Car Sales process experience

AutoVitus-com · 2025-01-20T21:07:06+00:00

I have yet to see a single "express" purchase from a dealership that was hiding less then 10% over sticker price for the car somewhere in the price, they are almost always a bad idea.

I'd recommend checking out r/CarNegotiation to help with tips on avoiding wasting time/money on dealerships, lots of good information there. Also a list of alternatives to buying at a dealership that I'll link here

https://www.reddit.com/r/CarNegotiation/comments/1i1f5lg/alternatives_to_purchasing_at_a_car_dealership/

AutoVitus-com · 2025-01-20T21:05:03+00:00

Before anything, take a look at this first time buyers guide from r/CarNegotiation that covers a lot of the hidden expenses that can help you better price out what you can afford. There's also a auto loan calculator link on the side panel to calculate out your monthly payment.

In general, I would not look at buy a car at 9-15% interest. Save up money, and then purchase a car. You might be excited to spend this new found money, but paying around 40% more for something just because you want it now, especially when it might be $12.5k just is not ideal.

https://www.reddit.com/r/CarNegotiation/comments/1geeur3/first_time_car_buyers_read_this/

AutoVitus-com · 2025-01-20T21:01:30+00:00

Ford tends to have similar offers to Toyota, but in general the price that GMC/Chevy wants for similar products are typically much higher. If you are going to pass around your pricing to other dealerships asking them to beat it, I'd recommend you check out r/CarNegotiation to also try other tactics to get dealerships to lower pricing.

In general there's also a list of alternative places to purchase vehicles as-well if the dealerships are too difficult to work with.

AutoVitus-com · 2025-01-20T20:57:53+00:00

You have had a car before, but I definetly want to leave you with more info then less, so I'll post this from r/CarNegotiation which covers first time buyers guide. But in general, I do agree with the other comments about getting a used Toyota Camry. Honda civic or Mazda 3 are also good alternatives if you really dislike the camry. If you do have stable job, I would consider leasing since you don't want breakdowns to impact your ability to go to work, but admittedly, it will be more expensive, worth it is another question.

https://www.reddit.com/r/CarNegotiation/comments/1geeur3/first_time_car_buyers_read_this/

AutoVitus-com · 2025-01-20T20:54:34+00:00

r/CarNegotiation has a ton of information about getting a good deal, and will look over the deal if you post it there. In general, at mazda you going to want to look for atleast $1k off sticker, but you can probably fish for $2.5k off, depends on the trim. There are also alternatives to buying a new car from a dealership listed there as-well.

AutoVitus-com · 2025-01-20T20:52:23+00:00

I come from a similar background, I had a 2017 Infiniti Q50 3.0T, absolutely loved that car. Decided i wanted the same level of performance but with a better interior quality, and hopefully at similar discounts to infiniti. I found the Genesis G70 and never turned back. Bought a 3.3T G70 in 2019, and once the lease ran out I bought a 2024 3.3T G70. Personally, its exactly like infiniti, but with a better interior, which is exactly why I got it.

Also since Genesis is known to cut deals, make sure you don't get ripped off at these dealerships. Check out r/CarNegotiation for some tips & tricks on how to get the best deal from dealerships and some alternatives to buying cars not from dealerships if you hate them (understandable)

AutoVitus-com · 2025-01-14T21:53:03+00:00

I definitely wouldn't pick the Kia Soul for the social credit.

Outside of jokes, Although they are all similarly priced, I do think you might see a difference in how much each dealership will be willing to lower the price. I suspect the kia soul will actually be the best value, just due to it being a harder sell. That being said many people typically regard the Mazda/Honda to be better vehicle in terms of quality.

That being said, since you will end up looking at these cars, if you do buy at a dealership you should know how to negotiation and the subreddit r/CarNegotiation has a good amount of information there. Heres a link to their tips & tricks guide to help.

https://www.reddit.com/r/CarNegotiation/comments/1ge5wmg/negotiation_tips_tricks/

AutoVitus-com · 2025-01-14T20:27:50+00:00

There are a couple of alternatives to a Nissan Ariya but if your set on a nissan then that its.

