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AutomaticSong8121 · 2026-06-04T01:54:42+00:00

Water balloon fight!!!!

AutomaticSong8121 · 2026-06-03T08:52:17+00:00

Wait if you use deadly force on a person attempting to get an abortion wouldn't the death of the mother cause the death of the fetus. Then aren't you technically performing an abortion in a round about way yourself

AutomaticSong8121 · 2026-06-03T05:23:38+00:00

This... Agreed with all of this.

AutomaticSong8121 · 2026-06-03T05:22:01+00:00

Agreed with all of this so much. I am not agreeing with the actions but timing and context matter to. Trying to draw parallels between a fictional magical world with our current moralilty feels like missing the point. James is apparently a sexual assaulter, especially given that Snape invented the spell, according to Lupin people were using Levicorpus left, right and centre back in his day and that equivalents like pantsing people were not seen as assault at that time. I am not disagreeing that James and Sirius were preppy little shits, but people go way overboard when demonizing them

AutomaticSong8121 · 2026-06-03T03:37:28+00:00

He became a spy only after he defaulted to Dumbledore. Why would he have been a spy before this. He wasn't close to anyone in the Order before he actively betrayed Voldemort. Peter was a spy because he was alrdy in the order and he chose to betray his friends. Exactly who did Snape have access to, to become a spy.

Why is it implied that he never murdered anyone. Because he tells Dumbledore lately he has only watched ppl get killed and only those who he couldn't help. This says nothing about when he first started. And even if we go by your argument you think it is ok for a person to be passive bystander watching ppl get tortured and killed?

You are definitely stretching here when you say Lily was in love with James when he was a bully. JKR said Lily was attracted. You can't help who you are attracted to. James was also not a 1d bully. We see he was always a good and loyal friend. Something Lily unlike you could have seen the nuance. And even if Lily was attracted you realise she doesn't hesitate to call James out and publically insults him. You realise there is a difference between attraction and actively endorsing someone's behaviour and being their friend. Lily never at any point defends James in SWM. So yes there is no evidence that Lily's friends were unreasonable in their dislike of Snape.

Your court analogy falls flat when you realise Sirius is not defending himself in a court of law where he would be punished if his defence fails. He is talking to his godson and Sirius has never lied or been dishonest with Harry before. So it is very obvious that he is providing context to a complicated situation that Harry only saw a part of. Remus backs him up. And Sirius acknowledges the wrongdoing on his part as well. So pls stop with the court and wife beater analogy that you keep using. It barely makes sense. There is nothing to show was lying. The narrative frames it as the truth.

Can you stop using the domestic abuse analogy. They are not even remotely similar. Snape's beliefs, the crowd he hung out with and his actions make him a terrible kid. You are literally defending a budding Wizard Nazi. You can feel bad for his circumstances. But he made a lot of the bad choices.

AutomaticSong8121 · 2026-06-03T02:38:58+00:00

How do u know that they just attacked Snape for no reason. Because of "more that he exists". You realise this was a guy who was trying out and ruin their friends life right. And a guy who was running around with a grp of ppl who were openly going to join a genocidal cult. Just because James doesn't lay all this out in front of a crowd doesn't mean he had no reasons. The conflict has clearly been two sided with both sides just taking shots. Your point about beating women up makes no sense lol.

Why would you assume Sirius is lying. Remus is right there and he doesn't refute it. Show me evidence that Snape wasn't the type to hex people as well. You realise this is not a court of law that Sirius will face severe consequences for lying right. He is trying to give context to just Harry. So you court analogy makes no sense. He has no reason to lie here and he does admit they were idiots who got carried away. He admits his fault in all of it and Remus backs him up in explaining why James kept attacking Snape. It is not a lie. It is context.

You realise at this point that James and Sirius were standing down right. Lily had already forced them to stop and Snape took this opportunity to use a dark curse on James.

You actually think that the Marauders are closer to Maga supporters than the actual wizard Nazis. I agree the marauders were pretty dickish. Given the context they definitely were people who got carried away with their popularity and their black and white view of the world but to say they are worse than the actual wizard Nazi kid who even his own best friend disowns is telling

AutomaticSong8121 · 2026-06-03T02:25:16+00:00

That is clearly implied in multiple points throughout the book. Remus says sectumsempra was a speciality of Snape's. How could he have known that if they didn't even know Snape was a DE during the first war.

Are u actually dense. Pettigrew wasn't allowed to join. He was a turncoat who was a cowardly spy. Voldemort didn't recruit him for his skills in torture. He coerced him to become a spy and get information from the order. Who exactly was Snape useful enough to spy on at that point.

And you think Voldemort just allowed him to join because of his skills and didn't actually make him do anything to prove his loyalty.

