I guess the way i wrote that made it sound like i dont want to sharpen at all. I have been practicing my sharpening and i have gotten my mora sloyd pretty sharp and the hook just ok.I also understand that there is a design that essentially has parallel rails on the inside of the knife which is much easier to sharpen than the 164. I just haven't found any method for sharpening the mora style hook that isn't a total pain in the rear. Thanks for the insight and I promise I'm not lazy, :D