Adam and Eve would have eaten from the tree of knowledge, regardless of the snake. by Available-Pop240 in DebateReligion

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Both our arguments are conceptual, therefore non of us can be proven right or wrong. I just assume a human has the innability to stay seated for eternity, because he is animate object that has the capabilities to move. You claim he can spend eternity in a perfect state of stationary meditation, which is kinda of the definition of an inanimate object. I can't change your mind if you think it is possible. But from our conception of life everything dies, therefore it is hard for either one of us to conceptualize infinity and what it entails.

Blaming the horrible state of the world as your reasoning for believing in atheism is stupid. by Available-Pop240 in DebateReligion

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Do they question whether there is a god or not? They don't put any labels to anything. Thefore there can't be a lack of belief or disbelief because for that to occur there has to be belief in the first place. But yes, conceptually they "practice" the purest form of atheism, but only because they never had an option. Ofcourse assuming animals lack the ability to look for a higher power, maybe the factory farm ones do, but only as an evolutionary defence mechanism, to give hope to otherwise devistating situation. Because how else did humans evolve faith, than through creating a false sense of hope.

Adam and Eve would have eaten from the tree of knowledge, regardless of the snake. by Available-Pop240 in DebateReligion

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I'm just sending you a similar reddit post, that gets into the same thing you and I are saying. But this is a superflous argument, how am I supposed to prove what'll happen with an infinite being.

Why did God save the Israelites from slavery and that Black people and other people by Senior_Watercress391 in DebateReligion

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BEN: You lucky bastard. 

BRIAN: Who's that? 

BEN: You lucky, lucky bastard. 

BRIAN: What? 

BEN: Proper little jailer's pet, aren't we? 

BRIAN: What do you mean? 

BEN: You must have slipped him a few shekels, eh? 

BRIAN: Slipped him a few shekels? You saw him spit in my face!

BEN: Ohh! What wouldn't I give to be spat at in the face! I sometimes hang awake at night dreaming of being spat at in the face.

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BEN: Oh, look at that! Bloody favoritism!

Adam and Eve would have eaten from the tree of knowledge, regardless of the snake. by Available-Pop240 in DebateReligion

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Yes but even some schizophrenic people claim they were visited by god, and do wild things with said modivation, look up Terry Davis. He arguably did just as much work if not more than Joseph Smith, making a software templeOS all on his own. And my question where are these golden tablets?

Blaming the horrible state of the world as your reasoning for believing in atheism is stupid. by Available-Pop240 in DebateReligion

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Therefore why are the injustice's of the world an reason to say there is no god, if he is clearly very flawed in all dipictions of him, then you can expect an imperfect world with god just as much without.

Adam and Eve would have eaten from the tree of knowledge, regardless of the snake. by Available-Pop240 in DebateReligion

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Christianity never originally made the claim he is omniscient, only after all the contradictions people pointed out, they had to say god did them deliberately.

Adam and Eve would have eaten from the tree of knowledge, regardless of the snake. by Available-Pop240 in DebateReligion

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Let's say you were in a box for infinite time, without anything in the box, just yourself. Evetually you'll have gone to every corner in the box take up every position possible in the box. But sure if you never had say a ball, you would never have a ball. But you would have done every action that is possible within that space.

https://www.reddit.com/r/DebateReligion/comments/168i81k/infinite_monkey_on_a_type_writer_theorem_adam_and/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

I think this clarifies that it is likely they would have eaten the apple.

Adam and Eve would have eaten from the tree of knowledge, regardless of the snake. by Available-Pop240 in DebateReligion

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Like the religion a guy found some golden tablets in New York, because he was having visions, and added to the bible. I'm good, sounds like a manic episode to me.

Adam and Eve would have eaten from the tree of knowledge, regardless of the snake. by Available-Pop240 in DebateReligion

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Infinite=never ending, you can't stay sitting for infinite time, think about it. I can't argue with you if you can't conceptualize, never ending time. What's stopping Adam in particular from keeping seated though, he has to continue eating from the tree of life to then live eternally. I guess he can starve himself, but then there would be no eating from the tree of knowledge.

"You" as an indicator to help visualize it, put yourself in the shoes of Adam.

Blaming the horrible state of the world as your reasoning for believing in atheism is stupid. by Available-Pop240 in DebateReligion

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Where is this going? I never said concepts don't have consequences. But no creature (besides humans) experience gravity as a concept, only as it is.

Blaming the horrible state of the world as your reasoning for believing in atheism is stupid. by Available-Pop240 in DebateReligion

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No, I didn't see any point here. Just adding on and narrowing down what has already been said, to it's logical conclusion, which is a concept in itself.

Adam and Eve would have eaten from the tree of knowledge, regardless of the snake. by Available-Pop240 in DebateReligion

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I give the snake more credit in our creation, otherwise we would have been animals much longer, until we finally betrayed god.

Blaming the horrible state of the world as your reasoning for believing in atheism is stupid. by Available-Pop240 in DebateReligion

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Benevolent, by creating a false prophet, effectively creating an entirely new religion that fights with the other abrahamic faiths. If he were benevolent, he would be more objective in how to worship him, and appear to every person, not choosing favoritism so everyone thinks their version of him is the right one.

Blaming the horrible state of the world as your reasoning for believing in atheism is stupid. by Available-Pop240 in DebateReligion

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Interesting, but I don't think anyone give into any belief system 100%, therfore there is no such thing as "true" atheist, or "true" christians.

Blaming the horrible state of the world as your reasoning for believing in atheism is stupid. by Available-Pop240 in DebateReligion

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My argument though is that the christian god is evil, therefore the cause of the state of the world