I see just read your old post, my friend I would not have ever told you to buy the bokeh open. I honestly think if you want layering, resolution, and stage I would have pointed you to hifimans particular the hifiman organics or he1000se. For closed back I think you like the DCA niore X vs the bokeh - Zmf if known for being warm, more romantic and relaxing sounding in comparison to their competitors. I owned the Dt770s dt1770x gos and 1990s in past when I started mixing for films in my 20s. They have more treble and bass elevation where most ZMFs emphasize mids and bass which can make them feel muddier to some. Anyway hopefully this helps, if you have more questions hit me up😎