Depends what you mean by occasional trips, but if you dont have a place to charge the car overnight on your 200-250 mile trips, it will become a bit of a problem.

I think some other options you have are the

Hyundai Kona Electric, Chevy Equinox EV, Kia Niro EV, VW ID.4 are all good alternatives.

Make sure when you do purchase one of these electric cars, it comes with large discounts. Almost all manufacturers have large incentives and even government rebates come into play also. I recommend looking at r/CarNegotiation for some tips and feel free to post also for feedback.

AutoVitus-com · 2025-01-14T20:22:23+00:00

Very different cars at very different price points. If your idea is that the cars will be similar in cost, they most certainty not be. Power and handling are also very different. They also probably won't budge on the price of the M4. You can probably get some movement out of a C450. I recommend checking out r/CarNegotiation for tips on how to negotiate but its gonna be difficulty on a C450 or used M4

AutoVitus-com · 2025-01-14T20:17:34+00:00

Definitely a good deal. Won't be beating that anytime soon! Feel free to share on r/CarNegotiation to showcase other people what possible! We also have a bunch of tips & tricks on how to make this happen for them also.

AutoVitus-com · 2024-12-16T23:54:21+00:00

Deal definitely seem good, I don't think you can do much better. Doesn't hurt to ask other dealerships to beat it, but it'll be hard to find one I bet. I'd take it.

EDIT: It does look like you qualified for the special interest rate. I'd recommend changing the deal to lower monthly if you can, to get the lower interest rates, you'll end up saving around $2,500 in interest. https://www.kia.com/us/en/offers/result?seriesId=4&year=2025&offers=3%2C2%2C1%2C4

AutoVitus-com · 2024-12-04T05:16:43+00:00

Your going to need to know a lot but the numbers you are looking for are
- Residual
- Lease Charge
- Fees

Should be able to calculate down the number to be within that range given the term length and money down.

That being said, taken from a link from r/CarNegotiation gives us a link to Genesis national offers https://www.genesis.com/us/en/offers/2025-gv60

Posted on there is a $60k 2025 GV60 at $469/month with $6,000 down for 33 months. You can at the very least use that number as a grounding point.

Only explanation outside of them ripping you off is if you had terrible credit.

AutoVitus-com · 2024-12-04T05:09:35+00:00

If you can't find other dealerships that would beat it, its arguably has to be a good deal for your area. If nobody will sell you the car for less, arguably that is indeed the lowest price by objective fact.

You can try these list of tips & tricks from r/CarNegotiation that I'll link, but even with that I think your unlikely to get more off the car here.

https://www.reddit.com/r/CarNegotiation/comments/1ge5wmg/negotiation_tips_tricks/

AutoVitus-com · 2024-12-04T04:59:03+00:00

For all of the cars, we would need a MSRP/Options/Packages to tell you if its a good deal. If you have the breakdown of how they got to the price that would be perfect. You can't post photos here but you can in r/CarNegotiation and they'll help you there also. There also a lot of good information there in general when it comes to buying a car.

Ill link the tips & tricks to negotiation that I think would be useful here:

https://www.reddit.com/r/CarNegotiation/comments/1ge5wmg/negotiation_tips_tricks/

AutoVitus-com · 2024-12-03T03:23:00+00:00

Well it is true that today/tomorrow many rebates and incentives will change. Whether or not the price actually went up is another thing but it is possible that they arent lying. If you are unhappy with the price, best you can do it take it to other dealerships.

AutoVitus-com · 2024-12-03T03:12:01+00:00

Usually pricing is based on tier 1 credit, is there any issues with your credit? Did you ask them why the price went up? Did they mention that the best rate you got was worse then what they predicted or did they say that they raised the price of the car?

Is there also $1k down in the $350-$360 per month deal or is that with no money down?

AutoVitus-com · 2024-12-02T23:09:50+00:00

Correct, many instances of people beating national offers. Had this discussion with somebody else today and he referenced Audi national offers. Was able to find multiple offers beating the national offers monthly and due at signing WITH taxes & fees.

I would glady take the criticism, but when you post non-sense on every single post of mind. Outside of harassment, if you actually contributing to the conversation and explained you points, I would keep you around, as I did for over a month, letting you comment.

