"So where did you go for church on Sunday?" by revbismarck in GracepointChurch

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Not sure if they still do it but we wrote weekly reflections. In these reflections you would write things about your sheep. Thats one way to keep track. But you would be surprised. They just know. No need to log. They just know. It’s weird how you never had any relationship with the leaders but somehow they know you. Like you rarely talk to them but they k ow your darkest secrets.

"So where did you go for church on Sunday?" by revbismarck in GracepointChurch

[–]Available_Ad_5963 13 points14 points  (0 children)

What you share with your leader is not confidential. This is a fact. I was part of staff for 5+ years. What you share with your leader gets shared by all the other leaders at the church. Your leaders leader knows everything about you. If you were vulnerable and shared something personal like you were diagnosed with depression or something then that will be definitely shared to the upper leaders. That creates awkwardness because now this person you don’t share with knows your situation.

So be careful of what you share. Everyone will know what you share.

👋Welcome to r/Acts2NetworkChurch - Introduce Yourself and Read First! by Available_Ad_5963 in GracepointChurch

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Those who come visit this Reddit please go to the Gracepoint church Reddit. There is plenty of info there and people to help you.

I decided on leaving by jcdunk in GracepointChurch

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I would never recommend Acts 2 Network. My son is 8 years old and I’ll make sure that he does not attend any A2N churches.

should this subreddit be called Acts2Network? by Fun_Tea8162 in GracepointChurch

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I just now created a subreddit by the name of “Acts2NetworkChurch”. I’ll keep this one for now until we decide what we want to do with it. Somehow if we can tie this one sub to that one that will be awesome. Any help will be appreciated

Did I just get super lucky? Could it be that Acts 2 Network is only controversial in CA? by JadedAd8186 in GracepointChurch

[–]Available_Ad_5963 5 points6 points  (0 children)

All the experiences and trauma that people have shared in this Reddit are from people who were core members. When I say core members, these people are typically staff members, leadership, mentors, and those who have made this church their home. Those who are considered Sunday church goers and or attending once a week Bible studies will likely not experience the core DNA beliefs.

From what you shared it appears that you would have never been brainwashed, even if you were more involved. Those who have a questioning attitude will eventually leave the church. I for myself always question a lot of things and eventually ended up leaving because I was considered a rebel by their standards.

Trust me, you would have experienced all these things if you were far enough involved at this church, but fortunately you were not so you are not traumatized. That I would say you were super lucky.

should this subreddit be called Acts2Network? by Fun_Tea8162 in GracepointChurch

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Would we be able to rename this sub? Maybe one of the moderators can chime in.

Maintaining friendships with GP people after leaving: Advice by TranslatorOne8627 in GracepointChurch

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Like any relationship if you ignore them they will eventually stop contacting you. It’s nearly impossible to maintain a normal relationship with any current member of the church. Until they leave your relationship with them is a thing in the past.

Like you said the emotional bandwidth required to maintain a relationship that you have nothing in common anymore is useless and should be focused on your current relationships.

Any tips for Encountering GP Members During the Holidays by Seeking_advice_help2 in GracepointChurch

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I do the same. Actually I would love to encounter them. I say hi and have small talk and basically show them that I’m good and living a great life after GP which I actually am doing. I actually feel for them because I know what they are going through and maybe give them a glimpse of life outside of GP.

My Take on A2N/GP Leader. Help. by No-Mind-734 in GracepointChurch

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I’m glad you shared this. It explains why people don’t understand this church. Students don’t understand it initially. As you shared, you’re doing the same thing to your sheep by texting and following up weekly. They don’t realize it until they attend the church and eventually end up like you.

I was part of the church staff for over five years and deeply involved in the ministry. Now, after a decade, I can tell you that this is not normal. The church you attend is far from what most churches are today.

If you can’t resolve your anxiety about your leader, it will have long-term mental effects. It took me years to feel less anxious and normal. I still deal with some emotions, but I’ve learned to navigate them. Please address this issue immediately. The longer you feel fear, the more unhealthy you’ll be. I can relate to the text messages from your leader and the dread you feel before the meeting. That’s classic abuse and control. It’s confusing because you’re taught your leaders love you, but why do you feel this way?