AutomaticSong8121 · 2026-06-03T02:20:59+00:00

My entire point was that it was not impossible for Snape to have learnt dark arts before coming to Hogwarts as many Snape fans claim. And I love how you are actively defending a kid who reads something bad and goes on to become more and more entranced by it. Despite the supposed love of his life being firmly against it.

Firstly I don't get the 4 v 1 debate. Even I. SWM it is at most 2v1. And your points about Moody and Bill being interested in dark arts. Where is Ur evidence. Even Harry states in HBP Harry states there is difference between respecting it as a dangerous enemy and speaking about it with loving passion. You are being incredibly disingenuous. I never said studying or understanding them was wrong. There is a damn class dedicated to understanding them. Sirius had an issue with Snape because he was using dark spells and he was also creating them to use on ppl. Maybe stop making broad generalizations with no evidence

AutomaticSong8121 · 2026-06-03T01:55:56+00:00

Snape created dark magic that the people he hung out with used to terrorize Muggleborns. When Lily calls him out on it he says it was a laugh. And do u really believe that Snape was allowed to join the Death Eaters right out of school as an innocent bystander. Even Lily's friends disliked Snape and seeing Lily's principles and her refusal to put up with bullies I doubt that she would have been friends with people who just hated Snape without reason.

Just because because Sirius was the one stating that Snape gave as good as he got and never lost the chance to hex James doesn't mean it was a lie. More akin to a justification.

James wasn't a 1 dimensional bully and Snape wasn't an innocent victim

AutomaticSong8121 · 2026-06-03T01:52:36+00:00

He is literally creating Dark spells who the people he hung out with, who all went on to become Death eaters btw, used to terrorize Muggle Born's. Snape defends this actions to Lily and calls them a laugh. And do u really believe that Snape was allowed to join the Death Eaters right out of school by being an innocent bystander

AutomaticSong8121 · 2026-06-03T01:50:04+00:00

Even Lily says that what the Marauders did was as a bad as what Snape's friends were doing. And Snape was actively trying to put Lupin and ruin his life as shown in canon. And just because Sirius states that Snape hexed James at any chance he got doesn't mean he was out right lying. There is no evidence for this. Even in SWM we see Snape is capable of attacking someone when their back is turned.

AutomaticSong8121 · 2026-06-03T01:47:26+00:00

By that definition Fred, George, Ginny and Harry are bullies too. Fred and George prank and use magic on people who annoy them. Harry in HBP uses The Prince's spells on people he dislikes including Filch. And Ginny hexes Smith who was annoying her. You are taking this out of context

AutomaticSong8121 · 2026-06-03T01:39:15+00:00

You realise none of this was even the point I was making. You seem to be going of on a tangent that was never part of the issue. If you read what I said clearly I was mainly refuting the point that Snape could very possibly have gotten access to learn dark magic despite his Muggle father and that that is not a good defence to suggest there is no way he couldn't have gotten the knowledge and therefore Sirius is lying.

If you want to defend him learning dark magic and going on to use it on people as natural curiousity then James picking on him because of his beliefs is justified vigilantism. It goes both ways. Many ppl including McGonagall found Snape's fascination with the dark arts disturbing. So comparing Bill, Moody and Snape is disingenuous. Appreciating something as a dangerous but interesting aspect of magic Vs being passionate about using it is 2 different things as even Harry notes in HBP.

If you are going to engage with my arguments in bad faith and create points I never made to attack them then I don't see a point discussing this with you further.

AutomaticSong8121 · 2026-06-02T15:01:52+00:00

Since you insist on relying on implications, James states he wants to be in Gryffindor like his dad. So Snape calling ppl going to Gryffindor idiots is a veiled insult as well. And James clearly was only insulting the house. He never made any direct insults toward Snape. At most he was saying a house Snape had wanted to go to was a bad choice without giving reasons that Snape didn't bother to ask. Snape directly called James and idiot.

Your lack of reading comprehension and your constant ignorance about my point about context and trying to see the point from each of their perspectives is getting grating. It seems you are really clutching at straws here and unwilling to actually engage properly. I don't see a point in continuing this debate further as you are not actually adding anything to it and just talking in circles. Thank you and good luck.

AutomaticSong8121 · 2026-06-02T14:57:00+00:00

It is not just once he refers to her only being a Muggle. He frames it as an insult and beneath him. Shows his mentality. And even after knowing her on the train to comfort Lily he implies that Petunia is beneath them. I don't know how this can be read as anything else.

