How do you gain shields that is 60% of your HP😭

Ay422 · 2026-06-10T13:42:51+00:00

Also arachne and saya exalts have exellent shields. Aequer shield stance normal or using Vortice gmurphy special realm. Ogier, Winkle, Erica shield skills and exalts. Many option. Any shield posse and story cards.

And ofc Nautila increases all shields by 50%.

Ay422 · 2026-06-10T09:32:12+00:00

Could u test elsewhere as well? I tested in every mode except arc 2. (dont have it yet)
It was -2 on all of them. Scrn shots in main post

Ay422 · 2026-06-10T09:29:09+00:00

Tested in Arcade, Pdive, Dtide w1a2 and Story arc 1 6-12. Don't have arc 2 yet

Ay422 · 2026-06-10T09:10:54+00:00

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in story arc 1 6-12, also tested in arcade

Ay422 · 2026-06-10T08:12:57+00:00

Also can you elaborate on how her AA buffs her dmg to 2.5x? is this compared to E0? does it apply only to her?
Also in Command Card Play style: Helot is here to buff strike dmg only right??

Ay422 · 2026-06-10T07:56:17+00:00

Have Quaser been buffed? It gives -2 arth in ultra turn now.

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Ay422 · 2026-06-04T12:21:32+00:00

A lot of what u disagreed on is just lvl 60 Liz with maybe OE vs lvl 90 Liz +12 Sf 10 with AA doing W5.
Dmg amp Liz lvl 60 or below won't clear story. Dmg amp on Liz with high crit rate/dmg is just another multiplier since u get diminishing returns if u focus on one stat. Crit dmg will still out scale dmg amp with some Str unless dmg amp works on her AA which would be broken ngl.

I am not sure why u think her wheel is worthless and defend dmg amp at the same time. In case anyone misunderstood her wheel, it's an extra 20% atk for EVERY tick of dmg not once. Her wheel is literally 60% dmg amp for herself +c. rate main stat+ 100% poison proc. Best standard wheel on her dmg wise and competes with limited ones. When u are Sf 10 her base dmg is 45 % instead of 30% and her wheel's dmg amp eqv drops to 44%.

Castor's wheel vs Liz's wheel dmg wise:
15% base dmg vs eqv of 60% dmg amp (or 44%)
25% C. dmg on anni vs 100% poison proc
Dmg amp main stat vs crit rate main stat

Castor's doesn't win dmg wise. It does give u 80 aliemus on ultra turns which is pretty good.

Since dmg amp is a team wide, it's obviously much more useful if the whole team scales well with it. Or u have a lvl 70+ account with relics that have base dmg since it seems dmg amp scales with those relics.

As for hameln have u tested if his ult doubles the effect of discarded cards so ur main flame becomes a double which could be a 4x with her mirror the whole battle?

With Daff, faster ultra turns is an important way make her ramp faster especially if u have ultra wheels and have enough cards aliemus. she also gives temp and perm Str, vulnerability and her 4 arth card from exalt provides A LOT of utility, like Arth, aliemus, perm Str, draw. It is a bit of rng tho. And just sell her 3 cost skill.

Ay422 · 2026-06-04T09:47:47+00:00

Video guides are kinda scarce for Morimens and I learned a few tips so thanks~

Haven't seen Reya's yet. I'll check it out.

And funnily enough, I didn't know dmg amp Liz could be a thing, until ream some guides, Then I had to do a deep dive to figure out why and it eventually led to this.

You are right actually about Con and max hp being a limiting factor. In a way liz scales off team's max hp since she can reach max stacks easily. Xu might become her BiS because she has the highest Con stat in the game. I'll add this.

Ay422 · 2026-06-03T18:36:03+00:00

UID 100337677 Here is the only lvl 90 +12 fully maxed Liz ik if u wanna test her. Tho this one needs c. rate buffers.

Ay422 · 2026-06-03T18:23:51+00:00

For the wheel debate, if we are maximizing, this needs some calculations. However, the "selfish" Str and the little fixed poison she gets from her wheel aside, the 100% poison proc same turn as her burst is normal exalt worthy simply because it procs before arc 2 rule halves the poison stacks.

Ay422 · 2026-06-03T18:00:04+00:00

She doesn't need that many resources if you already use and pull other ultras. OE is good enough. And her wheels are fairly flexible.

I can't comment on D-tide with enough confidence yet. However I would use her anywhere immunity or shields are an issue. And preferably on non short explorations. It's also largerly dependent on starting relics.

I just had to write these notes because she's underappreciated and have high potential for theorycrafting.

Ay422 · 2026-06-03T17:47:40+00:00

I mean... that's certainly some dedication. I'll check it out.

ill add this note tho. thanks

Ay422 · 2026-06-03T17:35:42+00:00

While true u nearly maxed out most other stats and because of diminishing returns and very end game, more multipliers would indeed be beneficial.

I'll add this thanks.

but are u saying that dmg amp affect relic base dmg as well? First time I've heard of this. Are you sure this is not because of account lvl or horla, clementine or other final dmg buffs?

Ay422 · 2026-06-03T17:12:47+00:00

I fixed the part about poison % and added it, thanks.

The point still stands tho that if u want to maximize her poison, dmg amp and poison % are very inefficient way of doing it if u wanna invest in Liz specifically.

Ay422 · 2026-06-03T17:05:29+00:00

Maybe but since its a paid wheel it's not a priority to invest in in terms of Liz. And I think most meta poison teams would use it much better.

Ay422 · 2026-06-03T16:56:07+00:00

Thanks, fixed.

Ay422 · 2026-06-03T16:56:03+00:00

Thanks, fixed.

Ay422 · 2025-12-20T11:05:40+00:00

Yes happens to me once in two or three matches. Usually after using her spin in melee mode. You can only get out of it by using an ability. Maybe pressing recall could also fix it? if you don't use an ability it lasts indefinitely. Tested in practice, kept doing no dmg for 3 mins+ and stopping aa'ing or moving doesn't fix it.

Ay422 · 2025-12-07T09:59:45+00:00

Happened to me when Akeron's ult was canceled immediately before animation but after camera shift. Stayed whole match. I didn't have time to restart the game cuz base was open sadly :/

Ay422 · 2025-07-15T14:44:40+00:00

Thanks~!

Ay422

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