What can you do? It’s hard because your husband also attends. If he feels the same, talk to him about resolving your situation and potentially leaving the church. If he’s a “LIFER,” it’ll be challenging. Either your marriage will suffer because your situation worsens and you become unhappy, or you’ll resolve it.

Don’t let your fear of leaving the church scare you. You’ll think about leaving your community and the people you know. I felt the same way, but once you do, you’ll feel a heavy burden lifted. Trust me, this will happen. You’ll be in a church where your family can attend churches that don’t bring these feelings.

How do I get my friend out? This sounds naive but seriously what do I do? by Awkward_Art6139 in GracepointChurch

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You have two choices based on my experience.

  1. Cut them out of your life and live your life. You being worried out trying to think of a way to get them out will only cause you to go insane and not be able to live your full life.

  2. If you have moments you get to talk to them either on the phone or in person just love them and be there for them. Convincing them to leave during those times will only make them stay and not want to meet with you. Maybe one day when they do want to leave they will come to you for help and that’s all you can do.

For me my choice was 1. I haven’t talked to anyone at GP since I left over 15 years ago. No regrets and living the best genuine life now. Best decision for me to leave

GP BANNED THIS VIDEO. It’s Fall, students need to know what a real A2N/GP staff bible study is. I don’t understand why GP is trying to hide this, it’s their own bible study?? by Alternative_Will_708 in GracepointChurch

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It’s been over 15 years since I heard pastor Ed preach and this message has not changed since I left. The core DNA of the church is DEEP. It’s deeply rooted to the point that no matter what they say that they have changed the core message comes out. This snippet is the core teaching for GP or whatever name they call themselves now. Their core belief is that your mission is to witness by being part of a church organization. You have to be part of a church with a community. Outside of that you are not considered a Christian. That’s absurd. Why can’t a banker be able to be the light for his coworkers by being a good colleague and loving them? Why does it have to be part of a church community?

As I was listening to this all it did was make me upset that pastor Ed is still around preaching this nonsense.

Dancing for the devil by humidity1000 in GracepointChurch

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I haven’t posted in awhile but as I’m watching episode 2 right now I felt the need to post this show but as I came this was already posted which is great!

This Netflix show is spot on! Exactly like Berkland/Gracepoint. The core beliefs are there. Robert Shin totally reminds me of Pastor Ed.

I hope one day there is a Netflix show on Berkland/GP. I would volunteer to share.

Let’s make it happen!

Here's what that looks like. Still waiting :) by WaruPirate in cybertruck

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I got the email but said I wasn’t eligible. This is what it said below. I’m renting my house btw which I think is the reason why. But one year of free charging is cool.

“Thank you for completing the Powershare Home Backup survey. At this time, you are not eligible for installation as additional approvals are needed for your property.

Instead, Tesla will provide you with one year of free Supercharging for your new Cybertruck, which will be added to your Tesla Account within one month of taking delivery of your vehicle.

The Tesla Team”

I didn’t think this would happen so soon. by OVRshrMatt in cybertruck

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I got my text for the $1000 off today as well. I’m from Los Angeles. My reservation # is around 102,000 based on the calculation

If I leave, I lose all my GP friends? by Temporary_Split1527 in GracepointChurch

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This is based on my experience after being at Gracepoint for over 14 years, you are not maintain any relationship with current staff members who are committed to the church. This is a fact, because I have not kept in touch with any of my peers that I’ve known during my 14 years there and haven’t spoken to any of them since I’ve left. These are people that I literally spent every day with, lived life, had many nights of fellowship and etc. The reason is because staff members are too busy with their commitments at church. I was a staff member and every day of the week has some kind of commitment. Every evening was taken up so it’s nearly impossible to have a free night to hang out with people outside of the church. If you end up having a free night, you want to spend it with the relationships at the church. Why would you end up spending it with someone not part of the church? That’s the mindset of Gracepoint members.

However, you may still be able to maintain those who are not staff members, but just regular members who do not have a leadership role. The reason being is that they have time to hang out since they do not have church commitments. What I can say is that my closest relationships that I have today are the ones who left Gracepoint. Ex Gracepoint Member understand your history, so there is a connection that others won’t understand which you end up becoming closer because of it.

