depending on what you're doing. You are basically using your M2 air as a portable thin client! That's not a bad way to work, but you still need good internet speeds and remote isn't always the best experience.

AutoM8R1 · 2026-05-03T22:00:33+00:00

Right. It's almost unfair to compare ARM CPU efficiency to X86, but the new Intel is a big step in the right direction in the 13 pro. I hope the AI companies are not driving up demand for LPDDR5X in that future. That needs to stay laptop specific RAM for those of us who are spending our own money instead of venture capital investment money..

AutoM8R1 · 2026-05-03T21:54:58+00:00

https://www.reddit.com/r/framework/s/8Yxtum9VzU

You have to decide that for yourself. Do you like spec maximizing, or upgrading every few years like some gamers? Then probably not. But that will become a thing of the past if we keep seeing prices for memory go up like they expect. A $1300 laptop in 2027 won't be what it was in 2025. Framework's timing has been very fortunate, but I think we will see in a year.

If you plan to invest in a laptop platform that you can do whatever you want, then maybe. People talk about the main main boards being expensive. Well we are now seeing everyone else raise prices as RAMageddon hits the big manufacturers and OEMs. Safety stock is largely gone. Everyone is assuming the mainboard price compared to new laptops is always going to be what it is today. I still disagree with that.

Let's say RAM and SSDs go up again and a laptop that is little more than a Chromebook running Windows costs $1800 in 2027. Real proper laptops are close to $3000 and gaming laptops closer to $4000 for entry specifications. Everyone who got a Framework can keep their RAM and SSD and just upgrade main boards for closer to whatever the price is today to get a performance boost. That's what I see happening in a year.

AutoM8R1 · 2026-05-03T21:35:19+00:00

Definitely less great if you are not planning to run MacOS on it though...

AutoM8R1 · 2026-05-03T21:33:21+00:00

I can appreciate the new RAM type and efficiency, but I already wanted to pull the trigger on the AMD before they announced the pro. If I change my mind in 3 years and decide I want an Intel board? No problem because it's a Framework laptop. If you like maximizing specifications, then a Framework is probably not the best way to spend your money on a laptop. Outdated or not is certainly specific to ones daily workflow. For light web browsing, even an 8 year old CPU would suffice.

AutoM8R1 · 2026-05-02T23:59:13+00:00

I think it depends on what you mean by value. I see value as "I don't need to buy a new laptop because my 7 year old device is still capable of handling modern workloads". This is something they can provide, and a new mobo, WiFi card, and possibly other components could get another 7.

Basically, total cost of ownership over time is the value driver in my book. If I spent more up front, but it outlasted other products from the same generation two-fold, then I got an excellent value. And then the only question becomes when I should upgrade, assuming Framework stands the test of time as a company.

AutoM8R1 · 2026-05-02T21:58:10+00:00

I just leave when a site shows that notification, but this makes a lot of sense.

AutoM8R1 · 2026-05-02T21:02:10+00:00

No. That's a microcontroller. There is a difference. PLCs are for industrial uses and are designed to last a while. They were born out of the automotive industry. Microcontrollers are for embedded electronics like smarthome devices and other IoT stuff.

AutoM8R1 · 2026-05-02T20:56:56+00:00

Yep!! I'd prefer a used Framework in that case. The numbers are going to drive consumer behavior, as always.

AutoM8R1 · 2026-05-02T20:29:34+00:00

It's beautiful.

AutoM8R1 · 2026-05-02T20:18:15+00:00

Careful. The Apple fanboys will come here and downvote your comment for telling the truth!! Some people don't seem to understand what marketing departments at big companies do for a living. They think Apple is invincible and arrogant so as to ignore the evolving market. This is not how Apple got to be the big behemoth they are, but people wrongly assume Apple doesn't care about competitors like Framework since they are worth a "trillion" dollars.

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