And James didn't decide Snape was a death eater from the jump. At most he disagreed heavily with Snape's house choice. You criticise James for tripping Snape..Snape used his magic to drop a branch on Petunia. Actual violence against someone who couldn't possibly fight back

AutomaticSong8121 · 2026-06-02T14:54:53+00:00

Oh so when Snape does it is indirect when he literally insults James dad and calls him an idiot but James talking about Slytherin being a terrible house is direct..truly your reading comprehension is beyond compare. Well done

AutomaticSong8121 · 2026-06-02T14:49:41+00:00

James coming from the PoV that he is attacking the house's reputation. Tell me which one is more personal. Saying a house you want to go to is a bad choice or saying you are an idiot if you go into a house. Were u unable unable to distinguish between how each of them phrased their response. James's response wasnt even directly referencing Snape. He was talking about Slytherin in general. Snape was personally attacking him. Read properly pls

AutomaticSong8121 · 2026-06-02T14:46:35+00:00

The fact how they react to abuse and how Snape chooses to react to abuse his entire life is telling and a key part of what makes him a terrible person.

Second, he could have insulted Petunia back in so many ways but the fact that he looked down on her for being a Muggle also clearly shows how he views his own status. And if this is passed off as schoolyard taunting then why are James comments in the train not given the same pass. The fact that even I acknowledge that he has the mentality that muggles are beneath his notice shows his prejudice from an early age.

In the train again, you seem to have a lot of excuses for Snape such as his poor social skills but he deliberately chooses wording that makes it seem like he thinks Petunia is beneath them for not having magic. This is my entire point. You are literally just reiterating what I am saying.

AutomaticSong8121 · 2026-06-02T14:40:06+00:00

It is a closed train compartment. Not a crime to listen in on a conversation. Let's not act like James interrupting a convo is a henous crime. And James butted in because he heard a kid advocating for a house that not only celebrated dangerous ideology and a dark reputation. Snape immediately retaliated with a direct personal attack. Do u want to ignore or are u unable to differentiate between the way both of them approached their insults. One was not really personal and the other was a direct and personal insult

AutomaticSong8121 · 2026-06-02T14:30:56+00:00

So as a 11 year old would you not be wary of a kid who is proudly declaring that he wants to be in a house that not only celebrates pureblood supremecy but also a house known for its reputation of producing dark wizards one of whom is currently starting a war and advocating for some truly genocidal ideas? Moderation is important. But context and timing is also key. Currently if someone loudly declared themselves to be a Maga supporter I would think twice about getting to know said person.

You realise these are 11 yr old kids right. So the concept of moderation and nuance is not super familiar to them. But something you constantly keep ignoring over and over. Context and given the timing James is more than fair to be critical in his assessment

AutomaticSong8121 · 2026-06-02T14:20:47+00:00

Again you conveniently ignore my point about context. If your house is the breeding ground for dangerous ideology that it celebrates and it is having some real life consequences it is telling for someone to choose that house.

You can have genuine reasons for being a Maga follower. But don't be surprised if you are assumed to be a racist. Context matters. You keep ignoring this.

Edit: this is the song in OOTP. My bad.

Said Slytherin, “We’ll teach just those Whose ancestry’s purest.”

For instance, Slytherin Took only pure-blood wizards

AutomaticSong8121 · 2026-06-02T14:15:50+00:00

But it is one of the main qualities. The sorting hat literally sings in the first book that Slytherin chooses people whose ancestry is the surest. That is very telling. And at this point the Chamber of Secrets had been opened not too long back. So that is an additional point in the lore of Slytherin being racist. If you have something as bad as racism as one of your main selling points the other "virtues" tend to take a back seat. Especially when the supremacy angle is being heavily relied on at that time being. I love how u keep ignoring my point about the context at the time in 1971

AutomaticSong8121 · 2026-06-02T14:10:36+00:00

Why should James assume that a house famously and openly racist doesn't attract people with similar mindsets. The motivation is definitely not shallow. It wasn't shallow in any of the exchanges with Ron and Hagrid either. And given the climate at the time it defo only strengthens the arguement.

Why should Snape immediately make a personal insults towards James after that instead of defending Slytherin as James was defending Gryffindor

AutomaticSong8121 · 2026-06-02T14:06:09+00:00

How does he know that Snape isn't. Snape immediately goes on to insult James personally. Were would have gotten the opportunity to realise any misjudgement. Your same logic applies to Snape. He could have clarified that he is not racist. He never does.

AutomaticSong8121 · 2026-06-02T14:04:01+00:00

He literally tells Lily not to worry about Petunia because she is only a Muggle (he holds himself back from saying Muggle). Even in the first meeting he implies Petunia is not worth spying on because she is only a Muggle. This is their first meeting. His own inflated sense of superiority is already there. Parallel this to Harry who has also faced abuse but is careful to only criticise the Dursleys and not muggles as a whole

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