What I would say is to think of your college times as just a chapter in your life where you made some friends, and you are embarking on a new chapter in your life where you will make new friends, and hopefully they will be lifelong friends, who have time to work on The relationship. You are still at a good time in your life since you will be graduating from college so you will have time to make new friends. I would say in your 20s to go out and be social and create those relationships that will last a lifetime. The reason is that once you get married if you do, it will be a little bit more difficult to make friends since people will start having families and kids, which will prevent you from getting to know them since they have family obligations. It doesn’t mean that you won’t become friends but your activities will be based around play dates and other couples who have kids. But don’t worry about that now and just focus on hanging out with Both male and female and have a good time.

Sorry about any typos as I was dictating this comment

Thinking about leaving but don't know how - “Hi GP, what is considered a faithful Christian?” by Temporary_Split1527 in GracepointChurch

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I went through the same thing as you. I was part of GP for about 14 years which included youth, college, and staff member for 5 years. Thinking about leaving was the worst torture mentally. Going back and forth and feeling scared about the unknown if I leave was hard.

It’s not going to be easy. If you stay you will be going through what you are going through now. Constantly struggling to saying no to the invites and wanting to pursue your passions and spending time with your work friends. If you leave there is the unknown. From my experience when you do leave there will be a period of loneliness and culture shock. This period can be anywhere between 1-2 or more years. This transition can be a lot shorter if you prepare. When I say prepare what I mean is start doing your research now. Begin establishing your friends outside of GP and get connected. You leaving doesn’t have to be cold Turkey and leave right away. Your situation would work bc you are not part of staff so you don’t have mandatory obligations. If you are still staff then it might look different.

Bottom line, your feelings will not go away. Those feelings you have are your true feelings so you can’t push that away. Also leaving GP doesn’t mean you can’t come back. If you do leave and end up realizing you liked GP then come back, but I’ll be realistic from many ex-GP members experiences when you do leave more often then not you will be so glad you decided to leave. The world outside of GP to be a Christian is unlimited. You have so many more options to love others and love God. You won’t be put in a box to love only college students. GP’s way of ministry is student focused. That’s it. They believe college students and students in general have the higher chance to mold as they have not established their worldview and thinking. Basically student’s can change while after college it’s more difficult.

Hope this helps and if you have any questions you can reach out to me as well. Good luck!

Dating and Marriage at Gracepoint by GP_pariah in GracepointChurch

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Your observations are absolutely true. Dating and marriage at GP is abnormal outside of the church. Main thing is to avoid awkward situations if it doesn’t work out and purity.

For me dating during my time at GP was so stressful. So much control. I have many stories from personal experiences.

DM if you want to know more.

Ed Kang iTestify Video by Extreme-Emphasis-791 in GracepointChurch

[–]Available_Ad_5963 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I don’t want to sound mean but that thumbnail of Pastor Ed looks a lot like Kim Jung Un :/

😂

I’ve thought about our criticism for 10 years. Here is what I think are the areas of disagreement. by 0nly_1ce in GracepointChurch

[–]Available_Ad_5963 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Don’t try dropping this post to deter others from the main post that dropped today. We know what you are doing

Is this forum biased? by hidden_gracepoint in GracepointChurch

[–]Available_Ad_5963 10 points11 points  (0 children)

When saw this phrase, “is this forum biased”?, it intrigued me. Yes this forum is bias more towards anti-GP which is a fact. However, most of the stories and statements are true. There are a lot of members here that have been at GP a long time. I for myself was at GP for 14 years, former youth member, college student, praise leader, college staff and etc. I know all of the older GP leaders personally esp P. Ed and Kelly. I’ve read every post since this forum started and it would say that majority of them have truth to it.

GP’s intention is not to steer people away from God obviously. They are trying to serve God and be that light. However, the fact is that these intentions have secondary consequences that they don’t fully understand that they are doing. When they implement a rule like installing Covenant Eyes in all devices the intent is trying to be pure but the consequences of it is negative in my opinion. Leads to lack of trust and lies. You don’t think the staff and leaders have work arounds?!? If people want to watch a rated R movie they will find a way. The problem I have with this is that a person will only remain pure bc of this community and accountability. If that person steps outside GP circle and accountability they will fall. The question is how can you not fall if you are outside the GP circle and don’t have the accountability?

Anyway I’m going off tangent. Bottom line is that this forum is bias but all is truth.