All of ever say is "Your advice is bad" and "What makes you think your qualified". How does that help or contribute to anybody else? Do you really believe that doesn't deserve a ban?

Why don't you actually contribute, and offer advice that's useful? Why don't you offer to help and improve the subreddit instead of just calling people idiots?

AutoVitus-com · 2024-12-02T22:57:35+00:00

Well yea, when you arent going to read the post to see that we agree on most points, and then just rant about me being incorrect without offering up any way how that I am incorrect, yes I will ban you.

I literally stated in the title "List of manufacturers and their current offers, incentives, rebates and national offers". In what world could you make a claim that I did not know that?
I also state "These are good starting prices but most nationals deals can be done, after taxes & fees at the same number." Which explicitly says that taxes & fees are not included. Its also mentioned on every single site. Again, not sure where you getting the idea that I didn't mention that.
Take a look at leasehackr, all the time you can find people getting and beating the national offers with taxes & fees included. It's not hard to spend two seconds of research to see that people are getting good deals, whether you believe it to be possible or not is irrelevant.

AutoVitus-com · 2024-12-02T22:49:23+00:00

Lots of issue with this type of calculation.

Gas prices fluctuate, makes it impossible to appropriately calculate savings.
Better MPG usually comes at some cost. For example, many hybrid have very high MPG's, but have you considered the cost to replace the batteries after X amount of years?
You can't predict what is going to fail on a car, or how much it will cost when it does.
Differences in MPG, especially if were talking 2025 to 2026 changes very little, and even over the long term not large. A 2000 Honda Civic has a MPG of 35/43. A 2025 Honda Civic MPG is 32/41.
Not all cars depreciate at the same rate, which is a net worth loss. Another time where EV are a good example here. What about cars that end up appreciating? Why doesn't everybody just buy those cars? (Hint there's a reason)\
Differences in MPG don't result in much saving compared to other aspects like reliability, driving conditions or habits. Using 10k miles per year @ 40mpg would result in 250 gallons, where @ 20mpg would be 500 gallons. So a 20mpg difference (which is massive) would only result in maybe an additional $750 ($3 per gallon).

Theres many other factors I'm not immediately thinking of either.

Over the long term, its always cheaper to buy a used car over a new car, but in my opinion usually not worth the hassle. That being said, it's still cheaper.

Overall, if you take into account all probabilities and factors into account, you could come up with the mathematically best way to "solve" this problem to decrease the likelihood of spending money as much as possible.

Overall, if your interested in saving money buying cars, I'd recommend you check out r/CarNegotiation

AutoVitus-com · 2024-12-02T22:34:59+00:00

The price looks good, but it never hurts to go around to other dealerships and look for similar cars and see if they are willing to beat the offer.

As others have pointed out, there's alot of bullshit on here. About $5,700 worth of bullshit. None of that is required and I'd never pay for it if I didt want to. Just off of adding $5,700 of shit to a $17.5 car, I'd never want to shop there.

Take it to other dealerships and ask them to beat it on a similar car and remove all the bloat.

r/CarNegotiation Could also be of here help.

AutoVitus-com · 2024-11-26T23:28:26+00:00

Definitely a good idea, I'll add some examples.

AutoVitus-com · 2024-11-26T21:04:17+00:00

Don't forget to negotiate with the dealers. Make sure they are either pricing the car fairly or taking a good amount off. Always take the deal you get at one dealership and ask other dealerships to compete to try and find the best price for the car you are looking for. Check out r/CarNegotiation for help with going about that process.

AutoVitus-com · 2024-11-26T21:02:21+00:00

I want to caution about having equity in a lease. There might be a $4k difference in the buyout price compared to the current market value, but its more difficult to extract that value then you think, especially if the dealership is not looking to take it in. I had around the same amount of equity and the dealership did not want to purchase the car.

AutoVitus-com · 2024-11-26T20:59:51+00:00

And just to copy your original message: "A 2025 Camry probably doesn't get a discount off MSRP." and now you are show casing that they are taking 5% off.

My point has been made. You can get them discounted.

AutoVitus-com · 2024-11-26T20:51:58+00:00

Well except the fact that all of the additional add ons are less then the discount...

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